Nice one, you could have posted that a few pages backAs in "appropriate" would be whether he gets a yellow or a red depending on his actions.
It really is cut & dry unfortunately.
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Nice one, you could have posted that a few pages back
Which rule does it come under? Would have thought law 12 which seems to have things about substitutes but can't spot it there. Admittedly I'm skimming sat in a line of traffic!
Wrong section, that's for Team Officials.
Either way you could hardly say it wasn't "blatant" anyway!
Yep. L12 S3 - Cautionable Offences
No, I think he entered the field of play without the referee's permission.IT was neither disrespectful nor disruptive, nor an attempt to fool the ref or impact the game. The idea that’s what the rule is for is ludicrous. If you read it by the letter you’d have to book ever player who leave the pitch without asking first, you’d also be booking half the squad. Obviously that’s not the rule so clearly there’s discretion. If you think celebrating a last minute winner is disrespectful or impacting the game I don’t know what to say. The rule needs to go.
No, I think he entered the field of play without the referee's permission.
It's as obvious a yellow card as you will ever see which KP himself admits?
I think the point he is making is the law was not really written for situations such as this. I see why it is but it's clearly intended for players seeking to gain an advantage while the game is in play. Also his point about why was not every city sub who entered the pitch booked? This looks like either a mistake by the ref or that he is allowed a degree of subjectivity on who gets cautioned for this offence?No, I think he entered the field of play without the referee's permission.
It's as obvious a yellow card as you will ever see which KP himself admits?
It's impossible for the ref to win...
We want them to be consistent & apply the laws of the game to the letter yet also simultaneously being empathetic, apply common sense or just plain ignore them when it suits.
Yes, other players began to run on the pitch, by rights he could book them all, but he also has to think about managing the game & the situation. The ref glared at them & they thought better of it & retreated. Palmer did not. Unless we're saying we want Dasilva banned too I'm not sure what we're campaigning for here?
I think the ref handled the situation perfectly, understood the emotion & gravitas of the situation & cut them a little leeway & I'm sure his assessor will cut him some slack for that too.
A substituted player sprinting the entire width of the pitch for a knee slide in front of the fans is very different though & had he not booked him he'd be getting at least a stern word himself from the assessor.
I would have done the exact same if I was refereeing tbh.
Is it too late for us to appeal to the FA on this one?Unless we're saying we want Dasilva banned too
So by that logic the ref doesn't have to automatically book anyone as he has the ability to be subjective. Thanks for confirming.It's impossible for the ref to win...
We want them to be consistent & apply the laws of the game to the letter yet also simultaneously being empathetic, apply common sense or just plain ignore them when it suits.
Yes, other players began to run on the pitch, by rights he could book them all, but he also has to think about managing the game & the situation. The ref glared at them & they thought better of it & retreated. Palmer did not. Unless we're saying we want Dasilva banned too I'm not sure what we're campaigning for here?
I think the ref handled the situation perfectly, understood the emotion & gravitas of the situation & cut them a little leeway & I'm sure his assessor will cut him some slack for that too.
A substituted player sprinting the entire width of the pitch for a knee slide in front of the fans is very different though & had he not booked him he'd be getting at least a stern word himself from the assessor.
I would have done the exact same if I was refereeing tbh.
In your opinion as a biased Coventry fan. If I was neutral I would say it was a very good judgment & I'm certain the FA & PGMOL would say the same.Yes consistent. Book everyone who enters/leaves the pitch without permission, or admit it’s a judgement call and this was a poor one.
That's a different argument & one which I can get behind. Also, the fact that accumulated yellows are competition specific but red cards are not is stupid too as is not taking into account replays in the accumulation count but again, not the refs doing.Genuinely can’t believe people are defending booking players for celebrations. Palmers yellow was a joke. Diallos was too. It all needs to go. Completely antithetical to the spirit of the game.
nonsenseIf the rule wasn't there (or wasn't enforced for blatant acts like KP's) you'd be giving carte blanche for the whole bench to run on and join in with on-field celebrations, which would be chaos.
He was crazy to do what he did, and it's so disappointing because he could have been a weapon for us at Wembley, and the squad is stretched.
Hopefully COH will see it as a golden opportunity to showcase what he can do.
In your opinion as a biased Coventry fan. If I was neutral I would say it was a very good judgment & I'm certain the FA & PGMOL would say the same.
That's a different argument & one which I can get behind. Also, the fact that accumulated yellows are competition specific but red cards are not is stupid too as is not taking into account replays in the accumulation count but again, not the refs doing.
Wan-Bissaka is in the celebration huddle for the Diallo goal and wasn't booked.It’s the same argument. I’m not a Man Itd fan but think it’s a disgrace Diallo is suspended. Ever since this ludicrous rule around shirts came in people have been defending it as “you know the rule”, but not actually defending the rule.
