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[Sky Blue Harry H]

http://www.gssiweb.org/Article/sse-128-hydration-science-and-strategies-in-football

Check out the practical advice for football clubs at the bottom.


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............and they say football is a simple game ! The fact is, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and for what it's worth, I feel team spirit (however it is engendered) counts for way more than shades of pee (just look at Brian Clough and his ordering of players to get drinking together IIRC !)

 

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[stupot07]

............and they say football is a simple game ! The fact is, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and for what it's worth, I feel team spirit (however it is engendered) counts for way more than shades of pee (just look at Brian Clough and his ordering of players to get drinking together IIRC !)

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18887653

http://road.cc/content/news/94528-sir-dave-brailsford-marginal-gains-and-froome-wiggins-rivalry

http://www.totalfootballmag.com/fea...ormula-the-role-of-sport-science-in-football/


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[The Gentleman]

http://www.gssiweb.org/Article/sse-128-hydration-science-and-strategies-in-football

Check out the practical advice for football clubs at the bottom.


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Ffs Stupot! I bet you read it all too. Are you the life and soul of every party or just the train spotting ones that you attend? I was just curious though about this urine test that you seem to believe so much in, what colour piss do you reckon players like George Best, Gazza, Jimmy Greaves, Paul Merson, Paul McGrath, Maradona, Socrates, Garrincha and dare I say it, Tony Adams have?

 

[stupot07]

Ffs Stupot! I bet you read it all too. Are you the life and soul of every party or just the train spotting ones that you attend? I was just curious though about this urine test that you seem to believe so much in, what colour piss do you reckon players like George Best, Gazza, Jimmy Greaves, Paul Merson, Paul McGrath, Maradona, Socrates, Garrincha and dare I say it, Tony Adams have?

Yes, I read it all. It was interesting.

They were all great players but I think we can all agree that football has has moved on in terms of fitness and sports science since they played. Managers would not be accepting their drinking in the modern game.


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[The Gentleman]

Yes, I read it all. It was interesting.

They were all great players but I think we can all agree that football has has moved on in terms of fitness and sports science since they played. Managers would not be accepting their drinking in the modern game.


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Are you saying none of these players would have any impact on the modern game? Also, would you class Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho as modern day managers?

Forgot to say that there is less skill in the modern game and natural talent seems to be replaced with 'big, strong box to box athletes' Give me the 'old era' any day of the week and you can stick your protein shakes where the sun don't shine thanks.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Gone slightly off topic now people, Reda hasn't been going out getting hammered every night.

 

[The Gentleman]

Gone slightly off topic now people, Reda hasn't been going out getting hammered every night.

Doesn't every thread? besides I wouldn't care if Reda had been going out and getting smashed, when he has played he has shown more than most in the team

 

[stupot07]

Are you saying none of these players would have any impact on the modern game? Also, would you class Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho as modern day managers?

Forgot to say that there is less skill in the modern game and natural talent seems to be replaced with 'big, strong box to box athletes' Give me the 'old era' any day of the week and you can stick your protein shakes where the sun don't shine thanks.

I kind of agree with your last point, but wasn't that always the case to an extent - didn't we turn down Keegan because he was too small?

I don't think those players would have the same impact in the modern game without the required level of fitness.

Yes, both Wenger and Mourinho are modern day managers.


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[The Gentleman]

I kind of agree with your last point, but wasn't that always the case to an extent - didn't we turn down Keegan because he was too small?

I don't think those players would have the same impact in the modern game without the required level of fitness.

Yes, both Wenger and Mourinho are modern day managers.


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Was a shame about Keegan but the story of Cov's life really. Completely disagree about those players I mentioned though, Messi is the epitome of the modern player yet he has said about Maradona being one of the all time greats and Maradona dragged Argentina to lift a world cup and Messi sadly failed miserably. Wilshere is a modern day footballer but he has got nowhere near the heights or impact that Gazza made, do I need to say anything about Best, Socrates and Garrincha because they were that good not just on the pitch but in their heads, they could see things that most other players were blind to and that alone sets them apart and to say that they wouldn't have the same impact is short sighted at best and clueless at worst because skill is skill and the way Messi beats players is proof that those players who had that skill could have cut it today as he does. You could be fit without all the modern stuff that goes on and they were fit because those pitches they had to play on were awful and you needed legs like tree trunks just to get round and then they had defenders literally kicking lumps out of them. In one of those things you posted was about Liverpool being fitter than they were two seasons ago but what it negated to say was that they are now shitter than they were two seasons ago.

The point you made about modern managers not putting up with drining and you agreeing with me that Wenger and Mourinho fitting that profile is that they had players like Adams, Parlour, Merson and John Terry but they were able to manage them and put up with their antics.

 

[lewys33]

Well if I was on Reda's wages I would happily ensure my piss is white.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

I'm going to stick my 2 pennies worth in. I've just read the article. I'm going to compare this situation to Roy Keane of old. Not comparing ability but the captains role. There is no way Roy Keane would walk into the dressing room after a humiliating defeat and crack a smile. End of the day I would want our manager to instill standards and your skipper should be at the forefront of that. By the sounds of it johnsons attitude isn't good enough.


