skybluecam
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I can only remember Millwall maybe? And yeah that was bad, although I think it was motivated by fans rather than players?
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clint van damme
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Was referring to the poster I quoted.
rob9872
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So he loves Hitler, wars, famine and cancer? Sounds like a bit of a c**t tbf.Absolutely right. I am proud to be a practising Christian but have little time for Bible fundamentalists.
The New Testament was mainly written many years after Christ and is subject to the failings of human memory. It is the work of humans and therefore prone to error both in the writing and the interpretation of it.
The errors include mistakes in translation. It was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, then translated into Greek and only about 1,400 years after Christ was it translated into Medieval English. Even after that it has been updated many times.
I wonder what Bible fundamentalists make of the so-called Adulters Bible? An error was made in printing it and as a result the sixth commandment reads, “Thou shalt commit adultery”.
The Bible should be read and interpreted with reason and common sense. I have no doubt but that God loves us all, including members of the LGBGT+ community.
StrettoBoy
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Thankfully we do not live in a world in which God seeks to control us or our actions. I for one wouldn’t have it any other way
Tommo1993
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“Maybe the UK isn’t the place for them” is massively hypocritical.
Neither Morsy or Guehi or McLean or whoever is next to ‘step out of line’, is forcing their beliefs on anyone. It’s very much closer to the other way round. As has been said by the sensible, there are so many better ways to promote it that doesn’t include empty gestures by players. Kit on, play, kit off, go home. That’s all it needs to be.
Neither Morsy or Guehi or McLean or whoever is next to ‘step out of line’, is forcing their beliefs on anyone. It’s very much closer to the other way round. As has been said by the sensible, there are so many better ways to promote it that doesn’t include empty gestures by players. Kit on, play, kit off, go home. That’s all it needs to be.
oakey
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Correction - the New Testament was originally written in Greek, the Koine Greek version from the first century.Absolutely right. I am proud to be a practising Christian but have little time for Bible fundamentalists.
The New Testament was mainly written many years after Christ and is subject to the failings of human memory. It is the work of humans and therefore prone to error both in the writing and the interpretation of it.
The errors include mistakes in translation. It was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, then translated into Greek and only about 1,400 years after Christ was it translated into Medieval English. Even after that it has been updated many times.
I wonder what Bible fundamentalists make of the so-called Adulters Bible? An error was made in printing it and as a result the sixth commandment reads, “Thou shalt commit adultery”.
The Bible should be read and interpreted with reason and common sense. I have no doubt but that God loves us all, including members of the LGBGT+ community.
There may have been fragments that were translations from Aramaic or Hebrew but this is disputed by scholars.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Sure thing. It’s not like the next far right US President spent tens of millions of dollars to run adverts on trans athletes…
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Mate, you're like a malfunctioning triggered leftist robot since Trump won the election.
Relax!
Brighton Sky Blue
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The right clearly do care enough about the T of LGBT to keep going on about trans athletes.
Evo1883
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Not even sure that's a left right thing tbh
Sick Boy
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It’s hardly hypocritical ffs they’re bigots hiding behind their religion and I’m not going to apologise for saying that either.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Across the pond one side is trying to make it one.
Tommo1993
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The beauty of the modern day. Despite what many seem to think, you don’t have to apologise for your view, fuck them if they expect it.
StrettoBoy
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The languages mainly spoken by the persons depicted in the New Testament (apart from the Romans) were Aramaic and Hebrew.
Their words were then translated into Greek before, after 1,400 years, being translated into Medieval English. Over time it was translated into the St James Bible and subsequently into more modern versions.
The fact is that, as the words have been translated many times, there is plenty of scope for error and for people to come to different interpretations depending upon which version they read. This was my point.
I find the breadth of the discussions that we have on SBT to be quite amazing and part of the joy of it.
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oakey
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My point standsThe languages mainly spoken by the persons depicted in the New Testament (apart from the Romans) were Aramaic and Hebrew.
Their words were then translated into Greek before, after 1,400 years, being translated into Medieval English. Over time it was translated into the St James Bible and subsequently into more modern versions.
