Rainbow Captain's Armband (15 Viewers)

skybluecam · 2024-12-03T13:44:38+0000

FA to remind Marc Guehi & Crystal Palace about religious messaging

The Football Association is to remind Crystal Palace captain Marc Guehi and the Selhurst Park club that religious messaging on their kit is banned.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ipswich Town captain Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband during Saturday's Premier League loss at Nottingham Forest, which his club has said was because of his "religious beliefs".

England defender Guehi's rainbow captain's armband for Palace's draw against Newcastle United on Saturday had the message 'I love Jesus' written on it.

Sky Blue Pete · 2024-12-03T13:57:42+0000

skybluecam said:
FA to remind Marc Guehi & Crystal Palace about religious messaging

The Football Association is to remind Crystal Palace captain Marc Guehi and the Selhurst Park club that religious messaging on their kit is banned.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ipswich Town captain Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband during Saturday's Premier League loss at Nottingham Forest, which his club has said was because of his "religious beliefs".

England defender Guehi's rainbow captain's armband for Palace's draw against Newcastle United on Saturday had the message 'I love Jesus' written on it.

Ooooo controversy

SBT · 2024-12-03T14:00:50+0000

Struggling to see the controversy here, think we’ll be lucky to get onto two pages with this one unless someone decides to steam in.

Como · 2024-12-03T15:16:05+0000

Como · 2024-12-03T15:35:40+0000

This seems contra logical?

Grendel · 2024-12-03T15:38:43+0000

Sky Blue Pete said:
Ooooo controversy

He is probably a Morrisey fan

MusicDating · 2024-12-03T15:55:44+0000

SBT said:
Struggling to see the controversy here, think we’ll be lucky to get onto two pages with this one unless someone decides to steam in.

Indeed. I assume Guehi is just angling for a move to Arsenal.

Nick · 2024-12-03T15:57:54+0000

Ironic because his name is literally gay

ccfctommy · 2024-12-03T16:01:01+0000

He should have written 'I am Jesus'. That would have been more interesting.

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T16:57:49+0000

All nonsense. Wouldn’t happen if players weren’t so pressured into all this stuff.

SBT · 2024-12-03T17:19:08+0000

Tommo1993 said:
All nonsense. Wouldn’t happen if players weren’t so pressured into all this stuff.

Given that the team captain has declined to take part, and has done so with the club's backing, it doesn't seem like the pressure is all that great.

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T17:25:26+0000

SBT said:
Given that the team captain has declined to take part, and has done so with the club's backing, it doesn't seem like the pressure is all that great.

I mean upon clubs. It’s entertainment, why is it delving so much into politics?

skybluecam · 2024-12-03T17:31:25+0000

Tommo1993 said:
I mean upon clubs. It’s entertainment, why is it delving so much into politics?

How is it political to support inclusiveness in sport?

SBT · 2024-12-03T17:31:39+0000

Tommo1993 said:
I mean upon clubs. It’s entertainment, why is it delving so much into politics?

What's the politics?

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T17:44:12+0000

skybluecam said:
How is it political to support inclusiveness in sport?

Would you say standard armbands, corner flags, laces, etc was making the sport exclusive?

skybluecam · 2024-12-03T18:09:56+0000

Tommo1993 said:
Would you say standard armbands, corner flags, laces, etc was making the sport exclusive?

Nah but I'd say players refusing to support inclusive initiatives does

skybluetony176 · 2024-12-03T18:11:06+0000

Tommo1993 said:
I mean upon clubs. It’s entertainment, why is it delving so much into politics?

Do you think wearing poppies is an issue?

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T18:30:18+0000

skybluetony176 said:
Do you think wearing poppies is an issue?

Not at all, but typically on here people are gonna be obtuse. Do you think players like McClean refusing to do so is an issue?

The absolutely insane thing is Ipswich coming out to more or less apologise on Sam Morsy’s behalf because it’s against his beliefs. Why are clubs bending over backwards to apologise for offence when it probably hasn’t even been caused?

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T18:31:09+0000

skybluecam said:
Nah but I'd say players refusing to support inclusive initiatives does

Then we agree to disagree

Shannerz · 2024-12-03T18:51:11+0000

Tommo1993 said:
Would you say standard armbands, corner flags, laces, etc was making the sport exclusive?

No, but in a sport that has traditionally been extremely hostile to LBGT people, it's necessary that clubs address that, and the things you mention are a visible way expressing inclusivity.

Obviously no-one should force this guy to wear a rainbow armband any more than they should force McLean to wear a poppy, but I do think there's something problematic in a club's captain actively stating that they do not support inclusivity and equality.

Probably the best solution would have been to name a different captain for the day. No-one has to compromise their beliefs, and the club can still make a statement of support.

Shannerz · 2024-12-03T18:53:14+0000

Como said:

I just assumed it was a rather sweet message to his Spanish boyfriend.

skybluetony176 · 2024-12-03T19:00:33+0000

Tommo1993 said:
Not at all, but typically on here people are gonna be obtuse. Do you think players like McClean refusing to do so is an issue?

The absolutely insane thing is Ipswich coming out to more or less apologise on Sam Morsy’s behalf because it’s against his beliefs. Why are clubs bending over backwards to apologise for offence when it probably hasn’t even been caused?

Personally no and I don’t understand why people should. Players should be free to wear poppies, rainbow laces etc. or not. My problem is when people start calling wearing one thing politics and it is typically (not accusing you of that personally) the same people that would lose their shit if you suggested that they should stop wearing the other thing. Clubs should be involved in supporting communities and community causes such as racial equality, sexual equality and support of veterans. Clubs should be part of the community and the whole community. It’s only political if you want it to be is how I see it, so the only people who are really making it political are the people deciding it’s political.

