One for the Conspiracy Theorists. (1 Viewer)

[Samo]

Westwood left on a free (not sold - he left of his own accord - he should have been sold before then imo)

King left on a free (he wanted to go to Birmingham and reneged on a new deal)

Gunnarsson left on a free (he wanted to go to Cardiff and his contract was up)

I'm still waiting for evidence of the great sell off. I personally find it more galling that so many players were allowed to run down their contracts before leaving.[/QUOTE]

Apart from Bell of course. Yeh, they know what they're doin these SISU business people.

 

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[williesdonkeykick]

Dropped bloody lucky with McGoldrick IMO

I think you could be right, I was a big Robbins fan, but he lost his last two games with us without McGoldrick and without scoring. Who knows what would have happened after McGoldrick went to Ipswich? How would he have got on having Leon injured for the end of the season? To say we would have done well or slipped back a little will always be conjecture now.

 

[dancers lance]

They got a reported £750,000 for Ben Turner..........they didn't have a big 'sell off' because in reality they had nothing to sell, however they did the next best thing by not offering contracts and not replacing the players that left with players of similar quality, thus doing away with a very hefty wage bill.

 

[covmark]

There was no great sell off, it's normal that apart from maybe the top three or four clubs the rest are selling clubs, it's just the way it is. Have to agree with Fernando, the biggest mistake was not selling these players before their contracts ran down

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Westwood wanted a extention to his contract but Boothroyd and SISU had no intentions of doing so. Turner was massively undersold(Worth at least £2.5-£3m) The only image SISU had was to cut the wage bill, and nothing more. They thought it was a "Given" for promotion to the Premier league and the land of "Milk and Honey" How wrong were they?

 

[covmark]

Westwood wanted a extention to his contract but Boothroyd and SISU had no intentions of doing so. Turner was massively undersold(Worth at least £2.5-£3m) The only image SISU had was to cut the wage bill, and nothing more. They thought it was a "Given" for promotion to the Premier league and the land of "Milk and Honey" How wrong were they?

oh come on sbk, turner wasn't worth £3m. I do agree sisu banked on premier league promotion and got it badly wrong

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

As Astute rightly pointed out Jukebox sold for £1.3m....Leon Clarke cost...Remind me Fernando, how much?....@covmark If we had sold them all before their contracts ran down, I estimate we would be playing "Blue Square League" if not lower by now!

 

[covmark]

As Astute rightly pointed out Jukebox sold for £1.3m....Leon Clarke cost...Remind me Fernando, how much?....@covmark If we had sold them all before their contracts ran down, I estimate we would be playing "Blue Square League" if not lower by now!

so do you think the right thing to do was to let the contracts run down, these players were always going to go on to bigger and better things, especially Westwood

 

[dancers lance]

Westwood wanted a extention to his contract but Boothroyd and SISU had no intentions of doing so. Turner was massively undersold(Worth at least £2.5-£3m) The only image SISU had was to cut the wage bill, and nothing more. They thought it was a "Given" for promotion to the Premier league and the land of "Milk and Honey" How wrong were they?

I said exactly the same thing in a post just before you, however, In my opinion Sisu would never have wanted a quick return to the PL whilst they only rented the ground, they needed to own the ground before that happened.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@covmark...Come down to Cardiff and ask anyone how much they think Turner was worth when they bought him...How much they think he's now worth now? I'm in amongst Cardiff fans all the time, and believe me, They ALL say they got him for "Buttons" and reckon he's now worth at least £4.5m. Turner was "Head and shoulders above every player on the pitch at Wembley against Pompey. Did you see his goal?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

covmark says...so do you think the right thing to do was to let the contracts run down, these players were always going to go on to bigger and better things, especially Westwood. I say.........The right thing to do, was that SISU started acting like owners of a football club, and started treating their players with respect, and not like in Boothroyds case when asked about Westwood and him asking for a contract extention, saying "I haven't bumped into him on the training ground yet"...A total disgrace on his part. A real manager would have made Westwood's situation a priority. Then again he will only have done what SISU had told him to do....A "YES MAN"

 

[Grendel]

Interesting that sky blue kid believes ray ranson is a liar now that is very interesting......

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@Grenduffy....Ranson didn't want to sell players as well you know. Igwe however having the veto and final word did want to sell players.(Look back on transcripts by Ranson and Hoffman) So don't try twisting my words Mr "Estimated"

 

[lordsummerisle]

@Grenduffy....Ranson didn't want to sell players as well you know. Igwe however having the veto and final word did want to sell players.(Look back on transcripts by Ranson and Hoffman) So don't try twisting my words Mr "Estimated"

Selling players is how Ranson makes his money, and has done for the last 17 years.