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Excellent summation.

As time goes by it becomes clearer as to why we were able to sign Johnson and why he isnt plying his trade at a higher level....

 

[Grendel]

Squad unity seems to be falling apart though. First this then Swanson saying the atmosphere is like a morgue.

 

[Glaziers green top]

It's not just once incident though is it though, if it was just a one off Nouble it could just be brushed off as a bump

We had it all last year, absolute fiasco with Manset, Slager, Urqhart, Seaborne, Donelly, Akpom all came under Pressley and either payed off there contract or sent back early, probably more.

Then we've got the players already here who Pressley has tried to frozen out, we had the bomb squad when he came in and since he's also gotten rid of Adams, Baker, Clarke and attempted to freeze out Barton.

Then we've got this seasons signings, Coulibaly already gone. Tudgay and Jackson frozen out by the looks of it and Miller available for loan, problems with Nouble, Johnson and possible Clarke earlier in the season. Took the captaincy off Baker, gave it to Johnson and now taken off him.

Its not that I disagree with all those decisions but the manner and way he goes about it is looking worrying, Pressley has shown himself to be a disloyal manager and having a fractured relationship with players. It doesn't promote a good team spirit or positive environment to work in which in turn affects the players performances and work rates.

He's been quite fortunate in the players he's taken on in the past have all been fringe players or not at the club for very long.

I'm wondering if some of the players didn't take kindly to his treatment of Baker and Adams in the summer, if he goes up against Johnson and Nouble who seem popular in the dressing room he risks decimating team spirit even further.

It's no wonder Pressley likes bringing through the youngsters, there just grateful for the opportunity so no problems with them, looks like to get along with this manager you either have to be Scottish or under the age of 21. What was it Barton said earlier in the season to describe there relationship, we don't really talk but we don't hate each other either or something like that. Fantastic!

I couldn't agree more. He clearly cannot deal with senior players, they all can't be complete bell ends surely? And thats my reason for supporting his dismissal asap as we are going nowhere fast and eventually this will catch us out and before we know it it Div 4 time.

 

[chiefdave]

I couldn't agree more. He clearly cannot deal with senior players, they all can't be complete bell ends surely? And thats my reason for supporting his dismissal asap as we are going nowhere fast and eventually this will catch us out and before we know it it Div 4 time.

If they are all problem players then the recruitment process is seriously flawed. Other clubs don't have these problems so either we're signing the wrong players or SP is the root of the problem, the question is can he identify what he is doing that is causing the problem and if he can is he willing to change. If not then we're going to keep having this problem.

 

[LB87ccfc]

I wonder if it is actually Pressley identifying the players who are coming into the club or is he being dictated too by someone behind the scenes who does this side, signs them and says here you go deal with them

 

[LB87ccfc]

Squad unity seems to be falling apart though. First this then Swanson saying the atmosphere is like a morgue.

Well he speaks the truth then ..

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I wonder if it is actually Pressley identifying the players who are coming into the club or is he being dictated too by someone behind the scenes who does this side, signs them and says here you go deal with them

I don't think he's being dictated too, I think it's probably a mixture of Pressley identifying his own targets (Johnson, Tudgay, O'Brien, Swanson, Martin, Madine) and Waggot offering him players saying we can get this player on short term/loan do you want him like Jackson, Allsop, Coulibaly, Hines.

I don't think anyone comes into the club without Pressley giving the green light tbh.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Just read the article ....... I am sure a lot of similar things go on at other clubs however, maybe not so public though. But based on the article

- you can not gain respect by a sense of fear
- it all seems immature and pathetic to me, poorly handled all round

...but you can rule by fear.
If Reda has challenged Pressley's authority he deserves what he gets as teamwork & leadership demands we sometimes do things we aren't fully agreeing with - but we are fully behind in their putting them into practice.


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[wingy]

...but you can rule by fear.
If Reda has challenged Pressley's authority he deserves what he gets as teamwork & leadership demands we sometimes do things we aren't fully agreeing with - but we are fully behind in their putting them into practice.


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You can If that Is the norm across the Industry, but less so If It Is not the Norm across the Industry and you possess a modicum of self respect

coupled with confidence In your own ability .

 

[SkyblueBazza]

You can If that Is the norm across the Industry, but less so If It Is not the Norm across the Industry and you possess a modicum of self respect

coupled with confidence In your own ability .

Perception is everything to some in some circumstances though. Contrast Reda smirk & wink in response humiliation (although in fairness it could've been meant as a "Shit happens...don't worry, let's put it behind us & be more determined to get what we still can" thing - I don't know I wasn't there) with Kimi Rosberg's comments & actions on Sunday - despite the fact he was massively cut-up inside at the car letting him down, and anger at himself given the fact he let Hamilton through with barely a whimper.


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[oldskyblue58]

...but you can rule by fear.
If Reda has challenged Pressley's authority he deserves what he gets as teamwork & leadership demands we sometimes do things we aren't fully agreeing with - but we are fully behind in their putting them into practice.


