Rainbow Captain's Armband (15 Viewers)

[Liquid Gold]

Weird to use your religion as an excuse for your homophobia.

If we’re just taking mad shit from the Old Testament then I’m pretty sure those football shirts are made with mixed fabrics.

 

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[Shannerz]

You can’t be captain today because of your beliefs.

Actual controversy. However much we disagree with barbaric values I really don’t think it’d be acceptable.

But he could, that's the thing. It would have been up to him.

I don't know if this works as a comparison, but I absolutely loved the tramlines kit from a couple of years ago. I really wanted one, but was really uncomfortable about being an advertising hoarding for a betting company, so I didn't buy one. Does that mean that I was denied owning a shirt I would have liked because of my personal values? No; it means I chose not to.

If you want a nice tramline kit, then you promote a betting company. If you want to be captain, you promote inclusivity. If you don't want to, then don't. Up to you.

 

[Tommo1993]

But he could, that's the thing. It would have been up to him.

I don't know if this works as a comparison, but I absolutely loved the tramlines kit from a couple of years ago. I really wanted one, but was really uncomfortable about being an advertising hoarding for a betting company, so I didn't buy one. Does that mean that I was denied owning a shirt I would have liked because of my personal values? No; it means I chose not to.

If you want a nice tramline kit, then you promote a betting company. If you want to be captain, you promote inclusivity. If you don't want to, then don't. Up to you.

Exactly. So why should it be a problem as much as it apparently is? It shouldn’t have any effect on the pitch.

 

[SBT]

Exactly. So why should it be a problem as much as it apparently is? It shouldn’t have any effect on the pitch.

Apologies in advance if I come across as ratty in asking the question, but genuinely, where do you see the problem? Ipswich Town don't seem to have one, the LGBT fan groups don't seem to have one...

 

[Tommo1993]

Apologies in advance if I come across as ratty in asking the question, but genuinely, where do you see the problem? Ipswich Town don't seem to have one, the LGBT fan groups don't seem to have one...

It’s being discussed in sports news and social media. Of course someone has expressed problem. This post wouldn’t exist otherwise. Be honest, next to nobody watching that game caught out that he wasn’t wearing multicoloured elastic on his arm.

It’s been said on this very post that he should go and play in Egypt instead if he doesn’t like it. Honestly think people would have this rainbow stuff forced on players - which is also a dodgy path to take.

I find the Guehi stuff strange too. Don’t know why he chose to write it on an armband. But is it really a big deal?

 

[Shannerz]

Exactly. So why should it be a problem as much as it apparently is? It shouldn’t have any effect on the pitch.

Is it a huge problem? Has there been an outcry, or just media stirring? Genuine question.

If I'd have been the Ipswich hierarchy, I would have done what I said, but I'm not, so he just wore his normal armband. It's a bit disappointing on Ipswich's behalf, but hardly worth getting worked up about. It is, at the end of the day, just one man and one armband.

If it had been someone being banned for wearing one (as in Qatar), that's way more serious, but not this, particularly.

 

[skybluecam]

It’s being discussed in sports news and social media. Of course someone has expressed problem. This post wouldn’t exist otherwise. Be honest, next to nobody watching that game caught out that he wasn’t wearing multicoloured elastic on his arm.

It’s been said on this very post that he should go and play in Egypt instead if he doesn’t like it. Honestly think people would have this rainbow stuff forced on players - which is also a dodgy path to take.

I find the Guehi stuff strange too. Don’t know why he chose to write it on an armband. But is it really a big deal?

No one's saying he should be forced to wear it.

He should have just worn it of his own accord and not been a bigot. Unfortunately he didn't.

 

[ovduk78]

He wrote "Jesus you" tonight on his arm band tonight

 

[StrettoBoy]

I welcome football showing its support for inclusivity but I think it would be better not to involve the players.

There can be messages on the scoreboard, in the match programmes and inside the stadium which will be far more visible than on armbands worn by the players.

 

[Tommo1993]

Absolute madness if the FA charge him.

 

[SBT]

It’s being discussed in sports news and social media. Of course someone has expressed problem. This post wouldn’t exist otherwise. Be honest, next to nobody watching that game caught out that he wasn’t wearing multicoloured elastic on his arm.

It’s been said on this very post that he should go and play in Egypt instead if he doesn’t like it. Honestly think people would have this rainbow stuff forced on players - which is also a dodgy path to take.

I find the Guehi stuff strange too. Don’t know why he chose to write it on an armband. But is it really a big deal?

None of it is a big deal at all - Ipswich and their supporter groups seem to have handled it with good grace and dignity and just want to move on. Guehi's been reminded of the rules and that's it. I genuinely don't understand why people think it's an "insane" controversy.

 

[covcity4life]

Fa should stop picking and choosing which causes are allowed to be promoted tbh

 

[rob9872]

The irony of the situation is that if anything, he's caused more discussion and profile than if he'd simply worn it.

Tbh it is an empty gesture, but equally harmless and yet at the same time should be a choice. A choice to wear it to represent their colleagues and fans ideally, but if they don't want or feel they can, then that should be ok too.

I've in the past been against McClean not wearing a poppy shirt, but have come to understand his principles even if I don't agree with them and this should be the same. For balance, he's still a prick of course!

