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JimmyHillsbeard

JimmyHillsbeard

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Perryccfc said:
He did nothing to address this? He signed players that were experienced to help the younger players. Not great players but players who could handle this league in terms of physicality and because they weren't premier league level players he and they were again slated.

No matter who takes this job and who he signs are fans will still criticise and say it's not good enough.

As far as I can see it, Mowbray tried to sign players this summer that were more than capable of playing week in week out in this league and wasn't backed enough to achieve this. And the fans are so narrow minded they can't recognise this so they blame him and not the owners.

SISU brought us here so the blame lays with them. Not Mowbray or thorn or any other poor prick who picks up the mantle.
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Agree with the OP. Obviously not going to defend the owners but the management team did sign a whole heap of players this summer. Most of whom couldn't possibly play together (and maybe some not at all) in the system they wanted to employ.
 
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shy_tall_knight

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MV our budget has been cut. We had to sell Vince to raise cash to pay loan signing fees. Did TM seriously think that we would be able to land higher quality players on a reduced budget.
 
Esoterica

Esoterica

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Perryccfc said:
He did nothing to address this? He signed players that were experienced to help the younger players. Not great players but players who could handle this league in terms of physicality and because they weren't premier league level players he and they were again slated.

No matter who takes this job and who he signs are fans will still criticise and say it's not good enough.

As far as I can see it, Mowbray tried to sign players this summer that were more than capable of playing week in week out in this league and wasn't backed enough to achieve this. And the fans are so narrow minded they can't recognise this so they blame him and not the owners.

SISU brought us here so the blame lays with them. Not Mowbray or thorn or any other poor prick who picks up the mantle.
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Absolutely staggering levels of irony that you are accusing other people of being moronic and narrow minded yet clearly can't grasp the nuances between being given a shit budget and not adapting to that accordingly. Mowbray spent the summer in the BMW dealership trying to talk himself into a deal when he knew he could barely afford it on his budget. It's SISUs fault he had that shit budget but Mowbray's that he tried to get a BMW instead of making do with a nice Citroen.

- Mowbray knew his budget and yet chased high risk targets
- Released and sold Martin & Vincelot with no adequate replacement and with budget left to spare
- Failed to address the issue around physicality he had highlighted at the end of the season
- Signed 2 wingers in Reid & Jones and changed to a wingerless formation
- Seemingly had no plan B either on the field or in the transfer market
- Left himself trying to piece a squad together long after the season had started because of his high risk transfer strategy

That is all on Mowbray's shoulders, no-one elses. The only thing he did right this season was sign the players he did on longer contracts - unfortunately the only one who is actually playing well is on a 1 year.
 
Esoterica

Esoterica

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shy_tall_knight said:
MV our budget has been cut. We had to sell Vince to raise cash to pay loan signing fees. Did TM seriously think that we would be able to land higher quality players on a reduced budget.
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Why was the Vince cash to pay for loan signings Shy? Not saying it wasn't, just I must have missed that. Vincelot was sold on July 23rd almost a month before most of our loan signings were made.
 
Sky Blue Kid

Sky Blue Kid

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Esoterica said:
Absolutely staggering levels of irony that you are accusing other people of being moronic and narrow minded yet clearly can't grasp the nuances between being given a shit budget and not adapting to that accordingly. Mowbray spent the summer in the BMW dealership trying to talk himself into a deal when he knew he could barely afford it on his budget. It's SISUs fault he had that shit budget but Mowbray's that he tried to get a BMW instead of making do with a nice Citroen.

- Mowbray knew his budget and yet chased high risk targets
- Released and sold Martin & Vincelot with no adequate replacement and with budget left to spare
- Failed to address the issue around physicality he had highlighted at the end of the season
- Signed 2 wingers in Reid & Jones and changed to a wingerless formation
- Seemingly had no plan B either on the field or in the transfer market
- Left himself trying to piece a squad together long after the season had started because of his high risk transfer strategy

That is all on Mowbray's shoulders, no-one elses. The only thing he did right this season was sign the players he did on longer contracts - unfortunately the only one who is actually playing well is on a 1 year.
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Excuse me! stop pinching my analogies. If mine wasn't good enough for SkyBlueZack(Rolls Royce and Mini) why is yours ;)
 
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shy_tall_knight

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Esoterica said:
Why was the Vince cash to pay for loan signings Shy? Not saying it wasn't, just I must have missed that. Vincelot was sold on July 23rd almost a month before most of our loan signings were made.
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I'm sure I heard that in an interview, that he needed the cash because there was even a fee associated with loan signings.

Maybe just maybe TM was pretended to shop for a BMW when he really knew it would never happen but just might boost season ticket sales.
 