Referees very clearly do not book every player who enters the pitch, not ever sub who celebrates with his team. This thread seems to have invented the new offence of “running too far and doing a knee slide” to back up the ref’s decision. It’s a poor law and one he could easily have ignored as refs do every single game.
I agree he could (and maybe should) have ignored it in this instance, but you can't say it's a poor law! The ref has to have control over who is allowed on the pitch, and be able to apply sanctions.This thread seems to have invented the new offence of “running too far and doing a knee slide” to back up the ref’s decision. It’s a poor law and one he could easily have ignored as refs do every single game.
Which bit, or all of it?nonsense
Yeah, the only person to blame is Kasey Palmer. The yellow card isn't going to be rescinded regardless of how we feel about it. The rule is clear, no other player or backroom staff did it. Yes occasionally subs do infringe the pitch but it's usually because they celebrating in front of them, so the infringement is minor. I can't ever remember seeing someone running 60-70 yards across the pitch to celebrate.I agree he could (and maybe should) have ignored it in this instance, but you can't say it's a poor law! The ref has to have control over who is allowed on the pitch, and be able to apply sanctions.
I agree he could (and maybe should) have ignored it in this instance, but you can't say it's a poor law! The ref has to have control over who is allowed on the pitch, and be able to apply sanctions.
That seems a very biased view there, stupot and coming from a place where you already don't really rate the player.Yeah, the only person to blame is Kasey Palmer. The yellow card isn't going to be rescinded regardless of how we feel about it. The rule is clear, no other player or backroom staff did it. Yes occasionally subs do infringe the pitch but it's usually because they celebrating in front of them, so the infringement is minor. I can't ever remember seeing someone running 60-70 yards across the pitch to celebrate, and then nonchalantly walking back over the pitch to get back to the dug out.
If this had been a wolves player no one on here would have an issues.if that had been an opposition player at the CSB we would be giving them pelters.
I agree that taking your shirt off shouldn't be a yellow.
It's the law even if the law is an ass.
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That isn't what the rule is there for. Basically it's a law that seems to be written with a view to stopping subs and subbed players from interfering with play and not to police celebrations.Wild celebrations are brilliant, the game would be pointless without them. But I really can't see what's wrong with the 11 players going crazy on the pitch, and everyone else going crazy off the pitch?
The rule is there for good reason, and contrary to the claim that it's binary, clearly refs can (and do) turn a blind eye to minor infringements. So we are only arguing about whether KP was asking for it, and in my view he was. He basically even said he was!
Thanks for that mate, just having a readWrong section, that's for Team Officials.
Either way you could hardly say it wasn't "blatant" anyway!
Yep. L12 S3 - Cautionable Offences
Does he walk nonchalantly back across the pitch. Looking at the video in Frosties post #253 above, it looks like Palmer walking back behind the goal and around the perimeter of the pitch. Albeit at long distance.Yeah, the only person to blame is Kasey Palmer. The yellow card isn't going to be rescinded regardless of how we feel about it. The rule is clear, no other player or backroom staff did it. Yes occasionally subs do infringe the pitch but it's usually because they celebrating in front of them, so the infringement is minor. I can't ever remember seeing someone running 60-70 yards across the pitch to celebrate, and then nonchalantly walking back over the pitch to get back to the dug out.
If this had been a wolves player no one on here would have an issues.if that had been an opposition player at the CSB we would be giving them pelters.
I agree that taking your shirt off shouldn't be a yellow.
It's the law even if the law is an ass.
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Sorry Otis, if it had been Pirlo (aka Sheaf) I would also say it was his fault. It's nothing to do with how much I do and don't rate a player. It's not biased it's fact.That seems a very biased view there, stupot and coming from a place where you already don't really rate the player.
How many games have you seen with a finish like that, in a game as big as that?
And why have to mention "nonchalantly?" Was he booked for walking back nonchalantly?
I don't blame him at all. Just a player caught up in a most fantastic moment.
To be fair, I can't remember, I'm going by what someone else has said earlier in the thread.Does he work nonchalantly back across the pitch. Looking at the video in Frosties post #253 above, it looks like Palmer walking back behind the goal and around the perimeter of the pitch. Albeit at long distance.
I thought you might be.To be fair, I can't remember, I'm going by what someone else has said earlier in the thread.
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This was the postI also wondered this. Don’t quote me but from memory pretty sure KP trotted back across the pitch to get back to the bench as well.
Just goes to show you cant rely on anything said on here.This was the post
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Fine, but as I said, just because other players didn't run on, doesn't make it wrong for Palmer to run on (given the sensational moment that had just taken place)Sorry Otis, if it had been Pirlo (aka Sheaf) I would also say it was his fault. It's nothing to do with how much I do and don't rate a player. It's not biased it's fact.
You could that about any intensly emotional situation good or bad. Non of the other players or staff did it, they showed self control in an emotional situation, Palmer decided to run 60 yards across the pitch and knee slide.
I'll take back the nonchalantly bit.
You don't blame him, that's fine. I do, that's fine.
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