rob9872
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Not quite what I meant, but I suspect you're right
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Liquid Gold
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Bollocks. That's the way we play and if you're successful you're taking 4 men out of the game either creating a chance or tiring their legs. There's a reason why we've scored so many late goals. It's not even like he's not gone long on occasion or this hasn't been successful for us almost every time we've done it.
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covcity4life
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it clearly works
mistakes are gonna happen. yesterdays imo was a dumb decision by marosi and bad control by walsh. sometimes a clearence is required
but that doesnt mean you throw the baby out with the bathwater. "pep" haters tend to have no clue about the sport and should stay quiet. this works and we need to keep working at it to perfect it
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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WIth the Marosi thing, if that'd been Burge would people be having the 'Walsh was at fault' argument or just pinning the entire thing on the keeper because it's Burge. You have to accept it is inevitable that playing that way it will at some point cost you the odd goal when it goes wrong, but if it gets you more than it loses it's not a problem.
The one thing that maybe it could be improved on is mixing it up every so often - if we try to play it out every single time opposition managers know they can press high because we play out. Having the technical ability to do is very impressive (esp at this level), but it also needs to be supplemented by a knowledge of when a team has been suckered into the high line and when that has created space behind to be exploited with a more direct ball. Keeps the opposition guessing and more reluctant to do the high press every time along us to keep to plan A.
The one thing that maybe it could be improved on is mixing it up every so often - if we try to play it out every single time opposition managers know they can press high because we play out. Having the technical ability to do is very impressive (esp at this level), but it also needs to be supplemented by a knowledge of when a team has been suckered into the high line and when that has created space behind to be exploited with a more direct ball. Keeps the opposition guessing and more reluctant to do the high press every time along us to keep to plan A.
Skybluefaz
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Been to any of the games? The trouble is, if you are only watching highlights you may only see when it doesn’t work.
Skybluefaz
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He was doing that yesterday. Went long to Jobello/Godden quite often. Walsh was at fault because he failed to control a ball, not because of who kicked it. Let's not be silly either, Burge could never play that system.
SBAndy
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Exactly. Look at England’s first goal against Spain in their 3-2 win last year. Spain pressed high, Pickford sent a long pass up to Kane and we were 3 on 3.
Liquid Gold
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He went long several times!! what are you lot watching?
Skybluefaz
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They aren't watching are they.
Liquid Gold
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Looking up in the air trying to remember how to pronounce 'forward'
OffenhamSkyBlue
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Yes, that is true, as the highlights at that end of the pitch will generally only result in at least an attempt on goal.
But since game one, i have noticed (by being at some of the games) the number of inaccurate passes in and around the box by Mason, McFadz and Rose (in particular).
fernandopartridge
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The thing is if we're pressed high teams leave gaps for players like O'Hare to exploit so it isn't as if we're finished
Nick
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A couple of long balls direct to the players feet as well. One to Hiwula was pretty much near their box.
rob9872
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Absolutely agree and I certainly don't have the answers to our perceived short comings. I like that we have the confidence to knock it about, but we nearly got caught on more than one occasion and thankfully didn't result in more goals. Ideally I'd just like to mix it up a little as we certainly don't want to become predictable as we can just as quickly fall away like a Mowbray team.
shmmeee
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The whole point is teams see what we are doing and stretch themselves or leave gaps. There’ll be mistakes cos we are a L1 side playing Championship football, but that’s OK IMO.
rob9872
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It will force mistakes and I agree - but can we afford to do it against the better opposition? They wont all miss the chances that Wimbledon did last night.
DannyThomas_1981
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I think this was mentioned by someone else; we had 69% possession last night. Manchester City type stats.
I've never seen us play so much possession before mainly because of set up (generally we've been 4-4-2 since I started watching in the early 80s) and we also haven't had the players with the technical skills to play possession. Or even enough patience in the crowd - FORWARD/SHOOT!!
Is 69% some kind of league record for us? Anyway it's a very refreshing change; I well remember the Don Mackay days of full backs launching it 90 yards to 'get it into the mixer.' Hoof ball was all the rage in that era and it certainly wasn't pretty.
I've never seen us play so much possession before mainly because of set up (generally we've been 4-4-2 since I started watching in the early 80s) and we also haven't had the players with the technical skills to play possession. Or even enough patience in the crowd - FORWARD/SHOOT!!
Is 69% some kind of league record for us? Anyway it's a very refreshing change; I well remember the Don Mackay days of full backs launching it 90 yards to 'get it into the mixer.' Hoof ball was all the rage in that era and it certainly wasn't pretty.
DannyThomas_1981
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I wasn't there last night - watched on I-Follow. It seemed from afar that the crowd was more positive and stayed with the team even after we got off to a poor start. With the Ricoh it could go the other way - crowd becomes agitated after a poor start/negatively impacts the team.
Is this a case of the our 'home crowd' being more like a hard core 'away crowd'? Or just something that I'm imagining through the tv coverage?
Is this a case of the our 'home crowd' being more like a hard core 'away crowd'? Or just something that I'm imagining through the tv coverage?
covcity4life
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As alwaya if marosi makes terrible mistakes as much as burge he will get same trestment. So far 2 mistakes in 9 games? And we got 4pts from those games
Exactly, he can go long and does go long. He should have gone long for the goal, the pass to Walsh was not on, and it certainly wasn't on with a bouncing ball.
I'm all for playing out from the back but his decision making needs to be a little better.
Johhny Blue
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Suck ‘em in for 75 minutes then HOOOOF when they least expect it
Esoterica
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Possession stats are bullshit these days. It's literally just the number of passes we made divided by the total number of passes. So because Wimbledon didn't make many, we were massively on top. There's no chess clock any more, sadly.