Bob Latchford

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SkyblueBri said:
I know we all hate SISU and want them gone, but for the state of the current team the only ones to blame are TM and MV. Our budget was known and yet we let all those players go and the aimed for Championship players. Look at this division and you need big strong players not kids. Sometimes you can be lucky like we were with Armstrong etc, but you can't bank on that but we did, hence. Where we are now, before Jan we need an experienced ,for this division , manager.
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The reason we are where we are is due to Sisu forcing TM and every other manager in their tenure - to sell our better players for inferior players . cutting cloth until there is no cloth left .
 
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SkyBlueZack

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Bob Latchford said:
The reason we are where we are is due to Sisu forcing TM and every other manager in their tenure - to sell our better players for inferior players . cutting cloth until there is no cloth left .
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Forced or is it just the reality of football? So if we don't cut our cloth, to ensure we are sustainable, what do we do? I can't understand why people call for investment when the chances are it will be added to the club debt. The same debt that has saddled us for years. The same debt that meant SISU took over. We have to fund ourselves. We should of been doing it years ago. It's a long time coming, yes it's another mistake made by SISU not doing it upon taking over.
 
Nick

Nick

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robbiekeane said:
Is that genuinely your argument?

People are coming out making bold claims saying that our budget is lower with no evidence at all. When people question that asking for evidence, your response is where is the evidence that it hasn't been reduced?

You should be embarrassed
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you do realise that just randomly throwing statements out gets people wound up and angry.
 
Perryccfc

Perryccfc

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Esoterica said:
Absolutely staggering levels of irony that you are accusing other people of being moronic and narrow minded yet clearly can't grasp the nuances between being given a shit budget and not adapting to that accordingly. Mowbray spent the summer in the BMW dealership trying to talk himself into a deal when he knew he could barely afford it on his budget. It's SISUs fault he had that shit budget but Mowbray's that he tried to get a BMW instead of making do with a nice Citroen.

- Mowbray knew his budget and yet chased high risk targets
- Released and sold Martin & Vincelot with no adequate replacement and with budget left to spare
- Failed to address the issue around physicality he had highlighted at the end of the season
- Signed 2 wingers in Reid & Jones and changed to a wingerless formation
- Seemingly had no plan B either on the field or in the transfer market
- Left himself trying to piece a squad together long after the season had started because of his high risk transfer strategy

That is all on Mowbray's shoulders, no-one elses. The only thing he did right this season was sign the players he did on longer contracts - unfortunately the only one who is actually playing well is on a 1 year.
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And you'd have been happy with a fucking Citroen would you?!!!

Fucking unbelievable
 
covcity4life

covcity4life

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Nick said:
We are in league one, that's how it is. Happy or not about it.
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just like we need tacklers and big headers of ball etc

this is why england doesnt progress in footballing world. dinosaurs like you. bet you think pep guardiola is overated? be honest.

should add i am not denying that stuff works but whats point when you have a manager who wont play that way?
 
Perryccfc

Perryccfc

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SkyBlueZack said:
If the Citroen made us more competitive in the games played so far, yes.
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Oh my life.

Honestly unbelievable. You're literally having a pop a bloke who tried to sign good players. Players that in his opinion would have made our squad competitive at the top end of this division. But you're saying you would rather sign non league or league 2 players. Do you think he had no chance of signing Wilson but just chased him anyway?

If someone offered me a BMW or a "nice" Citroen I know which one i would take.
 
Sky Blue Kid

Sky Blue Kid

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To quote Nick.....


"Just read it.

From reading that, I have a feeling he set his sights too high (like with Wilson) and tried to gamble on getting players above this level.

Also the budget is pretty much the same as last year."

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Now if the budget is "pretty much the same as last year." I would say 60-70% of clubs have "Upped" their budgets. That tells me in comparison ours on the whole has dropped.
 
Nick

Nick

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covcity4life said:
just like we need tacklers and big headers of ball etc

this is why england doesnt progress in footballing world. dinosaurs like you. bet you think pep guardiola is overated? be honest.

should add i am not denying that stuff works but whats point when you have a manager who wont play that way?
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Dinosaurs like me?

You mean people who can see league one and get us get battered for strength.
 
Nick

Nick

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Perryccfc said:
Oh my life.

Honestly unbelievable. You're literally having a pop a bloke who tried to sign good players. Players that in his opinion would have made our squad competitive at the top end of this division. But you're saying you would rather sign non league or league 2 players. Do you think he had no chance of signing Wilson but just chased him anyway?

If someone offered me a BMW or a "nice" Citroen I know which one i would take.
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Yes, but he had no backup plan.

I could try and sign players above the level, that doesn't make me a good manager.
 
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