On the cheap (2 Viewers)

italiahorse · Dec 4, 2016

stupot07 said:
I'm defending the club not sisu.

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Great game today then ?

stupot07 · Dec 4, 2016

Skybluesince82 said:
Okay so I have taken out football operations and things like bar manager, chef etc. so trying to compare like for like with back office staff between CCFC and Walsall:
CCFC staff
FINANCE
Finance Controller: Alex Gault
Financial Administrator: Lorraine Sliwowski
Financial Administrator: Gillian Coulson
CLUB SHOP/TICKET OFFICE
Ticketing Assistant: Shelagh Brock
COMMERCIAL
Commercial Director: Adam Brearley - Leaving soon, unsure if being replaced......
Corporate Sales Manager: Tynan Scope
Commercial Administrator: Suzette Johnson
Head of Communications: Laura Hunter
Publications Editor/Graphic Designer: Mark Stokes
Media Executive: Billie Marshall
Head of Marketing: Mark Hornby

CCFC total 11 (soon to be 10)

Walsall
accounts: Michelle Draisey, Liz Withey
Wages Administrator: Debbie Saunders
Receptionist: Diane Williams
Business Development Manager: Dianne Elsworth
Commercial Manager: Wayne Thomas
Conference & Events Department: Vicki Chambers (Conference & Events Manager), Sharna Patel -
Ticket Office Manager: Gemma Park
Supporter Liaison Officer: Daniel Mole
Media Officer: Dale Moon
Programme Editor & Club Journalist: Daniel Briggs
Marketing Officer: Daniel Clarke
Official Photographer: David Linney
Additional Photography: Kevin Grice

Walsall total 15
33% more staff than us, whilst we are a bigger club on the basis of having a 40% higher average gate.

2 of those are conferencing and events which we don't have because we don't run a stadium, and 2 of them are photographers.

Attendance means nothing, you don't need an additional accountant because you have more fans. Let's tall finance, walsalls last account they had a turnover of £6.7m, our last set of accounts showed us to have a turnover of just £4.7m. Perhaps with a turnover 40% higher than ours mean they need 33% more background staff...

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hill83 · Dec 4, 2016

stupot07 said:
I'm defending the club not sisu.

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People aren't attacking the club. Well I'm not. I'm attacking Sisus investment/management of the club which in turn has created a shambles. It is in no way my friends or any of his colleagues fault. And neither am I saying it's a fault of 'the club' whatever that means these days.

stupot07 · Dec 4, 2016

italiahorse said:
Great game today then ?

Are you for real?

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italiahorse · Dec 4, 2016

The club is what Sisu want it to be.
With no interest in the club and running 'breakeven' means we are in a downward spiral.

ccfcway · Dec 4, 2016

italiahorse said:
The club is what Sisu want it to be.
With no interest in the club and running 'breakeven' means we are in a downward spiral.

running breakeven doesn't automatically mean we are in a downward spiral. We are top half of ;league one budget, today spanked by a league 2 club.

Surely we should be running break even ?. Its more about employing the right people, in the right positions and trying to compete. That's the bit we are lacking

Nick · Dec 4, 2016

ccfcway said:
running breakeven doesn't automatically mean we are in a downward spiral. We are top half of ;league one budget, today spanked by a league 2 club.

Surely we should be running break even ?. Its more about employing the right people, in the right positions and trying to compete. That's the bit we are lacking

And the communication to make the best of a break even situation situation.

Skybluesince82 · Dec 4, 2016

stupot07 said:
2 of those are conferencing and events which we don't have because we don't run a stadium, and 2 of them are photographers.

Attendance means nothing, you don't need an additional accountant because you have more fans. Let's tall finance, walsalls last account they had a turnover of £6.7m, our last set of accounts showed us to have a turnover of just £4.7m. Perhaps with a turnover 40% higher than ours mean they need 33% more background staff...

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We do conferencing and events: stuff is starting to take place at BPA, business networking breakfasts to name a couple. IMO it doesn't matter if two of them are photographers, that is all part of a media and communications team. Photography and video is done by the listed communications team at ccfc, which highlights that Walsall have a better back office infrastructure because they have specialists, rather than getting someone to do it as part of a different job. Goes back to the original post and point about stuff being done on the cheap.

hill83 · Dec 4, 2016

Can we at least all agree it's a massive load of shite at the moment?

martcov · Dec 4, 2016

ccfcway said:
running breakeven doesn't automatically mean we are in a downward spiral. We are top half of ;league one budget, today spanked by a league 2 club.

