shmmeee
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Im not disagreeing with you, I think it’s weak but I can see why Jews are twitchy about left wing people bringing Jews into something and I can see why Labour are twitchy about letting things go no matter how small.
When you have a look at the cop doing it and then look at some Krav Maga videos there are some similarities to be fair.
Surely the desperation to make that line offensive is actually more strange than anything.
Had a quick google to see if there is any truth to it and this came up from Amnesty which seems to suggest US police receive training from Israeli forces:Because there’s no reason to suggest the US police learned it from the Israelis
Where Do Many Police Departments Train? In IsraelWhen the U.S. Department of Justice published a report Aug. 10 that documented “widespread constitutional violations, discriminatory enforcement, and culture of retaliation” within the Baltimore Police Department (BPD), there was rightly a general reaction of outrage.
But what hasn’t received as much attention is where Baltimore police received training on crowd control, use of force and surveillance: Israel’s national police, military and intelligence services.
Baltimore law enforcement officials, along with hundreds of others from Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state as well as the DC Capitol police have all traveled to Israel for training. Thousands of others have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S.
With added context if you are unaware of the links between Labour and antisemitism I think you should begin to see why she was sacked. If you take the context away from the white lives matter plane, the guy has done nothing wrong. Same here.It still doesn't explain why that line in the article is offensive to Jewish people?
I mean, the Israeli special forces have invented a martial arts discipline that police can learn. It's not really a conspiracy theory to say that police may have learnt (or tried to) learn it.
To then try to link it that the jews were training up the police to kill black people is more batshit mental.
Had a quick google to see if there is any truth to it and this came up from Amnesty which seems to suggest US police receive training from Israeli forces:
Where Do Many Police Departments Train? In Israel
What you on about institutional?Depends on your point of view. I’m not sure 0.07% of your members classes as institutional.
With added context if you are unaware of the links between Labour and antisemitism I think you should begin to see why she was sacked. If you take the context away from the white lives matter plane, the guy has done nothing wrong. Same here.
Hope you're not suggesting theirs an ulterior motive for Starmer sacking the Corbyn supporting Long-Bailey but promoting the anti-Corbyn Reeves?Seems to me he wanted her out, and found a reason, weak as it is, to do it.
But as I posted they deny teaching the knee on neck move.
I’m already far deeper into this than I care to be TBH. Just trying to provide some context.
It appears that the denial may have been added after Long-Bailey was sacked but that's just from twitter and I'm struggling to trace the origin of that claim to verify. There's certainly plenty of pictorial evidence being thrown out on social media to establish it is a tactic used by Israeli forces. Certainly think there's at least an element of doubt about the denial.But as I posted they deny teaching the knee on neck move.
The claim was that Labour was institutionally racist however complaints made to the General Secretary accounted for 0.07% of the membership in total.What you on about institutional?
2 second google shows Krav Maga training doing that move.
Not sure that it is really a conspiracy to suggest that or it's anti semetic.
Surely inventing something as being anti semetic that isn't to sack somebody is just as bad as being anti semetic?
Fucking hell. Im going back to watching Israeli forces fucking people up on youtube.
It appears that the denial may have been added after Long-Bailey was sacked but that's just from twitter and I'm struggling to trace the origin of that claim to verify. There's certainly plenty of pictorial evidence being thrown out on social media to establish it is a tactic used by Israeli forces. Certainly think there's at least an element of doubt about the denial.
No I know you aren't arguing, I'm just still trying to find out how it's offensive to Jewish people.OK I really don’t care one way or another and this is me on auto argue so gonna leave it after this (maybe), but I’m guessing what they teach police isn’t straight up Krav Maga but some subset used for policing specifically. And in that they don’t say “if you’re arresting someone stick your knee on their neck”.
I'm not suggesting that it was institutional. Starmer cannot appear to be weak on it though because of public perception.The claim was that Labour was institutionally racist however complaints made to the General Secretary accounted for 0.07% of the membership in total.
Which was less than the same figure for AS and Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party.
Called this when I saw the tweet this morning then the hasty apology tweet a couple of hours later.
Shared an article where it repeated the conspiracy theory that Israel trained the cops who killed George Floyd, proper bat shit stuff that shouldn’t have made it into a national newspaper in the first place.
But why is it offensive to Jews for fuck sake?I'm not suggesting that it was institutional. Starmer cannot appear to be weak on it though because of public perception.
Of which I agree - sorry I think I misunderstood your point.I'm not suggesting that it was institutional. Starmer cannot appear to be weak on it though because of public perception.
But you said it was a bat shit conspiracy? What's the issue with that being in a national newspaper?
This is why politics confuses me, are people just seeing it being labelled as offensive and going with it?
Having read up more in this thread than before I’ll happily modify that. I thought the conspiracy was that those specific cops were trained to kill George Floyd, as opposed to “they learned Krav Maga” which is what it seems.
I think you’re right that it’s not particularly offensive in that context.
Reeves... she’s got a big thing for austerity. Maybe not a good look for Labour....If he didn't want her in the SC, why did he appoint her and not Reeves in the first place?
Reeves... she’s got a big thing for austerity. Maybe not a good look for Labour....
An edit has been made this afternoon it seems. The original was:That article was from 10th June. I don’t think there’s a conspiracy here. Just a twitchy new leader, a careless SC member, and a whole load of disingenuous outrage on all sides.
The new version is:"Though a spokesperson from the Israeli police has denied this, a 2016 Amnesty International report said that hundreds of law enforcement officials had traveled to Israel for training."
No longer any mention of the Amnesty report."A spokesperson for the Israeli police has denied this, stating that “there is no tactic or protocol that calls to put pressure on the neck or airway”."
Hope you're not suggesting theirs an ulterior motive for Starmer sacking the Corbyn supporting Long-Bailey but promoting the anti-Corbyn Reeves?
Did you not see the infamous article where she said ‘Labour would have cut deeper than the Tories’ re: AusteritySince when? she was shadow chief sec and played a large part in Labours economic policies in the Miliband years that were very scandi.
Did you not see the infamous article where she said ‘Labour would have cut deeper than the Tories’ re: Austerity
If we are talking about how things look then sticking her as a front line shadow cabinet is not good for an anti-austerity party (if that’s what we even are anymore)
In itself it may very well not be, same as the white lives matter plane isn't. If Starmer had not dealt with this though when Long-Bailey retweets an article that directly links Israel to the killing of George Floyd it would be massively damaging to what he is trying to achieve. That is why I think it is good leadership. Done.But why is it offensive to Jews for fuck sake?
Put me out my misery
Reeves who has had her own antisemitic controversy but that seems to be conveniently ignored.
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