Grendel
Well-Known Member
He should if she wants it appoint Yvette Cooper and then at last we know the opposition is serious about forming a government
Any news on her replacement. Surely it has to be someone from the left or his unity idea is dead.
Robinson wants to convey a message all Muslims are terrorists. The old hard left want to convey a message Jews are racist authoritarian and dangerous.
Look at the Zarah Sultana. She said if she could kill 3 people it would be George Bush Tony Blair and the Israeli PM
That’s an odd choice isn’t it? Not the China leader, Mugawbe or another African despot, not the North Korean dynasty, not Putin and not the Saudi Prince or other brutal Middle East regimes?
Odd choice isn’t it?
I mean it's not really going to send that message out, is it?
It's like me doing a Crane Kick from Karate Kid and somebody mentioning it being labelled as racist against Mr Miagi.
It’s exactly got the message out. I suspect you’ve never even thought about Israel before and now you are and it’s a negative image
I’m sure you actively try to not understand what people are saying ha ha
Sultana is an appropriate surname for that fruitcake.
What is that, in your view?
Let me guess Grendal is obsessing over the non white mp for Coventry South again?
Take it up with the Coventry South CLP. As a member of said CLP no one else really seems bothered.On her he’s right, she should never have been selected as a candidate.
Take it up with the Coventry South CLP. As a member of said CLP no one else really seems bothered.
Take it up with the Coventry South CLP. As a member of said CLP no one else really seems bothered.
That’s a good question, and honestly, I’m doing a bit of soul searching atm, politically.
Firstly, the key battle grounds of the next election is not clear. It’s too early in the election cycle for policies.
A few things, in my view, the Labour Party needs to address (in no particular order):
1) A plan for devolution countries. It’s haemorrhaging votes in Scotland and Wales. Is the solution a more centralised or decentralised Union. Instinctively, I’m a unionist. But, there may be value and a demand in more devolution.
2) Immigration. I’m pro-immigration and believe it benefits the nation in so many ways. But, this has been an issue for old working class Labour voters for some time. Promoting an ‘Australian style points system’ is pretty popular with voters. The win-win here is that Australia has high levels of immigration.
3) it needs to put to rest this antisemitism issue. It’s a blight on the party and something that is being used against the party.
4) Jobs creation. Depending on Covid-19 and Brexit, may be a big issue going into the next day election.
5) Regional Rejuvenation. How are they going to bring these old communities back to life? The Preston Model is an interesting case study, and one of the few places to remain Labour.
6) Other areas it needs to focus on: increase police funding (having worked in security, I got an insight into how thinly spread they are); increase vocational courses (not everyone needs Uni, 50% was arbitrary number); don’t be seen to be giving out too many ‘freebies’ (the broadband policy was not well received). I’ve skimmed over these points massively.
Look, I’m a cosmopolitan, university educated person from a v working class background. But, I like the idea of Blue Labour at this moment. Frankly, I think it’s probably the direction the party needs to go in if it is to survive and win votes.
That’s a good question, and honestly, I’m doing a bit of soul searching atm, politically.
Firstly, the key battle grounds of the next election is not clear. It’s too early in the election cycle for policies.
A few things, in my view, the Labour Party needs to address (in no particular order):
1) A plan for devolution countries. It’s haemorrhaging votes in Scotland and Wales. Is the solution a more centralised or decentralised Union. Instinctively, I’m a unionist. But, there may be value and a demand in more devolution.
2) Immigration. I’m pro-immigration and believe it benefits the nation in so many ways. But, this has been an issue for old working class Labour voters for some time. Promoting an ‘Australian style points system’ is pretty popular with voters. The win-win here is that Australia has high levels of immigration.
3) it needs to put to rest this antisemitism issue. It’s a blight on the party and something that is being used against the party.
4) Jobs creation. Depending on Covid-19 and Brexit, may be a big issue going into the next day election.
5) Regional Rejuvenation. How are they going to bring these old communities back to life? The Preston Model is an interesting case study, and one of the few places to remain Labour.
6) Other areas it needs to focus on: increase police funding (having worked in security, I got an insight into how thinly spread they are); increase vocational courses (not everyone needs Uni, 50% was arbitrary number); don’t be seen to be giving out too many ‘freebies’ (the broadband policy was not well received). I’ve skimmed over these points massively.
Look, I’m a cosmopolitan, university educated person from a v working class background. But, I like the idea of Blue Labour at this moment. Frankly, I think it’s probably the direction the party needs to go in if it is to survive and win votes.
I mean there's literally loads of videos on YouTube of "police Krav Maga" training that shows people being trained in restraint which includes a knee on the neck that looks very much like what the copper did to George Floyd.
Again, I am not saying that the Jews specially trained that exact copper to kneel on necks of black people and kill as many as he could. Thats the bat shit mental thing about it all.
That’s a good question, and honestly, I’m doing a bit of soul searching atm, politically.
Firstly, the key battle grounds of the next election is not clear. It’s too early in the election cycle for policies.
