Attend IRA funerals when they were murdering the innocent British public.So ALL things considered you tell me what Corbyn did wrong and what did he do that a serving British PM didn’t do?
Tony so you agree with him meeting an organisation that has killed hundreds of this countries innocent victims. You call that refreshing and bollocks and bollocks again if you think he had any hand in the good friday agreement.Corbyns links to communications with the IRA and Sinn Féin are well known. What’s also well known is that communicating with the IRA and Sinn Féin (against the advice of pretty much everyone at the time by the way) by John Major was not only refreshing but also lead to the good Friday peace agreement and has led to decades of children in Ireland growing up in peace for the first time in many many more decades. They refer to themselves as piece children. I’m fortunate enough to see some of my own family in Northern Ireland have this honour.
So ALL things considered you tell me what Corbyn did wrong and what did he do that a serving British PM didn’t do?
As for the rest of what you said it’s just ill informed nonsense.
I don't disagree with you here. I don't trust the Tories. Never have. Just like I don't trust Corbyn.so why have labour and the lib dems forced the government to implement greater control over the financial activities of russian oligarchs in london?
Does that make Corbyn innocent of his past?so why have labour and the lib dems forced the government to implement greater control over the financial activities of russian oligarchs in london?
Tony so you agree with him meeting an organisation that has killed hundreds of this countries innocent victims. You call that refreshing and bollocks and bollocks again if you think he had any hand in the good friday agreement.
That is complete and utter bollocks, if you have proof him talking to them led to the agreement and peace I will apologise but the bloke is a traitor to this country. Luckily most people see right through him. Without brainwashing Young University students last election Labour would have got about as many votes as we have points this season.
I may have just heard it all now.
Bit that doesn't make him innocent of everything else. How many innocent British citizens got murdered by the IRA? How many of those funerals did Corbyn attend?I'm not a massive fan of his but calling him a traitor is ridiculous. Also historically the British have inflicted misery and suffering upon countries across the world, yet this seems to be completely forgotten most of the time.
How many innocent civilians were murdered in Iraq? Which MP consistently voted against the war and would probably be labeled a traitor for doing so now?
How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.Tony so you agree with him meeting an organisation that has killed hundreds of this countries innocent victims. You call that refreshing and bollocks and bollocks again if you think he had any hand in the good friday agreement.
That is complete and utter bollocks, if you have proof him talking to them led to the agreement and peace I will apologise but the bloke is a traitor to this country. Luckily most people see right through him. Without brainwashing Young University students last election Labour would have got about as many votes as we have points this season.
I may have just heard it all now.
Talking to the IRA and going to funerals of their terrorists who killed innocent people including women and children are two totally different things.How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
Talking to the IRA and going to funerals of their terrorists who killed innocent people including women and children are two totally different things.
As an aside, anybody able to get your Great Grandfather's memories down before he died? In a general sense it might be worth getting down what you can while you can?How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
Tony you the one who said he has saved countless lives bringing peace to the province, not me. I have nothing to prove, that's why I asked you to prove your statement . Don't turn the question round just because you can't prove what you said.How do you know he had nothing to do with the good Friday agreement? Maybe not directly but your premise is that he had no influence on Sinn Féin. Do you know what the basis of his meeting with them was? It may surprise you but it wasn’t to sell them Semtex it was to encourage them to talk and negotiate with the British government. What do you think that the good Friday agreement was? It was talking and negotiating with the British government and other political parties and influences from the region (most of which regardless of faith had/have connections to terrorism and terrorist, including the one that the current government has an alliance with in Westminster to be able to hold onto power). Thatcher talked to the same people but under a different doctrine from advisors and security services, John Major talked to them and bravely and rightly ignored the advice of his advisors and security services taking a stance much closer to Corbyns than Thatchers and from that piece was obtained in Northern Ireland in many decades. This isn’t a problem of the the last 30 years. My own great grandfather was kidnapped in the 20’s by the IRA and the only reason he was released was because a childhood friend of his was a member of the IRA and pleaded for his life. My great grandfathers crime, he was A Protestant and B had been a serving member of British army. The home my grandparents lived in and I stayed in as a child was burned to the ground by the IRA after it was set on fire by the IRA and a coded warning was given that there was explosives set in the road meaning that the fire brigade couldn’t attend until the bomb squad had attended. There was no bomb but it had the desired effect of burning the house to the ground. The reason that it was targeted was that after my grandparents had passed it fell into ownership of my Aunt who was a serving RUC officer. I have more stories like that involving my family and extended family including one murder. So forgive me if I don’t except a lecture on the pitfalls and rights and wrongs of talking to Sinn Féin and the from you and astute. Come back to me and tell me something about it when you understand what it was like to see your family live in Northern Ireland in the troubles and spent time in Northern Ireland growing up in the troubles witnessing it first hand as I did and understand how that compares to Northern Ireland now. There was no pitfalls in talking to Sinn Féin and the IRA unless you include piece as a pitfall in which case you’re a moron and you’re opinion should be dismissed out of hand on that basis alone and I make no apologies for that comment and given my connections to that Provence and period of history nor should I.
