Advocating a crime is different though isn't it? Just like someone attending a Eugenics conference and advocating genocide. But attending a conference on Paedophilia and discussing ways to stop children being harmed isn't wrong.
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Eugenics is an interesting topic. One that obviously has strong negative connotations because the Nazis and also one could argue Pol Pot used it alongside genocide, which I believe everyone here would condemn. However what if it were used, say, to ensure that children were born without sickle cell or other genetic issues? Would that necessarily be wrong?
I'm writing without very much understanding of the topic at all, so possibly others know much more (or possibly not if reading about it is abhorrent ).
Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis is a different kettle of fish towards attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping.
As horrible as it sounds, the more we cheat death through scientific advances the faster we will ultimately make the planet uninhabitable. Speaking as a scientist that is difficult to admit but it is an unavoidable consequence of our progress in medicine especially.
I agree also,not just emotional history but the future too No one is ever going to vote for death though.Why do you think that? Don't you think that people with cystic fibrosis would prefer to have been born without it? We have to separate the benefits of technology used responsibility from an emotional response to history. Hitler was a vegetarian; should we therefore all eat meat?
I guess you are referring to over-population here? If so, I agree.
Why do you think that? Don't you think that people with cystic fibrosis would prefer to have been born without it? We have to separate the benefits of technology used responsibility from an emotional response to history. Hitler was a vegetarian; should we therefore all eat meat?
I guess you are referring to over-population here? If so, I agree.
Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis is a different kettle of fish towards attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping.
You misunderstood-I would wholeheartedly agree with gene therapy or engineering to eliminate such diseases.
I'll admit, I struggled to reconcile these two statement for many long hours into the night. The meaning of the first sentence seemed clear to me and yet the second appeared to be contradictory. However your assertion that it was my mistake rather than a miscommunication from you drove me on to seek wisdom from the Brighton texts.
Tired and unable to continue, my candle waning, I retired to bed.
As often with these things, the answer came to me in a dream. I had been a fool! The only explanation is that you see "attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping." as a positive thing. I cannot agree with you on that I'm afraid. There is no evidence that Aryans are in any way superior to any other race and more importantly he attempted to do it through genocide - which crosses the line for me.
An absolutely staggering interpretation.I'll admit, I struggled to reconcile these two statement for many long hours into the night. The meaning of the first sentence seemed clear to me and yet the second appeared to be contradictory. However your assertion that it was my mistake rather than a miscommunication from you drove me on to seek wisdom from the Brighton texts.
Tired and unable to continue, my candle waning, I retired to bed.
As often with these things, the answer came to me in a dream. I had been a fool! The only explanation is that you see "attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping." as a positive thing. I cannot agree with you on that I'm afraid. There is no evidence that Aryans are in any way superior to any other race and more importantly he attempted to do it through genocide - which crosses the line for me.
I'll admit, I struggled to reconcile these two statement for many long hours into the night. The meaning of the first sentence seemed clear to me and yet the second appeared to be contradictory. However your assertion that it was my mistake rather than a miscommunication from you drove me on to seek wisdom from the Brighton texts.
Tired and unable to continue, my candle waning, I retired to bed.
As often with these things, the answer came to me in a dream. I had been a fool! The only explanation is that you see "attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping." as a positive thing. I cannot agree with you on that I'm afraid. There is no evidence that Aryans are in any way superior to any other race and more importantly he attempted to do it through genocide - which crosses the line for me.
OK, I'm being disingenuous - but to make a point. I invite you to read the two sentences and present an alternative logical conclusion. Ignore your preconceived assumptions about what he believes and read them as a logic exercise.
Had he written that he had miscommunicated his opinion and clarified what he intended to write it would be fine. But he didn't - the fault apparently is mine for misunderstanding something that he has no need to correct. In the first sentence he says that addressing these issues is a step toward Nazi purification and in the second that he agrees with addressing the issues. Hence he implies that he agrees with taking steps towards Nazi race cleansing.
