Refereeing (4 Viewers)

[skyblu3sk]

Other angle definite red elbow. He knows ref can’t see

Yep his response to the ref lipreading is "he ran in to me" bullshit he changed direction and elbowed him.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

There’s no such thing a siting in football though is there. Assessor might watch though

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

If memory serves a Forest player was retrospectively sent off for doing similar to O’Hare in 21/22

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Our players too fair there too what a cowardly wanker

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Our players too fair there too what a cowardly wanker

Now now Pete that’s not very Christian

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Now now Pete that’s not very Christian

It’s ok it’s a justice kind of thing really winds me up people not owning what they do
At the very least one of our beasts should have gone over and saud they’d seen it and he should watch himself the rest of the game
Absolute wanker coward

 

[skyblu3sk]

It’s ok it’s a justice kind of thing really winds me up people not owning what they do
At the very least one of our beasts should have gone over and saud they’d seen it and he should watch himself the rest of the game
Absolute wanker coward

You definitely want a bell end like that to get some comeuppance!

 

[clint van damme]

Isn't there a massive song and dance in the egg chasing at the minute over Owen Farrell doing something similar?
If its got no place in rugby it certainly hasn't in football.

 

[Tomh111]

Someone said it earlier in the thread, but the problem is largely that they are picking referees from a tiny pool of people. If you don't cast the net wide enough you end up with fucking idiots refereeing championship games

Part of the reason that people don't want to begin refereeing is the dogs abuse and lack of protection they get at lower league games. There's not a chance I'd put myself in a position where I'm getting called every name under the sun, threatened and blamed for £50 plus mileage.

The solution I think is to take all referees for professional English football and make them full time, pay them £50/60k a year - so that it's a viable and attractive career.

This next bit is anecdotal and I don't know if its true, but I play cricket with a lad who is refereeing at step 6 currently and on a fast track course. Apparently they never demote a referee, so the bloke yesterday won't see repercussions for a bad game. He will remain a championship level referee, because they worry about the implications of sending somebody down to league 1 etc.

If that's true, then again, it's no wonder they're fucking useless.

 

[kg82]

Ref was terrible, I agree with that. But am I missing something with that Sakamoto one? I can’t see an elbow. Looks like he’s body checked him then pushed him to the floor in one movement.

 

[skyblu3sk]

Ref was terrible, I agree with that. But am I missing something with that Sakamoto one? I can’t see an elbow. Looks like he’s body checked him then pushed him to the floor in one movement.

Did you see the second video? I mean I'm with you initial contact looks like shoulder then he pushes him to the ground... in the face... with his elbow...

 

[Nick]

Did you see the second video? I mean I'm with you initial contact looks like shoulder then he pushes him to the ground... in the face... with his elbow...

Have you got a link?

 

[shmmeee]

If memory serves a Forest player was retrospectively sent off for doing similar to O’Hare in 21/22

That was off the ball and missed completely IIRC. I think there’s some rule about only looking if it’s missed (or like Godden if you fooled the ref for a pen).

 

[shmmeee]

Someone said it earlier in the thread, but the problem is largely that they are picking referees from a tiny pool of people. If you don't cast the net wide enough you end up with fucking idiots refereeing championship games

Part of the reason that people don't want to begin refereeing is the dogs abuse and lack of protection they get at lower league games. There's not a chance I'd put myself in a position where I'm getting called every name under the sun, threatened and blamed for £50 plus mileage.

The solution I think is to take all referees for professional English football and make them full time, pay them £50/60k a year - so that it's a viable and attractive career.

This next bit is anecdotal and I don't know if its true, but I play cricket with a lad who is refereeing at step 6 currently and on a fast track course. Apparently they never demote a referee, so the bloke yesterday won't see repercussions for a bad game. He will remain a championship level referee, because they worry about the implications of sending somebody down to league 1 etc.

If that's true, then again, it's no wonder they're fucking useless.