Probably why he wanted to close the Academy(with Hoffman and Elliott), as growing your own players takes too long for short-termists like him to make a profit from buying and selling players.

 

[covmark]

I said exactly the same thing in a post just before you, however, In my opinion Sisu would never have wanted a quick return to the PL whilst they only rented the ground, they needed to own the ground before that happened.

totally disagree, what sisu wanted was a promotion to the premier league and then sell on for a quick (and decent) profit

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

Have a little read Grenduffy.....................http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...f-investment-by-the-owners-article716670.html

 

[covmark]

Selling players is how Ranson makes his money, and has done for the last 17 years.

Probably why he wanted to close the Academy(with Hoffman and Elliott), as growing your own players takes too long for short-termists like him to make a profit from buying and selling players.

agreed, and this is partly why I don't understand why these three amigos are still lauded on this forum.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Have a little read Grenduffy.....................http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...f-investment-by-the-owners-article716670.html

Have a read skybluekid:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/mar/02/football-league-cardiff-city-mortgage

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/mar/31/ray-ranson-cardiff-city

Uncle Ray has your favourite thing in the world(after live sopcast footage of Malaga going about his daily business), a Cayman Islands based hedge-fund.

 

[dancers lance]

totally disagree, what sisu wanted was a promotion to the premier league and then sell on for a quick (and decent) profit

So you think they wanted to make a quick few million by selling us a PL club with no assets? It has always been about owning the Ricoh, CCFC was always the pawn in what has turned out to be a very sad game.

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

summerisle...............Can you put up a link where it says Ranson wanted to close academy..thanks.

 

[covmark]

So you think they wanted to make a quick few million by selling us a PL club with no assets? It has always been about owning the Ricoh, CCFC was always the pawn in what has turned out to be a very sad game.

Ok, why didn't they buy out higgs when they were the knights in shining armour, almost everyone lauded them, this was the single biggest mistake they ever made. No chance now

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Ok, why didn't they buy out higgs when they were the knights in shining armour, almost everyone lauded them

Well here's what someone had to say:

It isn’t our priority – the success of the team is. The funds should be spent on the team. It is about getting the product right on the pitch.

 

[rondog1973]

The only thing that beggars belief is your take on this! If Fisher hadn't "Sold everything that wasn't nailed down" We wouldn't imho have been relegated. Conspiracy theories to one side, investment in playing staff would have kept us up....And don't come back with that shit about "Players brought in"...How many of them are still at CCFC???

Quite right, you've attempted sanity questioning to dispel an argument a la grendel ferret, think it's you that needs help. Evidently, SISU appointed Robins, a young man with a growing reputation for being quite highly strung having departed a previous club when he was denied the required resource. Last season, we had on loan a player who hit 19 goals in half a season and yet SISU still wouldn't front the money to secure his services. Couple that with sacking the ground staff making the pitch unplayable and I think the argument for SISU blatantly derailing promotion squares up. Alternately, if they were so short sighted to not to secure Mcgoldricks services, then it demonstrates breathtaking incompetence on their part.

Lying, Conniving or incompetent, in any case SISU OUT.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It could always be that we just didn't have the cash to sign McGoldrick permanently/he wanted to play at a higher level... and we need to get out of the mindset of signing players we can't afford before we have any hope of moving on post-SISU.

As 'showing ambition' by signing players that were unsustainable for the club is exactly what left the club open to venture capitalists looking for a high risk high return effort.

 

[covmark]

Quite right, you've attempted sanity questioning to dispel an argument a la grendel ferret, think it's you that needs help. Evidently, SISU appointed Robins, a young man with a growing reputation for being quite highly strung having departed a previous club when he was denied the required resource. Last season, we had on loan a player who hit 19 goals in half a season and yet SISU still wouldn't front the money to secure his services. Couple that with sacking the ground staff making the pitch unplayable and I think the argument for SISU blatantly derailing promotion squares up. Alternately, if they were so short sighted to not to secure Mcgoldricks services, then it demonstrates breathtaking incompetence on their part.

Lying, Conniving or incompetent, in any case SISU OUT.

Mcgoldrick was a championship player in a league 1 team, he got a better offer from a championship team, end of story. Or do you think we could match Ipswich in terms of wages and league stature, if so you are deluded my friend

 

[rondog1973]

Mcgoldrick was a championship player in a league 1 team, he got a better offer from a championship team, end of story. Or do you think we could match Ipswich in terms of wages and league stature, if so you are deluded my friend!

He was never offered a contract. By then, if SISU had any intention of making a success out of the all important footballing side of the business, they would know that off loading/failing to secure goalscoring players equals failure (Juke & King sold/off loaded in previous seasons). Lower league status = reduced attendances = reduced revenue. This, to SISU's mind gave them justification for withholding rent and ultimately moving the club to Northampton as part of their bankrupt ACL masterplan.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The only reason Juke and King and McGoldrick were here at all was because SISU sanctioned them.

