Conversely Stu re your second paragraph it could be taken the opposite way too.
Resolution one way or another but definite we're either in or off.
Then the Naming rights issue can progress IMO.
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Conversely Stu re your second paragraph it could be taken the opposite way too.Why would he be calling sisu's bluff? It was wasps not sisu that pulled out of talks. I'm sure the club would be more than willing to do another 2+2 year deal on reasonable terms.
Perhaps he's telling porkies about the naming rights being on shedule and they need the club to stay?
You're also forgetting, that even on the current deal wasps are gaining around £250k+ pa for just 23 days use of the bowl, an empty bowl generates no money, and they do have a £3m black hole to fill.
Given it was wasps who called talks off, and I'd put money on that being a board decision, IMO Eastwood should have emailed, phoned, written to the club inviting them to talk about renewing the deal, but wasps do like to do their talking through the papers.
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Conversely Stu re your second paragraph it could be taken the opposite way too.
Resolution one way or another but definate we're either in or off.
Then the Naming rights issue can progress IMO.
CCFC have already been speaking with that bloke haven't they? Might be worth asking him what CCFC have said to him...
They need us there full stop.Didn't Anderson try that but Wasps threw out some bullshit about legal noise?
So apparently CCFC, SISU, CRFC, WASPs, CCC, even SB Trust have all been invited to take part in the mediation. Really think that details of a deal at the Ricoh between CCFC and Wasps would be discussed in front of the rest of the parties ........ or would they yes lets talk but not here. It might include the mediator but I think it would suit both sides not to given their agendas
So apparently CCFC, SISU, CRFC, WASPs, CCC, even SB Trust have all been invited to take part in the mediation.
Yep true.Unless they are part of the resolution.
Yep true.
Who knows the reality but if the hiatus over where we are going to play continues to harm that progress and income to Wasps model I think we're nearer to the nitty gritty of what it's about.
Yes, both parties said negotiations were underway and going well then Wasps pulled the plug and everybody got angry at CCFC and SISU.
It's the same as the random MP woman who pops up every so often demanding that CCFC can't live the city but she didn't mention Wasps refusing to talk.
Everybody should be focused about getting all of the pricks in the same room and getting something sorted one way or another.
Scenarios.
1. A deal is made
2. Wasps want something silly
3. CCFC want something silly
4. Parties don't turn up or refuse it.
If that happens, you know who to be angry at / pressure.
It won't be as simple as that though, it will just be put out as "SISU" and then everybody will be frothing while other parties can do what they want. It's so predictable.
Eastwood is back. Anderson has gone. Wasps say they want CCFC there and are prepared to talk.
Most points from Anderson were agreed, so there is a framework for negotiations.
Where is the dispute?
Eastwood is back. Anderson has gone. Wasps say they want CCFC there and are prepared to talk.
Most points from Anderson were agreed, so there is a framework for negotiations.
Where is the dispute?
Why would a mediator assist in negotiations to get CCFC a fair deal, it would be SISUs jobAlso strange that people are desperate for MP's to be involved in stopping the club moving but not help negotiate a fair deal for the club to stay? Almost as if people want the club to be held to ransom by Wasps.
Why would a mediator assist in negotiations to get CCFC a fair deal, it would be SISUs job
To negotiate any deal, a mediator's job would be to get us to the point where both parties
Are willing to get round a table and negotiate the deal.
Why would a mediator assist in negotiations to get CCFC a fair deal, it would be SISUs job
To negotiate any deal, a mediator's job would be to get us to the point where both parties
Are willing to get round a table and negotiate the deal.
A mediator won't really be able to force a deal either way.
They will be able to see if it's CCFC or Wasps taking the piss though. You would think that would also work with the FA / EFL if it came to wanting to move too.
I have to ask - why is CRFC and CCC invited to a mediation if it's just about a rent deal for CCFC?
I have to ask - why is CRFC and CCC invited to a mediation if it's just about a rent deal for CCFC?
You **** I thought this was new big news , as mentioned in the other thread "big news today"because they have asked for it as part of when we move to the butts ?
Coventry City: Sky Blues chairman Tim Fisher outlines Butts Park Arena move
because they have asked for it as part of when we move to the butts ?
Coventry City: Sky Blues chairman Tim Fisher outlines Butts Park Arena move
The mediation is also to help prevent people from doing u turns and trying to play a pr game also....
Just because they suddenly woke up and decided that in fact the legal noise didn't matter, what happens if in a few weeks there is something else that stops talks which then does "need" a mediator. Otherwise it will just be U turns, Pr games from here onwards.
Yes. So it's not just about rent and we should gauge talks with Wasps from the point that the club wishes to move away within a foreseeable future.
Wasps want/need us at the Ricoh to help them secure a long term name sponsor and to keep the revenue and profit we generate for them. Their finances are not looking very good and they can hardly afford us leaving.
On the other hand, the Ricoh is too big for us unless we somehow returned to the PL and stayed there. We need to move away and BPA is apparently the most suitable option.
Perhaps we should go hard line and go straight to arbitration, that way they can talk for a bitThe mediator is usually called to settle disputes. At the moment there is no dispute. There may be all the things you mention during negotiations, but that is " normal ". It is only when there is deadlock or a breakdown that you need an outsider to mediate and get things going again.
Realistically, how can having everyone in one room help ?
ie....
The mediator -
"so, CCFC / Wasps, we agree that Wasps are open to a rental agreement and CCFC want to leave Ricoh to move to Butts, so we are discussing a 1 year rental agreement"
As they are discussing this, you have the CFRC sitting there listening to the rental agreement and you will have Wasps sitting there listening to the rental agreement that CCFC and CRFC thrash out ?
How can that work ?
because they have asked for it as part of when we move to the butts ?
Coventry City: Sky Blues chairman Tim Fisher outlines Butts Park Arena move
But is it just about a rent deal?.
28,500 paid full price against Saracens last week.
They make a small fortune in hospitality on top of that.
Will be even more against Leicester.
Seems odd to me. I don't care what anyone wants to call it but having someone independent in there who can verify things when it all falls apart again has no downside as far as I can see. If a deal gets done then fantastic. If it doesn't then someone has overseen things and can report accurately to the likes of the Football League. Will leave no room for ambiguity.Why would anybody be against any form of mediation to get it all sorted out?
Seems odd to me. I don't care what anyone wants to call it but having someone independent in there who can verify things when it all falls apart again has no downside as far as I can see. If a deal gets done then fantastic. If it doesn't then someone has overseen things and can report accurately to the likes of the Football League. Will leave no room for ambiguity.
People are desperate for them not to be involved?Also strange that people are desperate for MP's to be involved in stopping the club moving but not help negotiate a fair deal for the club to stay? Almost as if people want the club to be held to ransom by Wasps.
People are desperate for them not to be involved?
More like some are desperate to twist the truth to put blame on others. They are all to blame.
They're all capable of negotiating. But what is needed is those who can make the decisions to be included. It is no good leaving it to Fisher. The last time he thought he got a good deal he got overruled by Joy. It should be Joy and whoever is in charge of Wasps. And both of them knowing that all details will be known when negotiations have concluded. If no agreement is made then maybe mediation could happen. But why should it be a councillor, MP or even MEP. Not done anything good for us so far.
Also strange that people are desperate for MP's to be involved in stopping the club moving but not help negotiate a fair deal for the club to stay? Almost as if people want the club to be held to ransom by Wasps.
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