A few things, in my view, the Labour Party needs to address (in no particular order):
1) A plan for devolution countries. It’s haemorrhaging votes in Scotland and Wales. Is the solution a more centralised or decentralised Union. Instinctively, I’m a unionist. But, there may be value and a demand in more devolution.
2) Immigration. I’m pro-immigration and believe it benefits the nation in so many ways. But, this has been an issue for old working class Labour voters for some time. Promoting an ‘Australian style points system’ is pretty popular with voters. The win-win here is that Australia has high levels of immigration.
3) it needs to put to rest this antisemitism issue. It’s a blight on the party and something that is being used against the party.
4) Jobs creation. Depending on Covid-19 and Brexit, may be a big issue going into the next day election.
5) Regional Rejuvenation. How are they going to bring these old communities back to life? The Preston Model is an interesting case study, and one of the few places to remain Labour.
6) Other areas it needs to focus on: increase police funding (having worked in security, I got an insight into how thinly spread they are); increase vocational courses (not everyone needs Uni, 50% was arbitrary number); don’t be seen to be giving out too many ‘freebies’ (the broadband policy was not well received). I’ve skimmed over these points massively.
Look, I’m a cosmopolitan, university educated person from a v working class background. But, I like the idea of Blue Labour at this moment. Frankly, I think it’s probably the direction the party needs to go in if it is to survive and win votes.
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I think you’re in the weeds of detail too much. Majority of swing voters go with the mood of the country rather than a detailed policy analysis and stuff like devolution means nothing outside of the politically engaged who have made their mind up already.
There’s two routes to power in the U.K.: you marry the liberal student cities with the socially conservative working class over a left wing economic program both support. That means patriotism, tough on crime and benefits cheats, immigration controls, plus investment in services and infrastructure.
Or you go right wing economics, low tax, low regulation, and try and get the Lib Dem and soft Tory vote.
What you can’t do is the Corbyn tactic of left wing liberalism of the students and woke middle class because they’re all concentrated in the same place.
Social attitude studies show consistently the U.K. is a left wing socially conservative country. IMO that’s the Labour route to power. Marry some element of Corbynite economics and investment with a focus on jobs and training, with a tabloid style social conservatism. That was Blair’s route and it doesn’t mean you can’t do liberal things like improving conditions for minorities, but you need the political capital from the country by draping yourself in the flag and hating the same things they do.
As a Labour member for the economics first and the social stuff second that’s fine by me but you’ll lose a lot of young idealistic activists which some would have an issue with. Personally I think the ground war is less and less important these days.
@Nick I think you’re missing the “why mention the Jews at all” angle.
Like the people who pop into the George Floyd thread to drop statistics about black on black crime. It’s factually correct but the timing and placement of such facts makes you wonder about their agenda.
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Even simpler than that, just go on age. Labour win with under 45s and get annihilated with over 50s who always turn out in bigger numbers.
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Age is a proxy for education as well. There’s a lot of non uni educated people with a chip on their shoulder and Labour has done very little to help or try and understand their issues instead choosing to wang on about tuition fees again.
Also as you age you move more into the asset owning class (homeownership, pensions) and become more conservative economically as well as socially as you don’t have the adaptability of the young to shocks to your income.
This is where things get uncomfortable for me. They have an incredibly repressive regime there and to avoid talking about it and still claim to be progressive is nonsense. You can criticise Saudi Arabia without being Islamaphobic so you can criticise Israel without being anti-Semitic.Really good thread. I think I still come down on the “oh come on that’s a stretch” side, but I get when Jewish people are twitchy about this stuff especially when as she says Labour have spent four years looking at AS in detail and what is and isn’t acceptable. Like I say the smart move is to not talk about Israel at all.
I don't think you'd lose many under 45s by adapting to that.
This is where things get uncomfortable for me. They have an incredibly repressive regime there and to avoid talking about it and still claim to be progressive is nonsense. You can criticise Saudi Arabia without being Islamaphobic so you can criticise Israel without being anti-Semitic.
I mean, the fact there has to be loads of tweets to try and figure out a way to it being offensive says enough.
Maybe if it's offensive to say Israeli's train US cops, the best thing to do is to get Israeli's to stop training US cops.
It’s a balance isn’t it. I’d like to look at various social attitudes and it’s need some very clever messaging Blair style so both sides take away what they want from it.
Im sure there are some at the extremes that would quit the party if we ever did anything patriotic or tough on crime or for lower immigration, but frankly they’re concentrated in strongholds and who else they gonna vote for?
I think you’re in the weeds of detail too much. Majority of swing voters go with the mood of the country rather than a detailed policy analysis and stuff like devolution means nothing outside of the politically engaged who have made their mind up already.
The problem is, I'm guessing the majority of not all posting opinions on this thread are not Jewish and haven't experienced or don't understand AS, so dont understand the nuances on what on the face of it looks like a completely innocent comment. I'm not Jewish, I dont understand it.Nah, the leaps in that thread are just too much. To say it is AS due to things not linked to it like "jews are trying to start a race war" and "Jews are accused of racism against black people" scan like you are trying to find a way to classify something as AS not that what was said is AS.
I also think if you avoid taking about Israel you basically give ammunition to the mad anti-semites who think Jews control everything.
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