Surely we should be running break even ?. Its more about employing the right people, in the right positions and trying to compete. That's the bit we are lacking

Whilst you are right in principle, do many teams that are operating on a break even basis get promoted- and stay up more than 2 or 3 years? ( serious question as I don't know ).

We were given Yeovil as an example by Tim a couple of years ago. They got up with a budget of 2 million. All gone quiet over there now. Where is Yeovil in the league now?

italiahorse · Dec 4, 2016

ccfcway said:
running breakeven doesn't automatically mean we are in a downward spiral. We are top half of ;league one budget, today spanked by a league 2 club.

Surely we should be running break even ?. Its more about employing the right people, in the right positions and trying to compete. That's the bit we are lacking

Whats the point of owning a club if you don't want to put some money in it ?
Most clubs rely on their owners to waste a little money.
We have poor owners, poor management and now the resultant poor players.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Dec 4, 2016

ConnorDevine said:
From what you've said sounds like it'd be best for all the staff to all quit

Not gonna happen is it when people have families to feed and lives to live.

ccfcway · Dec 4, 2016

martcov said:
Whilst you are right in principle, do many teams that are operating on a break even basis get promoted- and stay up more than 2 or 3 years? ( serious question as I don't know ).

We were given Yeovil as an example by Tim a couple of years ago. They got up with a budget of 2 million. All gone quiet over there now. Where is Yeovil in the league now?

where are Bournemouth, Burton, Swansea et al

No offence to them, but we are a bigger club than Yeovil

Moff · Dec 4, 2016

italiahorse said:
Why do you give them oxygen ?
They don't even try to justify what they are doing to the club yet fans on here try and defend the indefensible.

You mean like you did two days ago, saying you didn't mind SISU staying as long as they signed a long term deal at the Ricoh.

Hypocrite.

letsallsingtogether · Dec 4, 2016

Nick said:
OR he is trying to establish facts?

And now he has got the facts what?
Utter bollocks Nick stay in your cocoon.
Might be alright when you next emerge.

letsallsingtogether · Dec 4, 2016

ccfcway said:
where are Bournemouth, Burton, Swansea et al

No offence to them, but we are a bigger club than Yeovil

We are a bigger club then Bournemouth, Burton and Swansea as well.
Funny but they have all had some of our best players on the cheap.

stupot07 · Dec 4, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
We are a bigger club then Bournemouth, Burton and Swansea as well.
Funny but they have all had some of our best players on the cheap.

Which of our best players have Swansea and Burton had on the cheap? I honestly can't remember selling a player to either club?

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georgehudson · Dec 4, 2016

Toot toot !! Here come the Billy Bullshit Brigade again.
Get fucking real, after 8+ years of being shafted, CCFC real fans have had enough of these parasitical items

Sky Blue Harry H · Dec 4, 2016

So - do we think MV will step down/back up to the boardroom and vacate the manager's post? perhaps TF will run the team (for free) until January, or should that say 'ruin it for free' !

ccfctommy · Dec 4, 2016

From what I see the club haven't even looked for a new manager. Has there even been any interviews etc?

Who makes up the coaching staf for the first team? Venus and Oggy? Micky Mouse.

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 4, 2016

Sky Blue Harry H said:
So - do we think MV will step down/back up to the boardroom and vacate the manager's post? perhaps TF will run the team (for free) until January, or should that say 'ruin it for free' !

No I think he will hang on as long as he can, I can't see a new manager bring brought in before the window closes as they will want to spend some of the money they bring in during the January sales and I can't see that being in the plans.

Terry Gibson's perm · Dec 4, 2016

ccfctommy said:
From what I see the club haven't even looked for a new manager. Has there even been any interviews etc?

Who makes up the coaching staf for the first team? Venus and Oggy? Micky Mouse.

Tudgay coaches the strikers that's going well:banghead:

Grendel · Dec 4, 2016

letsallsingtogether said:
We are a bigger club then Bournemouth, Burton and Swansea as well.
Funny but they have all had some of our best players on the cheap.