How you can interpret that from a comment supporting the elimination of hereditary disease by genetic engineering is astonishing.
Sentence one: Genetic engineering to remove diseases is different to full blown Nazi eugenics.
Sentence two: I support genetic engineering to remove hereditary diseases.
Your conclusion: Nazi sympathiser. You're off your rocker.
How you can interpret that from a comment supporting the elimination of hereditary disease by genetic engineering is astonishing.
Sickle cell anaemia serves an odd advantage in some countries since it provides near total immunity towards malaria. Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis is a different kettle of fish towards attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping.
You misunderstood-I would wholeheartedly agree with gene therapy or engineering to eliminate such diseases.
He is saying one of the nazi ideas of an Ayrian race was to be superior which means free of disability and impurities - the very benefits you espouse.
Anyone remember Mr Logic from Viz Comic?For Science grad you're surprising poor at verbal reasoning. Let me help:
Decomposed as: Statement A. Statement B is different to Statement A and Statement B implies a move towards Statement C.
Where Statement A = Sickle cell anaemia serves an odd advantage in some countries since it provides near total immunity towards malaria.
Statement B = Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis
Statement C = attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping.
OK so far?
Then you follow up with
Or, I agree with Statement B (Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis)
It is therefore logical to conclude that given that you approve of Statement B and that Statement B implies a move towards Statement C, you approve of the move to Statement C.
For Science grad you're surprising poor at verbal reasoning. Let me help:
Decomposed as: Statement A. Statement B is different to Statement A and Statement B implies a move towards Statement C.
Where Statement A = Sickle cell anaemia serves an odd advantage in some countries since it provides near total immunity towards malaria.
Statement B = Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis
Statement C = attempting to create a master race as the Nazis were hoping.
OK so far?
Then you follow up with
Or, I agree with Statement B (Genetic engineering to prevent things like Huntington's chorea or cystic fibrosis)
It is therefore logical to conclude that given that you approve of Statement B and that Statement B implies a move towards Statement C, you approve of the move to Statement C.
Anyone remember Mr Logic from Viz Comic?
Anyone remember Mr Logic from Viz Comic?
I think what they are really suggesting is that introduction of what you are saying might be drifting towards opening the field up to 'cleanse' society. Bearing in mind there are still people in the most advanced societies & cultures in our modern world that think things like homosexuality is a disease. Others might argue that the ball on this started rolling with Edward Jenner & smallpox in 1700'sFreedom from death by Huntington's chorea makes me a Nazi?
I think what they are really suggesting is that introduction of what you are saying might be drifting towards opening the field up to 'cleanse' society. Bearing in mind there are still people in the most advanced societies & cultures in our modern world that think things like homosexuality is a disease. Others might argue that the ball on this started rolling with Edward Jenner & smallpox in 1700's
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On a lighter note I have put on a new signature
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please don't encourage him to come over here.
Could you please post it up as It doesn't show on my phone or in this format.On a lighter note I have put on a new signature
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God, it's bad enough as it is, and now you've made a way it can be worse.please don't encourage him to come over here.
I see the pro corbyn brigade vandelized a cafe in London that was a winston churchill themed cafe and called Churchill a racist and a against freedom of liberty.
Corbyns response is nothing. His office has been rung up for comment and there is none.
Deeply Shameful and insulting.
Any one else see this? Please tell me it’s not just me who is utterly horrified and insulted by this.
I see the pro corbyn brigade vandelized a cafe in London that was a winston churchill themed cafe and called Churchill a racist and a against freedom of liberty.
Corbyns response is nothing. His office has been rung up for comment and there is none.
Deeply Shameful and insulting.
Any one else see this? Please tell me it’s not just me who is utterly horrified and insulted by this.
seriously, with everything that's came out today is this all you've got to worry about?
The same Churchill who originally praised Hitler and Mussolini? Sent the army to take care of „Jewish anarchists“ with artillery on to the streets of London? Mocked Ghandi as a half naked fakir? I think the demonstrators are twats, but am aware that Churchill was no angel.
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