It is totally off the wall logic, why the fuck would 'they' want to track everyone? Never understood that mindset.
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Look, shmee seems to think I'm not taking covud seriously, I am, its a killer. People might think I'm sat here in a tin foil hat denying it all saying its a conspiracy, im not! I get it, covid kills people. Of that im certain. What I'm saying though, is MY personal situation states that im more lively to be affected by the flu, therefore have taken the appropriate actions to help prevent that.
With respect, a complete stranger dying from covid is of far less importance to me than my children dying of the flu. And as my children are far more susceptible to the flu, that is my concern. Yes, I still take action to not contract coronavirus and will do until told otherwise. But I wont be rushing out for a vaccine until there is proof of no side effects or aftermath.
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I'm not against having the vaccine, but I am not in a rush to get it either. I would only really be doing it to protect others, as I travel around quite a bit.
If I was told I could go on holiday, to bars, or to the football if I had it, then I would do it without delay. Sick of this shit at the moment.
I like the idea of big tech absolutely wasting their bandwidth tracking me. 'Fuck me, crisps again?'
Pringles or Walkers?
Walkers generally, Pringles if I'm feeling fancy. Also got a thing for cheese Bugles at the moment, a proper stinker
That's one way lockdown's been good for me, teaching me a small amount of food self-discipline.If I start a Pringles tin I’ll end up finishing it so haven’t bought one in ages actually
I'm not against having the vaccine, but I am not in a rush to get it either. I would only really be doing it to protect others, as I travel around quite a bit.
If I was told I could go on holiday, to bars, or to the football if I had it, then I would do it without delay. Sick of this shit at the moment.
The same department that told us phalidamide was safe, is now telling us the covid vaccine is safe.
If that's not cause for caution, I dont know what is. I'm not against having it, and I may have to if I want to go abroad again, but I'm sure not going to be in the first wave of guinea pigs queuing up for it.
I have an aging family member who's had a liver transplant who obviously wants it asap, and I totally get that, as she's very vulnerable, so I'll just not visit her for a while.
And if those who dont want it yet have to use a mask for the foreseeable then so be it.
tbf, I get the worry about things being rushed through at the present time. It's why I get more reassured, rather than less, when they say things are a fair way away yet, and also when trials are paused - it shows there is still the rigour there, it's just all a bit turbocharged.Not quite the same it was decades ago.Thalidomide converts itself into the ‘bad’ version of itself only once in the body, the mechanism of which couldn’t have been foreseen at the time. Standards and technology have changed vastly since then.
This isn’t a drug or even live or dead virus. It’s just a piece of viral RNA.
That might well be true, and I'm not clever enough to even try and understand the theory behind the vaccine, all I know is, I wont be among the first to have it, even when it's made available to my demographic.Not quite the same it was decades ago.Thalidomide converts itself into the ‘bad’ version of itself only once in the body, the mechanism of which couldn’t have been foreseen at the time. Standards and technology have changed vastly since then.
This isn’t a drug or even live or dead virus. It’s just a piece of viral RNA.
tbf, I get the worry about things being rushed through at the present time. It's why I get more reassured, rather than less, when they say things are a fair way away yet, and also when trials are paused - it shows there is still the rigour there, it's just all a bit turbocharged.
That might well be true, and I'm not clever enough to even try and understand the theory behind the vaccine, all I know is, I wont be among the first to have it, even when it's made available to my demographic.
I have a feeling that we may be put on an international register of some sort once we've had it, to allow free movement around the world, like a vaccine Visa of some sort.
I'm not sure how I'd feel about that to be honest, I can see good and bad arguments arising.
If they give you a gazebo at least you'll be covered!To lighten the mood, my wife arrived home this lunchtime laughing, saying that 2 neighbours were in the street and one had just said to the other 'I'm not sure this vaccine will work, and anyway you might get given a gazebo' (promise that's true - better still, she's retired from the NHS, albeit admin!)