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But if you rule or control by fear do you get the best out of the people you control? You may do initially but in the end it breaks down. I agree there has to be structure, that players have to carry through what is expected and to the standards set, and that some times you have to be very firm in dealing with situations. It is only natural that some times emotions get the better of people (managers and players) but you have to get the balance right.

I can understand the pressures especially after such a poor result. I do question the need to air dirty washing quite so publically, yes it might the mean fans come down on SP's side (although not all have) but the fans are not the important ones in this the squad are...... and I am concerned that the need for such control by the manager might affect other things adversely

As manager you have to lead and find ways to get the whole squad to follow, or change the squad. I cant help but think that the managers message is not getting through clearly and that the chosen solution for that is to take on any big characters head on to slap them down and it seems to me actually lose some of the control in the process. I was always told that a good coach looks at himself first if things are going wrong and doesn't assume it is everyone else's fault

We are all different and all choose different ways to handle situations ......... just do not think I would handle it the same way

 

[Cheshire Sky Blue]

...but you can rule by fear.
If Reda has challenged Pressley's authority he deserves what he gets as teamwork & leadership demands we sometimes do things we aren't fully agreeing with - but we are fully behind in their putting them into practice.


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You can rule by fear... You can rob banks, You can beat up grannies but because it can be done it does not make it right.

If Pressley's authority is only achieved through extrinsic motivation he will end up being a short term success and a mid term failure.

I would agree that any team requires the need to work for the team and that consensus on how to achieve the objective will be key. Consensus can never be achieved through fear or extrinsic motivation.

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Would someone please post a link to the 'smile' article, and also one to the Swanson 'atmosphere like a morgue' article?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Would someone please post a link to the 'smile' article, and also one to the Swanson 'atmosphere like a morgue' article?

Johnson article
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...s/reda-johnson-holds-up-hands-8162291#rlabs=1


Dunno where the Swanson one came from, can only find this

http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/...ity-colchester-united-league-one-2098214.aspx

The City midfielder said: "It's a much better mood than it has been.

So it could have possible been said in this interview as I wouldn't expect them to print a player saying its been like a morgue on the official site.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

The Swanson quote comes from the post-match interview on CWR on Saturday. Go onto the iplayer and the phone in show after the match and you'll find it on there. Sorry, can't remember when exactly-last 30 mins I think?

He did say exactly "the place has been like a morgue", but then went on to contradict that and talk about how great the atmosphere was. I dunno, maybe he's just into necrophilia...

 

[torchomatic]

Yeah, they ran that yesterday morning on CWR.

The Swanson quote comes from the post-match interview on CWR on Saturday. Go onto the iplayer and the phone in show after the match and you'll find it on there. Sorry, can't remember when exactly-last 30 mins I think?

He did say exactly "the place has been like a morgue", but then went on to contradict that and talk about how great the atmosphere was. I dunno, maybe he's just into necrophilia...

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

The Swanson quote comes from the post-match interview on CWR on Saturday. Go onto the iplayer and the phone in show after the match and you'll find it on there. Sorry, can't remember when exactly-last 30 mins I think?

He did say exactly "the place has been like a morgue", but then went on to contradict that and talk about how great the atmosphere was. I dunno, maybe he's just into necrophilia...

Yea just went back and listened to it, said its been like a morgue and not an enjoyable place to be around, it's the quietest I've seen the manager around the players

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Highlight was when he called Thomas, Conor Thompson. Is he really that insignificant now?

 

[torchomatic]

I reckon the place should have been like a morgue. We should never have been beaten like Worcester. However, time to move on now.

Yea just went back and listened to it, said its been like a morgue and not an enjoyable place to be around, it's the quietest I've seen the manager around the players

 

[skyblueinBaku]

Thanks for the link, CCFC.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

But if you rule or control by fear do you get the best out of the people you control? You may do initially but in the end it breaks down. I agree there has to be structure, that players have to carry through what is expected and to the standards set, and that some times you have to be very firm in dealing with situations. It is only natural that some times emotions get the better of people (managers and players) but you have to get the balance right.

I can understand the pressures especially after such a poor result. I do question the need to air dirty washing quite so publically, yes it might the mean fans come down on SP's side (although not all have) but the fans are not the important ones in this the squad are...... and I am concerned that the need for such control by the manager might affect other things adversely

As manager you have to lead and find ways to get the whole squad to follow, or change the squad. I cant help but think that the managers message is not getting through clearly and that the chosen solution for that is to take on any big characters head on to slap them down and it seems to me actually lose some of the control in the process. I was always told that a good coach looks at himself first if things are going wrong and doesn't assume it is everyone else's fault

We are all different and all choose different ways to handle situations ......... just do not think I would handle it the same way

Agree with you. Not my style of managing or leading...it works for some though - Ferguson seemed to do it for example.
He deserves a come-uppance if he has steadfastly refused to tow the boss's line. How that is delivered effectively is up to each individual manager.
Personally, praise in public..!


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