Grendel
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So fans stay in the hotels and conference facilities do they? It's not about business diversification? The hotel has more rooms than fans attended at Wycombe - are you sure?
Because they didn't have as many fans attending down there.
Because they didn't have as many fans attending down there.
Because there is larger support here, so it's ok when ccfc move somewhere to get more supporters
Greater potential and more support? 80 miles from its historical base?
I'd suggest the reason they came is because CCC bent over with their pants down and practically begged them to take it at a steal because it was anyone but SISU.
That aside, to answer your question - it's simple. The club would make the most of commercial activity when it is in full control of it. A stadium wherever would be under the clubs control and it would benefit directly from whatever the commercial arrangements were... Which is Wasps modus operandi really isn't it.
So fans stay in the hotels and conference facilities do they? It's not about business diversification? The hotel has more rooms than fans attended at Wycombe - are you sure?
Isnt the OP about CCFC income streams not Wasps?
The superstore is relevant though isn't it because it opened when CCFC were in Northampton 35 miles away and you would assume that its turnover counted in any SCMP calculation at that time.
So if there was another venture that was suitably branded by the club or used for club events you would have to assume that turnover would also be included in the calculation. It would seem to me that it is a question of whether OEG trading as CCFC takes ownership/branding of those income streams directly or not
Can't be bothered getting into Wasps talk with you, I'm a ccfc fan.
Your talking in Fisherisms. There are 2 forms of income. Matchday & non matchday.
Matchday income at a new ground is likely to be no significantly better at a new ground.
So the question is about non matchday incomes. Now why would an exhibition hall for instance make more money in Rugby than in Rowleys Green?
Very true OSB. Seems another odd thread, we know full well we need access to 100% matchday revenues as well as other 365 day per annum revenues at some point. But then again when it comes to fans, money in football is just like Monopoly money, to be thrown around with little regard.
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Very true OSB. Seems another odd thread, we know full well we need access to 100% matchday revenues as well as other 365 day per revenues at some point.
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We don't own the current ground remember... So it's difference between us getting it and the current owners getting it.
And as for the smarmy Wasps comment... I'm a CCFC fan too, and unlike you I can see the damage that their presence will have on us long term.
Surely we can't expect these incomes without buying into the facilities that generate them.
The OP is correct that the investment in a stadium to generate the incomes comes with all the overheads of running one.
It may not be the most cost effective way of generating a contributing income and we need to look at other incomes as well as a bigger percentage of incomes we generate for Wasps on matchdays.
Surely we can't expect these incomes without buying into the facilities that generate them.
The OP is correct that the investment in a stadium to generate the incomes comes with all the overheads of running one.
It may not be the most cost effective way of generating a contributing income and we need to look at other incomes as well as a bigger percentage of incomes we generate for Wasps on matchdays.
Never said we should expect access to the incomes, but long term we need access to everything we make on matchday and 365 day income, and that's why there will come a point when we have to move away from the Ricoh.
No point having the debate again, we all know your position on this,
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I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.
I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.
I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.
Name any football club that has managed a top 10 championship position with no 365 day revenue access
Just one
365 day incomes applies to everyone surely ?
We get 365 day incomes from our club shop so surely it's a matter of degree.
Some clubs have very little facilities other than the ground.
Anyway we are not arguing that we don't need them we are discussing how we can maximise our incomes considering we don't own, or have the expense of, our own ground.
But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.
Is there any point getting promoted this season? As was discussed the other night, we would get relegated the following season. We should aim to tread water in league one?
So no reason at all then why they couldn't construct something on the land across the railway line.
I wonder how much of the non match day revenue at your average football ground actually goes into the team and how much goes into maintaining the ground?
Would we actually be better of renting the Ricoh on a match day basis and then building a sky blue themed hotel/superstore/tavern/restaurant/casino/nightclub etc. next-door? It would be a complex that could be used and generate income 24-7 365days a year and wouldn't incorporate the expensive upkeep of a stadium bowl that doesn't operate 24-7 365 days a year.
But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.
London Irish
You still haven't explained how commercial activity in Rugby will make money but commercial activity in Rowleys Green won't.
No we have a chance of finishing 4th or 5th bottom and just hanging on.
Then these owners or new ones could look seriously at getting out.
If the CRFC ground held 14,000 or so there would every argument for ground sharing with them until development was happening or indeed extending that ground.
Mowbray has already acknowledged the Ricoh isn't a long term answer hasn't he?
But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.
London Irish
He said Successfull. How are London Irish successfull?
Nope as already stated i am talking football and top 10 championship foorball as the benchmark.
Where would that be built then?
Top 10 premiership side.
Top 10 premiership side.
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