Should be like a drivers licence. First offence you get a reeducation course, after that points and if you get too many points you’re banned and can start again down the bottom.

 

[kg82]

Did you see the second video? I mean I'm with you initial contact looks like shoulder then he pushes him to the ground... in the face... with his elbow...

The one at ground level? I did.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Should be like a drivers licence. First offence you get a reeducation course, after that points and if you get too many points you’re banned and can start again down the bottom.

"Can you see that foul from 20metres away?"

 

[Nick]

Someone said it earlier in the thread, but the problem is largely that they are picking referees from a tiny pool of people. If you don't cast the net wide enough you end up with fucking idiots refereeing championship games

Part of the reason that people don't want to begin refereeing is the dogs abuse and lack of protection they get at lower league games. There's not a chance I'd put myself in a position where I'm getting called every name under the sun, threatened and blamed for £50 plus mileage.

The solution I think is to take all referees for professional English football and make them full time, pay them £50/60k a year - so that it's a viable and attractive career.

This next bit is anecdotal and I don't know if its true, but I play cricket with a lad who is refereeing at step 6 currently and on a fast track course. Apparently they never demote a referee, so the bloke yesterday won't see repercussions for a bad game. He will remain a championship level referee, because they worry about the implications of sending somebody down to league 1 etc.

If that's true, then again, it's no wonder they're fucking useless.

Would they get abuse if they weren't so shit?

 

[shmmeee]

 

[shmmeee]

Would they get abuse if they weren't so shit?

TBF yes they would. I give dogs abuse for perfectly fair decisions in hindsight all the time as a fan. It’s part of the emotion of the game.

 

[kg82]

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Yeah, alright, I see it now!

 

[chiefdave]

Someone said it earlier in the thread, but the problem is largely that they are picking referees from a tiny pool of people. If you don't cast the net wide enough you end up with fucking idiots refereeing championship games

Part of the reason that people don't want to begin refereeing is the dogs abuse and lack of protection they get at lower league games. There's not a chance I'd put myself in a position where I'm getting called every name under the sun, threatened and blamed for £50 plus mileage.

The solution I think is to take all referees for professional English football and make them full time, pay them £50/60k a year - so that it's a viable and attractive career.

This next bit is anecdotal and I don't know if its true, but I play cricket with a lad who is refereeing at step 6 currently and on a fast track course. Apparently they never demote a referee, so the bloke yesterday won't see repercussions for a bad game. He will remain a championship level referee, because they worry about the implications of sending somebody down to league 1 etc.

If that's true, then again, it's no wonder they're fucking useless.

How many players in their 20s end up getting released and not making it? Wonder if they've ever considered training up some of those and fast tracking them to EFL level as they already know the game. With all the money in the game it shouldn't be impossible to have half decent officials occasionally

 

[shmmeee]

Imagining the Referee’s Association representative turning up Men in Black style outside training grounds cornering dejected young footballers.

“How would you like revenge on those they kept on, son?”

 

[kg82]

How many players in their 20s end up getting released and not making it? Wonder if they've ever considered training up some of those and fast tracking them to EFL level as they already know the game. With all the money in the game it shouldn't be impossible to have half decent officials occasionally

I’m sure in one of the women’s games the other day they said the ref was playing in the World Cup 8 years ago. I’m guessing the girls are doing it. Think it would be a good idea, personally.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

How many players in their 20s end up getting released and not making it? Wonder if they've ever considered training up some of those and fast tracking them to EFL level as they already know the game. With all the money in the game it shouldn't be impossible to have half decent officials occasionally

Been saying for ages part of their scholarship should be a referring qualification. Would give them a much better understanding of the rules and the pressure.

So much effort is put into getting kids to think about coaching etc a a fallback, but almost nothing on reffing.

 

[Nick]

There's no excuse for missing that challenge on sakamoto, it was an arm to the face on purpose. He didn't even want to give a foul for it as he was too busy thinking about how he can give Swansea their next free kick.