Bournmouth paid one loan player £30k a week in the championship as an emergency loan signing. Yeah we are bigger than them,

martcov · Dec 4, 2016

ccfcway said:
where are Bournemouth, Burton, Swansea et al

No offence to them, but we are a bigger club than Yeovil

My question was whether clubs with a break even structure- without equity injection- got promotions. Yeovil was an example. Bournemouth and Swansea probably not.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Dec 4, 2016

Grendel said:
Bournmouth paid one loan player £30k a week in the championship as an emergency loan signing. Yeah we are bigger than them,

Wonderful how you always quote figures from other teams when you want to deflect attention from SISU.
It's almost as if you're on a crusade,

italiahorse · Dec 4, 2016

Moff said:
You mean like you did two days ago, saying you didn't mind SISU staying as long as they signed a long term deal at the Ricoh.

Hypocrite.

Never even thought of Sisu when I said that. It was all about what was best for the clubs survival.
More chance of someone taking over once we are settled with a long term deal.
Never said I didn't mind Sisu. Again you have missed my point.

robbiekeane · Dec 4, 2016

Yeh great idea. it's really tight financially which is having some negative effect on the club....so let's reduce revenues to the club

trondegilsoltvedt97 · Dec 4, 2016

Evo1883 said:
Oh and the club have still not sent my daughter her JSB welcome pack , and the bloke next to me at the Ricoh hasn't got his yet either for his kid , it's only December , it will still come right ??lol shambles

Mine didn't turn up (well not mine but you know what I mean) and I contacted jsb@ccfc.co.uk and they sorted it out for me. Hope it helps!

trondegilsoltvedt97 · Dec 4, 2016

It's really worrying. Less staff, more work is not good at all for them or us who want to see the club improve on and off the field.
I've always found the day to day staff hard working and decent guys, so I wish them the best, it must be tough day to day with the negativity towards the owners - especially if they're fans too.

Irish Sky Blue · Dec 4, 2016

stupot07 said:
Can you give us a list of the non league teams who have bigger staffing size and cost, than us?

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I would bet that the infrastructure at Forest Green, Tranmere and Wrexham is all on a more professional level than ours which is sort of the point he was making. Do you disagree with the central point of his post?

Irish Sky Blue · Dec 4, 2016

ccfcway said:
running breakeven doesn't automatically mean we are in a downward spiral. We are top half of ;league one budget, today spanked by a league 2 club.

Surely we should be running break even ?. Its more about employing the right people, in the right positions and trying to compete. That's the bit we are lacking

What about actually trying to increase turnover so that the break even figure is higher. How about starting that that process by not alienating the fan base, by actual genuine engagement with them rather than continual lies and misinformation. The problem with Sisu's model is that the break even figure will decrease season on season due to their incompetence and mismanagement.

dongonzalos · Dec 4, 2016

stupot07 said:
Our staffing

http://www.ccfc.co.uk/club/boardroom/index.aspx

Doesn't look any smaller than walsalls

http://www.saddlers.co.uk/club/whos_who/

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Oh Stu, not everything is fans dramatising you know

skybluetony176 · Dec 5, 2016

martcov said:
My question was whether clubs with a break even structure- without equity injection- got promotions. Yeovil was an example. Bournemouth and Swansea probably not.

We are a bigger club than them. They have owners willing to put money in so they spiral up whereas we have owners who aren't so we're spiralling down. That's the difference.

italiahorse · Dec 5, 2016

skybluetony176 said:
We are a bigger club than them. They have owners willing to put money in so they spiral up whereas we have owners who aren't so we're spiralling down. That's the difference.

Spot on

Moff · Dec 5, 2016

italiahorse said:
Never even thought of Sisu when I said that. It was all about what was best for the clubs survival.
More chance of someone taking over once we are settled with a long term deal.
Never said I didn't mind Sisu. Again you have missed my point.

I didn't miss your point. I asked for clarification that you were happy for us to sign a long term deal at the Ricoh and this is what you replied,

italiahorse said:
There is another option (preferred) and that relies on Sisu coming to the party and doing a long term deal with Wasps for the benefit of both parties.

Seems to me you were advocating SISU stay and sign a long term Ricoh deal. I think you said you wanted what best benefits SISU

Perhaps we will have yet another opinion tomorrow.

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