I would think that the pitch is “the playing area” hence entering “the playing area” (which Palmer entered and ran across without the Referees permission) which doesn’t apply if officials/substitutes run down the same side of the pitch to celebrate-ie they then haven’t entered “the playing area” without the Referees permission.The problem is the section of the rules you’ve shown doesn’t say running the length of the pitch is a lot different, it just says you can’t enter the pitch. It doesn’t seem like it’s something that should be down to discretion.
Agreed, but as has been pointed out players and managers frequently enter the playing part of the pitch during games and aren’t booked. Sometimes even during play!I would think that the pitch is “the playing area” hence entering “the playing area” (which Palmer entered and ran across without the Referees permission) which doesn’t apply if officials/substitutes run down the same side of the pitch to celebrate-ie they then haven’t entered “the playing area” without the Referees permission.
If he hadn't have booked him then the ref would be getting a bollocking from his assessor. We can moan about the laws around it by all means but it's certainly not the ref's fault.
He clearly wasn't thinking it through, but who would in that situation? I am sure so many would have done the exact same thing. Caught up in the moment. And what a moment it was.
Others have said that, but considering what Palmer has been through and the shit he has had to put up with of late, I do think it's wrong to compare. And besides, everyone is different.Josh Eccles and Joel Latibeaudiere?
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He will.Okay, then the referee should get a bollocking for not giving a foul on O'HARE which nearly took his eye out.
Others have said that, but considering what Palmer has been through and the shit he has had to put up with of late, I do think it's wrong to compare. And besides, everyone is different.
That's why I said many would have done the same thing. Not all players, but many would. I wouldn't have blamed anyone, whoever it was.
Obviously meant so much to Palmer and I think that everything he has been through lately may well have had some bearing on things.
Just a sheer release of pure adrenaline and passion.
Do refs actually get a bollcking? I had a mate who officiated up to championship level and I’m sure he told me they get no grief just a report from the assessor and the assessor doesn’t even look back at video evidence. This was a few years back though, may have changed.He will.
The VAR will likely be invited to give his thoughts too as it really should have been a red card. He will argue he only thought it worthy of a yellow but that's incorrect.
How did Semedo escape a red card, and why was West Ham's winner disallowed?
Should Nélson Semedo have been sent off for Wolves? Why did it take so long to disallow West Ham United's "winner" against Aston Villa?www.espn.com
Why would a law that applies to 'a player who leaves the field of play to correct or change equipment' apply in Palmers situation?A player who leaves the field of play to correct or change equipment must:
• have the equipment checked by a match official before being allowed to re-enter
• only re-enter with the referee’s permission (which may be given during play)
A player who enters without permission must be cautioned, and if play is stopped to issue the caution, an indirect free kick is awarded from the position of the ball when play was stopped, unless there was interference, in which case a direct free kick (or penalty kick) is awarded from the position of the interference.
Why would a law that applies to 'a player who leaves the field of play to correct or change equipment' apply in Palmers situation?
But the laws you have posted say you are incorrect? There is nothing in them that says it is any different from the other players who entered the pitch on the same side as the dug outs? So if it is a mandatory sanction then why were the others not booked as well?Lots of people really missing the point here! Palmer sprinted over from one side of the pitch to the other-he got carried away (like we all would have understandably) and it’s alot different from bench personnel/subs etc celebrating on the same side of the pitch,ie by running down the line to celebrate with the team(on the same side of the pitch).
Referee isn’t a fan like most of us with our Sky Blue tinted glasses on and must apply this sanction-it’s mandatory……..
A player who leaves the field of play to correct or change equipment must:
• have the equipment checked by a match official before being allowed to re-enter
• only re-enter with the referee’s permission (which may be given during play)
A player who enters without permission must be cautioned, and if play is stopped to issue the caution, an indirect free kick is awarded from the position of the ball when play was stopped, unless there was interference, in which case a direct free kick (or penalty kick) is awarded from the position of the interference.
But the laws you have posted say you are incorrect? There is nothing in them that says it is any different from the other players who entered the pitch on the same side as the dug outs? So if it is a mandatory sanction then why were the others not booked as well?
He did.He laughed about it on social media and said it was the best yellow card he ever had?
He did.
That doesn't mean he knew it was going to be a yellow at the time/wasn't thinking straight though.
Caught up in the moment. Rushed on in jubilation. Found out then he had a yellow card and thought it worth it and joked about it.
Don't see anything wrong with that personally.
That was one of the most exciting games in recent memory. Wouldn't criticise anyone for going a bit batshit crazy.
Robins acted out of character too.
@Adge will know better than me about further down the pyramid, but certainly at PL level they are assessed after every game & also have an independent panel assessing VAR decisions.Do refs actually get a bollcking? I had a mate who officiated up to championship level and I’m sure he told me they get no grief just a report from the assessor and the assessor doesn’t even look back at video evidence. This was a few years back though, may have changed.
Yes, but a big difference though. Robins' incident was in front of a child. Celebrating in his face.He didn’t realise that the yellow would ban him. He has acknowledged he committed a yellow card offence. Robins has apologised for his reaction
Yes, but a big difference though. Robins' incident was in front of a child. Celebrating in his face.
It's made the back page of papers.
Palmer was celebrating a goal with his teammates. Massive difference.
I can't and won't criticise Palmer for what he did.