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Big up Marc Guehi

 

[Otis]

 

[rob9872]

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I'm not sure on the scale. I reckon that's about 1:20 which tbh is no more than a slight incline.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I feel sorry for the players, staff and supporters of Palace who are gay or closeted and know that their captain wouldn’t accept who they were born as.

Shouldn’t be charged or anything. It’s just a shame.

 

[Evo1883]

 

[Jamesimus]

Not sure I’d be able to stand on the same side as someone who beats women and also unsure how the wearing of an armband can really wind people up.

That being said can understand concerns of people like @rob9872 about it being a completely empty gesture. If players came out and spoke about this, links to “rainbow capitalism” and how action should be prioritised over meaningless platitudes then I couldn’t disagree.

I do think in this situation and the Sam Morsy one it’s absolutely nothing to do with those things. I think the fact Guehi has actually worn the armband though maybe suggests what he’s written on it could be taken out of context?

 

[Sick Boy]

Imagine a player refusing to wear an anti-racism armband; I don’t see the difference.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Nah but I'd say players refusing to support inclusive initiatives does

Yep can’t see how anyone on the Ipswich playing would feel comfortable coming out any time soon

 

[Nuskyblue]

Fa should stop picking and choosing which causes are allowed to be promoted tbh

This 100%

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Weird to use your religion as an excuse for your homophobia.

If we’re just taking mad shit from the Old Testament then I’m pretty sure those football shirts are made with mixed fabrics.

Interesting and someone has made the point that writing that might have been misconstrued as anti lgbt+ when for him he may have been saying I support it all the more cos I love Jesus

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This 100%

Gets tricky doesnt it though. It’s impossible to be on everyone’s side you can’t have a pro Muslim weekend then an lgbt weekend then a anti racism one or maybe you can
I agree with the sentiment against collymore but I agree with him on this sport for all is right and then rather than making grand statements actually do something about making that a reality

 

[Nick]

Isn't this like the gay people for Palestine stuff? Not realising the country would probably throw you off a building for being gay.

Morsy is Muslim and guehi is from a very religious up bringing.

I'm not sure the fa can say to keep religious messages out when trying to put other messages out that might be the opposite to what players believe (rightly or wrongly).

 

[Sick Boy]

Isn't this like the gay people for Palestine stuff? Not realising the country would probably throw you off a building for being gay.

Morsy is Muslim and guehi is from a very religious up bringing.

I'm not sure the fa can say to keep religious messages out when trying to put other messages out that might be the opposite to what players believe (rightly or wrongly).

A person's sexuality isn't any different from someone having brown eyes. Religion should have no say in what's right or wrong about that.

 

[Jamesimus]

Imagine a player refusing to wear an anti-racism armband; I don’t see the difference.

It’s a valid point.

Isn't this like the gay people for Palestine stuff? Not realising the country would probably throw you off a building for being gay.

Morsy is Muslim and guehi is from a very religious up bringing.

I'm not sure the fa can say to keep religious messages out when trying to put other messages out that might be the opposite to what players believe (rightly or wrongly).

Lots of Palestinians have spoken up in plenty of places, podcasts, news sources etc saying this isn’t really the case. Granted likely not as “tolerant” over here, but lots of LGBT Palestinian people have spoken out against the occupation “no pride in occupation”. I think it’s slowly changing albeit behind what we’re experiencing here.

I think non harmful / religious messaging that is tolerant should be fine (probably wouldn’t be in the eyes of the FA!).

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Isn't this like the gay people for Palestine stuff? Not realising the country would probably throw you off a building for being gay.

Morsy is Muslim and guehi is from a very religious up bringing.

I'm not sure the fa can say to keep religious messages out when trying to put other messages out that might be the opposite to what players believe (rightly or wrongly).

Completely that
Never agreed with you more

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

A person's sexuality isn't any different from someone having brown eyes. Religion should have no say in what's right or wrong about that.

Is the current opinion on these things and it’s been around a while and it’s where I am even though I am a bit of a bible basher

 

[Nick]

A person's sexuality isn't any different from someone having brown eyes. Religion should have no say in what's right or wrong about that.

I'm not saying it should. Just saying it does.

That's where it's catch 22.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm not saying it should. Just saying it does.

That's where it's catch 22.

There should be no catch-22, though. If they want to live in a society where religion discriminates against someone, maybe the UK isn't the place for them.

 

[Sick Boy]

Is the current opinion on these things and it’s been around a while and it’s where I am even though I am a bit of a bible basher

I have no issue if someone wants to believe in a certain religion, but once it starts being used to impact the lives of others and discriminate against them, it's wrong.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I have no issue if someone wants to believe in a certain religion, but once it starts being used to impact the lives of others and discriminate against them, it's wrong.

Couldn’t agree more
And to my American friends Jesus dealt with this in his
My kingdom is not of this world speech if it were I would have told my followers to pick up their swords
I’m naive and a pussy of course and there are times when picking up your sword is right and proper I’m no longer certain when these are

 

[Nick]

There should be no catch-22, though. If they want to live in a society where religion discriminates against someone, maybe the UK isn't the place for them.

I totally agree.

The Catch 22 is that by saying that. it can be spun as Discrimination...

 

[shmmeee]

What's the politics?

Some people don’t like the gays. Where’s their political representation?