Yes. As well as paying IRA double agents.I always thoughthought Dan Jarvis would have been a winner. To be fair though, wasn't Thatcher holding secret talks with the IRA?
Morons because we think different to you.Yes. As well as paying IRA double agents.
Ultimately, talking to the IRA was the only route to the peace process. Some of the morons on here seem to think continuing what was essentially a civil war was a better idea
Bit that doesn't make him innocent of everything else. How many innocent British citizens got murdered by the IRA? How many of those funerals did Corbyn attend?
And some morons try to make out that he only spoke to them when it is beyond doubt that he was much more invilved than that.Yes. As well as paying IRA double agents.
Ultimately, talking to the IRA was the only route to the peace process. Some of the morons on here seem to think continuing what was essentially a civil war was a better idea
Does one side make the other side correct?How many innocent Irish civilians were murdered by the British army?
What are you seriously waffling on about now?Does one side make the other side correct?
And how many squaddies involved in the murders are trying to become the British PM?
No, everybody is entitled to their opinion. Morons who think that continuing deaths innocent or otherwise is a price worth paying.Morons because we think different to you.
Great
Does one side make the other side correct?
And how many squaddies involved in the murders are trying to become the British PM?
You don’t even realise that the details of the article is an advert for the need to deal with parties on all sides in seek of peace, as John Major was brave enough to do. I don’t need to be told about the atrocities of the troubles, I was there for lots of it and my family was there for all of it.Jeremy Corbyn's three decades of comfort and aid to the Provisionals - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
So what is your excuse for this Tony?
As an aside, anybody able to get your Great Grandfather's memories down before he died? In a general sense it might be worth getting down what you can while you can?
Social history of the future, this.
Where have I said he saved countless lives? He was talking to the IRA and Sinn Féin about perusing piece a long time before anyone else would and did it against the establishment. As did John Major. An action that led to the good Friday agreement. Not sure what you’re not getting about that.Tony you the one who said he has saved countless lives bringing peace to the province, not me. I have nothing to prove, that's why I asked you to prove your statement . Don't turn the question round just because you can't prove what you said.
Typical Labour , as soon as they are questioned on their politics they start accusing other parties about the same stuff.
I asked you cordially that I would apologise if you have proof he had something to do with bringing peace, and talking to terrorists who killed innocent men women and children really isn't much proof so far.
How many innocent Irish civilians were murdered by the British army?
All I asked Tony if you don't mind dealing with a moron, because he has a different view, that you have no idea what he talked about in those meetings unless you have proof f rom more than one person who was in those meetings.
....where they will be told how to think and vote so everyone agrees with each other.
Grow up. Why do you even think I was talking about you? Chip on your shoulder?Anyway I'm a moron so need to head off to the thick matchday thread .
I hope I'm allowed to give my opinion on the club I support because god knows what I'll be called if I have a differing opinion on a player for example.
Are you saying that we should continue to let them use chemical weapons over here and do nothing about it?
So what was Corbyn when either his spin doctor or himself met the Russians?
Absolutely nothing to even do with being leader of the Labour party. It started well before. The meetings with spies started in the 80's when he was close to the IRA.
There is nothing but doubts about the bloke. Involved with spies. Involved with the Russians. Defending the Russians. Involved with the IRA. Involved with other terrorist movements. And he is the best Labour can find to lead them?
Are you saying that we should continue to let them use chemical weapons over here and do nothing about it?
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