It should be looked at with a retrospective red card as he wasn't booked.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Someone said it earlier in the thread, but the problem is largely that they are picking referees from a tiny pool of people. If you don't cast the net wide enough you end up with fucking idiots refereeing championship games

Part of the reason that people don't want to begin refereeing is the dogs abuse and lack of protection they get at lower league games. There's not a chance I'd put myself in a position where I'm getting called every name under the sun, threatened and blamed for £50 plus mileage.

The solution I think is to take all referees for professional English football and make them full time, pay them £50/60k a year - so that it's a viable and attractive career.

This next bit is anecdotal and I don't know if its true, but I play cricket with a lad who is refereeing at step 6 currently and on a fast track course. Apparently they never demote a referee, so the bloke yesterday won't see repercussions for a bad game. He will remain a championship level referee, because they worry about the implications of sending somebody down to league 1 etc.

If that's true, then again, it's no wonder they're fucking useless.

You do get sanctioned but not demoted and as a lot is subjective you’d be surprised by what is judged as bad

For instance to prove the bollox from the old boys network my lads first assessment the only negative was his shirt wasn’t tucked in

What a banana. There was lots he could have said about position and decision making and talking and whistle use etc but no tuck your shirt in

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Been saying for ages part of their scholarship should be a referring qualification. Would give them a much better understanding of the rules and the pressure.

So much effort is put into getting kids to think about coaching etc a a fallback, but almost nothing on reffing.

Most academies do it. Maybe some and maybe only a couple

 

[kg82]

Yeah, alright, I see it now!

Makes you wonder why Sakamoto/the players didn’t make a bigger deal of it. I genuinely just thought it was a body check at the time.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Someone said it earlier in the thread, but the problem is largely that they are picking referees from a tiny pool of people. If you don't cast the net wide enough you end up with fucking idiots refereeing championship games

Part of the reason that people don't want to begin refereeing is the dogs abuse and lack of protection they get at lower league games. There's not a chance I'd put myself in a position where I'm getting called every name under the sun, threatened and blamed for £50 plus mileage.

The solution I think is to take all referees for professional English football and make them full time, pay them £50/60k a year - so that it's a viable and attractive career.

This next bit is anecdotal and I don't know if its true, but I play cricket with a lad who is refereeing at step 6 currently and on a fast track course. Apparently they never demote a referee, so the bloke yesterday won't see repercussions for a bad game. He will remain a championship level referee, because they worry about the implications of sending somebody down to league 1 etc.

If that's true, then again, it's no wonder they're fucking useless.

Pretty sure there’s quite a large pool of professional refs

 

[Tomh111]

Would they get abuse if they weren't so shit?

Yeah, because football fans are bias, we live to point out what we perceive as refereeing errors

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There's no excuse for missing that challenge on sakamoto, it was an arm to the face on purpose. He didn't even want to give a foul for it as he was too busy thinking about how he can give Swansea their next free kick.

It should be looked at with a retrospective red card as he wasn't booked.

He’s in a poor position to see it and the assistant is the other side
Their player is a coward he knows he can’t be seen and he takes a cheap shot
Sometimes the players need to take things into their own hands

 

[Nick]

Makes you wonder why Sakamoto/the players didn’t make a bigger deal of it. I genuinely just thought it was a body check at the time.

Like they did when their striker committed about 7 bookable offences and nothing happened?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Most academies do it

Really? Do they have to get an actual qualification? Do they have to do stuff like reffing lower age groups?

Makes you wonder why there's so few refs available and also why they give so much grief to refs.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m sure in one of the women’s games the other day they said the ref was playing in the World Cup 8 years ago. I’m guessing the girls are doing it. Think it would be a good idea, personally.

Just noticing the women refs are as fast as the players

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Like they did when their striker committed about 7 bookable offences and nothing happened?

Should be yellows but that ref got castigated by the press and forced to apologise for booking a player for what refs have been told they must this season