They arnt mad, just wary of having an unproven vaccine injected into them, its totally understandable, especially if they are young fit and healthy not in any at risk group and yet to procreate. Everyone is frustrated with the current restrictions, but no vaccine has ever come out with a 100% guarantee that its risk free.I'm 68 next birthday. I've got a dicky ticker (4 previous heart attacks), type 2 diabetes and severe arthritis (awaiting full knee replacement) so yes, I'd have the vaccine at the drop of a hat. Hopefully, I'll be one of the first (age and health reasons). I just want this shitty way of life we've had to endure all this year, to end as soon as possible. I just don't get why some people don't want it. Are they mad?? Let's just get back to normality!
If they give you a gazebo at least you'll be covered!
I will wait patiently in line until they get down to my category (55-60, no known underlying health problems - touch wood), then i will willingly have it.
I simply do not understand the conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and other collective frothers who believe this is all set up to track them, control them, make them reliant on the state, kill them, send them loopy (too late for that for them), etc.
I suggested that following Prof Karol Sikora on Twitter was a good idea a couple of months back, but now he seems to be followed by the biggest bunch of extremist weirdoes in Christendom (and beyond)!
As for the vaccine, it will be safe. I used to work in drug and vaccine development, including clinical trials for novel classes of drugs for devastating but rare genetic conditions, as well as HIV, and the approval process is MAD!
(This bit is a response to @Brighton Sky Blue) As for this vaccine, i would sooner wait for the Oxford/AstraZeneca one, simply because i think it will be more effective (bit of a gut instinct). Adenovirus pseudotyped with SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein will stick around rather longer and in a more predictable way than a small fragment of Spike mRNA, which will (a) be a bastard to get into the recipients' cells in any efficient way, and (b) fall apart pretty quickly once it gets in there. I'd rather not have the transfection reagent injected into me either, but that's a minor point.
The storage at -80C is going to be a problem for worldwide distribution, but i don't know how stable the Adeno-Spike is at ambient. We were looking at freeze-drying Adenovirus vaccines for HIV about 15 years ago, so that they could be stored for ages anywhere in the world, but it was a bit pie in the sky and never advanced. I haven't followed that field to know if it has been done since.
A question for the science bods - would this be classed as a ‘live’ vaccine? The reason I ask is that I might have mentioned my daughter is on immuno-suppressants and when we enquired about a flu vaccination for this winter, we were told she couldn’t have the ‘live’ version of it (the nasal spray) so would have to have a jab instead.I will wait patiently in line until they get down to my category (55-60, no known underlying health problems - touch wood), then i will willingly have it.
I simply do not understand the conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and other collective frothers who believe this is all set up to track them, control them, make them reliant on the state, kill them, send them loopy (too late for that for them), etc.
I suggested that following Prof Karol Sikora on Twitter was a good idea a couple of months back, but now he seems to be followed by the biggest bunch of extremist weirdoes in Christendom (and beyond)!
As for the vaccine, it will be safe. I used to work in drug and vaccine development, including clinical trials for novel classes of drugs for devastating but rare genetic conditions, as well as HIV, and the approval process is MAD!
(This bit is a response to @Brighton Sky Blue) As for this vaccine, i would sooner wait for the Oxford/AstraZeneca one, simply because i think it will be more effective (bit of a gut instinct). Adenovirus pseudotyped with SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein will stick around rather longer and in a more predictable way than a small fragment of Spike mRNA, which will (a) be a bastard to get into the recipients' cells in any efficient way, and (b) fall apart pretty quickly once it gets in there. I'd rather not have the transfection reagent injected into me either, but that's a minor point.
The storage at -80C is going to be a problem for worldwide distribution, but i don't know how stable the Adeno-Spike is at ambient. We were looking at freeze-drying Adenovirus vaccines for HIV about 15 years ago, so that they could be stored for ages anywhere in the world, but it was a bit pie in the sky and never advanced. I haven't followed that field to know if it has been done since.
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