The fact is that, as the words have been translated many times, there is plenty of scope for error and for people to come to different interpretations depending upon which version they read. This was my point.
I find the breadth of the discussions that we have on SBT to be quite amazing and part of the joy of it.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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No. You're upset about the US election and you're projecting on everything.
I like you a lot Brighton, but since Trump won you've let it get the better of you.
Tommo1993
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Wrong one
Sorry Tommo. No idea how that happened. SBT aneurysm.
@Brighton Sky Blue that one was for you.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Not particularly, it's relevant in response to the idea that right wing politics doesn't touch LGBT issues when it was a major feature of a presidential campaign this year.
Otis
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I think at some point, we're going to be using every letter of the alphabet.
Asexual
Buggerer
Clitorati
Dickless
Edger
Fetisher
Grinder
Homosexual
Incel
Jizzer
Kinky
Lesbian
Muff Diver
Nipple Licker
(Multiple) Orificer
Pisser
Questioning
Rimmer
Spermicider
Trans
Undergraduate
Vagder
Wanker
X Lover
Y-fronter
Zapper (for those who like to be tasered at the point of orgasm)
Brighton Sky Blue
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Perhaps again worth asking why there aren’t more openly gay men playing football.
Sky Blue Pete
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Sky Blue Pete
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I suppose clubs will have to get separate showers and stuff wouldn’t they naat
Brighton Sky Blue
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Even if it’s 1%, that still means you’re looking at dozens of players in league clubs having to hide their sexuality. I don’t think the armband will do a great deal to change that
clint van damme
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There was an interesting interview on 5live this morning with a fella who runs a company that works with EPL clubs to look after players welfare.
Quite a long interview but one thing he was saying players are often just given t shirts or laces or whatever and td to wear them without anyone actually talking to them about the issue they're supposed to be representing.
He also said that he though a player talking about his personal experiences, as Ramsdale has done about his brother who is gay, was far more powerful.
This chap was also openly gay and said he'd never been treated with anything g but respect by the players he deals with.
Otis
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Definitely. Otherwise they would be staring at other players' penises In the showers.
I mean, I used to do that when I played in my Sunday League football team.
And I'm not even gay
oakey
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Not political?
I think some people feel this is being forced. The LGBT etc is such a broad category where would you start trying to identify a gap in products or services which requires an engineer to find a solution?
In the same vein the rainbow campaign shows support for a group that is so broad that to group them together is a political statement. It could be argued this is an umbrella group that already has every legal protection.
The campaign would have made more sense a decade or two ago when respect and legal protection was lacking. Since the Equality Act 2010 they have full rights.
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rob9872
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I doubt the % is actually very high. Most will have been made so unwelcome or uncomfortable at an early age in such a testosterone filled competetive environment that they'd most likely have given up. It's not really a broad spectrum of society. That said to suggest there are zero, is of course equally absurd. Until that changes, things won't improve.
Conversely, the women's game was the complete opposite and stories a generation ago of bullying if you weren't gay. Their game has made huge strides as it's grown and is now far more inclusive in all areas.
Conversely, the women's game was the complete opposite and stories a generation ago of bullying if you weren't gay. Their game has made huge strides as it's grown and is now far more inclusive in all areas.
Yeah think this is a pretty overlooked aspect here and is pretty central to the story. Ipswich seem to have handled it pretty well seeing as fan groups were notified of Morsy’s decision in advance etc. But if Man Utd players weren’t aware of the campaign until they were shown the Jackets of Shame in the dressing room before the game then it’s no surprise if it ends in a mess.
Zero point in doing the campaign if you’re not going to engage with the people you’re asking to lead it.
clint van damme
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Hesdone a big interview about it which is getting broadcast Saturday but I'm not sure where.
rob9872
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I think the issue is more that they're inconsistently taking a stand against this but not betting on their shirts etc. I'm of the opinion it should be a choice and forcing them to wear it is wrong, but don't hide behind the religion as an excuse. Either all in for it or not at all. Not sure why Guehi is getting more criticism than Morsy though. I can only assume they're less scared of backlash from his Christian beliefs ...