The club has over-extended itself for years, first under Richardson, later Robinson, and then the early years of SISU. It's this that causes the problems, not investing in the infrastructure of the club.

If there's nothing there, how can we possibly expect to keep players? As it is, we replaced McGoldrick with Clarke, so it wasn't like we just left as-is (which tbh given the financial state of the club, we maybe should have done)

If howeve you were genuine about not wanting promotion, why sign either McGoldrick or Clarke at all?!?

Perhaps they deliberately nobbled Clarke to keep him out and nullify our attacking threat...

 

[rondog1973]

The only reason Juke and King and McGoldrick were here at all was because SISU sanctioned them.

The club has over-extended itself for years, first under Richardson, later Robinson, and then the early years of SISU. It's this that causes the problems, not investing in the infrastructure of the club.

If there's nothing there, how can we possibly expect to keep players? As it is, we replaced McGoldrick with Clarke, so it wasn't like we just left as-is (which tbh given the financial state of the club, we maybe should have done)

We got King for sod all. Juke was purchased using a fraction of the funds obtained from the sale of other players. By the way, how many players have been bought and sold for 'undisclosed fees' during SISU's tenure?

 

[covmark]

We got King for sod all. Juke was purchased using a fraction of the funds obtained from the sale of other players. By the way, how many players have been bought and sold for 'undisclosed fees' during SISU's tenure?

the majority of all transfer fees are undisclosed, pointless argument

 

[lordsummerisle]

summerisle...............Can you put up a link where it says Ranson wanted to close academy..thanks.

here you go.got the minutes from a board meeting in March 2008.

They've been posted before but quite a few chose to ignore the bits they didn't like.

http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=23866

 

[rondog1973]

the majority of all transfer fees are undisclosed, pointless argument

...erm, with SISU controlled CCFC yes, not with other clubs...

 

[hill83]

...erm, with SISU controlled CCFC yes, not with other clubs...

This is just in June

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/22747114

Jack Payne [Gillingham - Peterborough] Undisclosed
Sam Morsy [Port Vale - Chesterfield] Undisclosed
Mauro Boselli [Wigan Athletic - Club Leon] Undisclosed
Antonio German [Brentford - Gillingham] Undisclosed
Josh Gillies [Gateshead - Carlisle] Undisclosed
Frank Fielding [Derby County - Bristol City] Undisclosed
Antoni Sarcevic [Chester - Fleetwood] Undisclosed
Danny Williams [Hoffenheim - Reading] Undisclosed
Thierry Audel [Macclesfield - Crewe] Undisclosed
Adam Hammill [Wolves - Huddersfield] Undisclosed
Royston Drenthe [Alania Vladikavkaz - Reading] Undisclosed
Chris O'Grady [Sheffield Wednesday - Barnsley] Undisclosed
Danny Whitehead [Stockport - West Ham] Undisclosed
David Moberg Karlsson [IFK Gothenburg - Sunderland] Undisclosed
Jake Bidwell [Everton - Brentford] Undisclosed
Leandro Bacuna [FC Groningen - Aston Villa] Undisclosed
Amido Balde [Vitoria Guimaraes - Celtic] Undisclosed
Jeffrey Bruma [Chelsea - PSV] Undisclosed
Jores Okore [Nordsjaelland - Aston Villa] Undisclosed
Vadaine Oliver [Lincoln - Crewe] Undisclosed
Peter Gulacsi [Liverpool - Red Bull Salzburg] Undisclosed
Aleksandar Tonev [Lech Poznan - Aston Villa] Undisclosed
Guillermo Varela [Atletico Penarol - Manchester United] Undisclosed
Tony Diagne [Macclesfield - Morecambe] Undisclosed
Adam Chapman [Oxford - Newport County] Undisclosed
Terry Hawkridge [Gainsborough - Scunthorpe] Undisclosed
Luke Waterfall [Gainsborough - Scunthorpe] Undisclosed


Of all transfers in June we are told of the fee in about 20 transfers (quick count)
And the rest are free.

Just saying.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

...erm, with SISU controlled CCFC yes, not with other clubs...

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23761927

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23683195

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23670402

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23617394

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23607526

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23556695

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23533841

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23516455

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23515527

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23496939

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23445987

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23440189

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23435736

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23436248

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23426886

That'll do eh.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

This is just in June

Bah, beaten... but at least I hadn't got to June yet!

 

[hill83]

Bah, beaten... but at least I hadn't got to June yet!

The thing is I'd rather know the price, but let's not pretend it's only the work of Sisu.