SBT · 2024-12-03T19:06:18+0000

Tommo1993 said:
The absolutely insane thing is Ipswich coming out to more or less apologise on Sam Morsy’s behalf because it’s against his beliefs. Why are clubs bending over backwards to apologise for offence when it probably hasn’t even been caused?

They haven't apologised and they say they respect his decision - what are you actually upset about?

fatso · 2024-12-03T19:09:17+0000

ccfctommy said:
He should have written 'I am Jesus'. That would have been more interesting.

Jesus was in goal.

fatso · 2024-12-03T19:12:34+0000

skybluetony176 said:
Do you think wearing poppies is an issue?

It would be if you were FORCED to wear one,
That would ironically be complete against the kind of tyranny that people gave their lives to stop.

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T19:36:23+0000

SBT said:
They haven't apologised and they say they respect his decision - what are you actually upset about?

Who’s upset? Isn’t this just a discussion?

It was also passively apologetic. Totally unnecessary imo.

Nuskyblue · 2024-12-03T19:46:50+0000

skybluecam said:
FA to remind Marc Guehi & Crystal Palace about religious messaging

The Football Association is to remind Crystal Palace captain Marc Guehi and the Selhurst Park club that religious messaging on their kit is banned.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ipswich Town captain Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband during Saturday's Premier League loss at Nottingham Forest, which his club has said was because of his "religious beliefs".

England defender Guehi's rainbow captain's armband for Palace's draw against Newcastle United on Saturday had the message 'I love Jesus' written on it.

Nuskyblue · 2024-12-03T19:49:30+0000

skybluetony176 said:
Personally no and I don’t understand why people should. Players should be free to wear poppies, rainbow laces etc. or not. My problem is when people start calling wearing one thing politics and it is typically (not accusing you of that personally) the same people that would lose their shit if you suggested that they should stop wearing the other thing. Clubs should be involved in supporting communities and community causes such as racial equality, sexual equality and support of veterans. Clubs should be part of the community and the whole community. It’s only political if you want it to be is how I see it, so the only people who are really making it political are the people deciding it’s political.

It means more if it's a genuine choice and not an enforced mandate to obviously

SBT · 2024-12-03T19:50:42+0000

Tommo1993 said:
Who’s upset? Isn’t this just a discussion?

It was also passively apologetic. Totally unnecessary imo.

I don't really see why the club would go to the trouble of, in your words, bending over backwards only to give a "passive" apology (whatever that is) but sure.

Seems to me like everyone got what they wanted here and is being generally respectful of Morsy's decision, even if they don't agree with it. Which strikes me as the way it should be, but if you think that's "absolutely insane"...

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · 2024-12-03T19:54:59+0000

Tommo1993 said:
The absolutely insane thing is Ipswich coming out to more or less apologise on Sam Morsy’s behalf because it’s against his beliefs. Why are clubs bending over backwards to apologise for offence when it probably hasn’t even been caused?

It's the virtue-signallers worst nightmare. Got to choose between Islam, or LGBT rights. Given that you can't have both, there's always a stench of hypocrisy.

Frankly the Islamic view of LGBT people is disgusting, and I also find it a bit of a joke that we are lectured by people that are very happy to take or enable money from these backward regimes who then have the cheek to think they can give us a lesson on morals.

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T20:16:20+0000

Shannerz said:
No, but in a sport that has traditionally been extremely hostile to LBGT people, it's necessary that clubs address that, and the things you mention are a visible way expressing inclusivity.

Obviously no-one should force this guy to wear a rainbow armband any more than they should force McLean to wear a poppy, but I do think there's something problematic in a club's captain actively stating that they do not support inclusivity and equality.

Probably the best solution would have been to name a different captain for the day. No-one has to compromise their beliefs, and the club can still make a statement of support.

On reflection I think stripping him of captaincy, even temporarily, for this reason would’ve been completely absurd and harsh.

alexccfc99 · 2024-12-03T20:24:05+0000

Imagine the up-roar if an openly gay footballer refused to sign up to an Anti-Islamophobia initiative (and being as they’d be flogged and castrated in some Sharia countries that would be partly understandable)

There’s plenty of clubs in Egypt that Morsy could go and play for if he is uncomfortable with the values of this country

Shannerz · 2024-12-03T20:35:04+0000

Tommo1993 said:
On reflection I think stripping him of captaincy, even temporarily, for this reason would’ve been completely absurd and harsh.

It wouldn't be stripping him of the captaincy.

It would be stating that the captain on that day wears a rainbow armband to demonstrate acceptance of LGBT people within the football community. If he is uncomfortable with that, then someone else has to be captain that day.

It would be his choice. Nobody would be stripping anybody of anything.

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T20:42:17+0000

Shannerz said:
It wouldn't be stripping him of the captaincy.

It would be stating that the captain on that day wears a rainbow armband to demonstrate acceptance of LGBT people within the football community. If he is uncomfortable with that, then someone else has to be captain that day.

It would be his choice. Nobody would be stripping anybody of anything.

You can’t be captain today because of your beliefs.

Actual controversy. However much we disagree with barbaric values I really don’t think it’d be acceptable.

Tommo1993 · 2024-12-03T20:50:46+0000

SBT said:
I don't really see why the club would go to the trouble of, in your words, bending over backwards only to give a "passive" apology (whatever that is) but sure.

Seems to me like everyone got what they wanted here and is being generally respectful of Morsy's decision, even if they don't agree with it. Which strikes me as the way it should be, but if you think that's "absolutely insane"...

Ironic you mention “upset”.

A couple of your replies have come across as quite ratty. Also wouldn’t say everyone has been respectful of his decision either. We ain’t gonna agree, but I had a feeling your high horse was gonna come out - and it did.

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