And anyway, an awful lots of posters (you included) don't really want him in the team anyway
I also simply do not get the Lati/Eccles argument at all either
It's the same argument of Simms not celebrating enough when he scores compared to other players.
They are all individuals.
Palmer got carried away and I don't blame him one bit.
Most people seem to believe O'Hare is so much better and wanted him from the start in Saturday. So many don't think Palmer is good enough.
Looks now like it will be O'Hare for Man U. Surely that's a good thing isn't it?
No, but I am not in that camp. I haven't asked for leniency on the yellow card.It’s nothing to do with wanting him in the team or not. Would we be happy if an opponent had a yellow rescinded for no reason and allowed him to play? It’s silly.
Read the bit in bold-nothing to do with equipment etc in Palmers case.Why would a law that applies to 'a player who leaves the field of play to correct or change equipment' apply in Palmers situation?
Look, I don’t make the Laws etc-I’m just telling you why the sanction was carried out in this situation. You (and others) are trying to imply that any body (coaches/players etc) who steps 10mm over the touchline on their side of the pitch should be cautioned for “entering the field of play without the Referees permission”. Let’s not be silly and pretend thatBut the laws you have posted say you are incorrect? There is nothing in them that says it is any different from the other players who entered the pitch on the same side as the dug outs? So if it is a mandatory sanction then why were the others not booked as well?
Lots of people really missing the point here! Palmer sprinted over from one side of the pitch to the other-he got carried away (like we all would have understandably) and it’s alot different from bench personnel/subs etc celebrating on the same side of the pitch,ie by running down the line to celebrate with the team(on the same side of the pitch).
Referee isn’t a fan like most of us with our Sky Blue tinted glasses on and must apply this sanction-it’s mandatory……..
A player who leaves the field of play to correct or change equipment must:
• have the equipment checked by a match official before being allowed to re-enter
• only re-enter with the referee’s permission (which may be given during play)
A player who enters without permission must be cautioned, and if play is stopped to issue the caution, an indirect free kick is awarded from the position of the ball when play was stopped, unless there was interference, in which case a direct free kick (or penalty kick) is awarded from the position of the interference.
I like KP, has deserved his starts over COH... but...
He broke a law, got caught, and now the rules are being applied, in no way is it different to Amad.
Most of us break laws, and some of us get caught, and if the rules are applied we have to take our punishment, and we can debate the law, debate the punishment but this nonsense about "one rule for them" and "it's so unfair" and "surely they can waive it for Coventry because we never get there" is just play ground nonsense. It's a harsh lesson, but that's why punishments are there.
You don't make rules but you haven't also explained where in the laws as provided by you there is no difference in jumping 2ft on the pitch and 50ft. No one is talking about 10mm.Look, I don’t make the Laws etc-I’m just telling you why the sanction was carried out in this situation. You (and others) are trying to imply that any body (coaches/players etc) who steps 10mm over the touchline on their side of the pitch should be cautioned for “entering the field of play without the Referees permission”. Let’s not be silly and pretend that
“all we want is a bit of consistency” and by stepping a toe over the line is the same as running across the whole of the pitch to the other side.
Correct. He was a “Player who entered the field of play without the Referees permission” though so was cautioned.He didn’t leave the field to correct or change equipment?
I can't really agree with you on this one. If you're not playing you can't run across the pitch during the match, which is surely obvious from schoolboy level upwards. KP has put himself out of this big game, which is sad for him and bad for the team.He clearly wasn't thinking it through, but who would in that situation? I am sure so many would have done the exact same thing. Caught up in the moment. And what a moment it was.
Happens often after big games though?I can't really agree with you on this one. If you're not playing you can't run across the pitch during the match, which is surely obvious from schoolboy level upwards. KP has put himself out of this big game, which is sad for him and bad for the team.
Can you tell me where if it is a mandatory sanction the laws state it is not a yellow card if they only transgress slightly?Correct. He was a “Player who entered the field of play without the Referees permission” though so was cautioned.
I have, is that not quoted from Law 4 - The Players Equipment?Read the bit in bold-nothing to do with equipment etc in Palmers case.
Laws are provided by IFAB not by me-I’m just quoting the Laws that apply in that situation and you seem to think I have some magic wand to make them fairer-I don’t.You don't make rules but you haven't also explained where in the laws as provided by you there is no difference in jumping 2ft on the pitch and 50ft. No one is talking about 10mm.
You are the one that said it is "mandatory" to sanction anyone who contravened the law as provided by you, are you now saying the referee is allowed a degree of subjectivity?
You have to have the context, Calista.I can't really agree with you on this one. If you're not playing you can't run across the pitch during the match, which is surely obvious from schoolboy level upwards. KP has put himself out of this big game, which is sad for him and bad for the team.
It wasn't after the game?Happens often after big games though?
I think the key word there is “after”.Happens often after big games though?
Ok, once again I have not questioned the laws I have only asked why if you state they result in a mandatory sanction are they not applied to all people who transgress.Laws are provided by IFAB not by me-I’m just quoting the Laws that apply in that situation and you seem to think I have some magic wand to make them fairer-I don’t.
You might not like it/them and always seem to have a problem when I try to explain or interpret them and I’m sorry you don’t agree. It was unfortunately very unfair in Palmers situation on Saturday but the right call was made by the Referee-like it or not according to the Laws of the Game.
Yes that can be an example or Law 3 The players-I have, is that not quoted from Law 4 - The Players Equipment?
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