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MalcSB

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #71
SBT said:
If you can prove that it's a big factor in referees underperforming then I'm all for action to stamp it out - what's your evidence though?

The status quo seems pretty good to me....if you want to tinker further with how to officiate the world's most popular game then be my guest, VAR is working just great after all.
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That's just as likely to be open to bias as anything. Do you honestly think that VAR would have found a Utd player a toenail offside if the positions had been reversed. I don't.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #72
MalcSB said:
That's just as likely to be open to bias as anything. Do you honestly think that VAR would have found a Utd player a toenail offside if the positions had been reversed. I don't.
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I was being sarcastic about VAR, I think it’s dreadful.

I also think the overwhelming majority of bad refereeing decisions are down to human error rather than bias, but clearly many fans disagree. Admittedly I can see why it’s more fun that way.
 

Robinshio

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  • Jan 14, 2025
  • #73
Sky Blue Goblin said:
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just watched frame by frame, and the only possible foul is a penalty to BTA for holding by the defender , the only player to touch the keeper was also the defender - Hackett is a complete knob

Also odd that this goal was never shown as part of the bbc/sky highlights
 
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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #74
willz121 said:
Just read on the Football Insider website that:

"Coventry were rightly disallowed a second goal in normal time before being taken to extra time and penalties in their FA Cup third round win over Sheffield Wednesday, Keith Hackett has said."

Three guesses where Keith Hackett is from... you got it in one... Sheffield!
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He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #75
I like the idea of VAR the implementation of it is horrible and takes far too long. I do believe the refs are swayed by the big teams and I think the var should make a decision without knowing which team it’s for.
 
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Lamps

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #76
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I like the idea of VAR the implementation of it is horrible and takes far too long. I do believe the refs are swayed by the big teams and I think the var should make a decision without knowing which team it’s for.
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Make everyone play in their birthday suit?
 
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SKYBLUES90

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #77
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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Game is gone if he thinks the winner was a foul on the keeper, might aswell be playing netball at this point.

Even Ellis 2nd one there’s a debate. Keeper never had either of them under control and once he’s spilled the ball simms has every right to challenge.
 
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hopesprings

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #78
SKYBLUES90 said:
Game is gone if he thinks the winner was a foul on the keeper, might aswell be playing netball at this point.

Even Ellis 2nd one there’s a debate. Keeper never had either of them under control and once he’s spilled the ball simms has every right to challenge.
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Keith Hackett has always been poor in his decisons and even worse as a "pundit" how he ever got to be heirachy in the game says much about hte people in charge ...
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #79
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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Is he on crack?
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #80
PL seems pretty clear that both should stand tbh.

Challenges on Goalkeepers

www.premierleague.com
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #81
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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Just another article to generate controversy, ignore.
 
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Shannerz

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #82
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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He doesn't say that at all. He says they were inconsistent decisions.

That's bollocks too: one was sliding in with studs, the other was shoulder to shoulder. We were unlucky with the first, but I get the ref's thinking, even if I don't really agree. There was never any question of not giving the winner.

Hackett's a bit of a tool.
 
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Frostie

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #83
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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Keith Hackett is as thick as pig shit & with an axe to grind ever since he was sacked by the PGMOL. His whole mantra is slating refs now because he thinks he could do it better.

He doesn't even know the LOTG... This was another of his gems at the weekend:

 

Nick

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #84
Frostie said:
Keith Hackett is as thick as pig shit & with an axe to grind ever since he was sacked by the PGMOL. His whole mantra is slating refs now because he thinks he could do it better.

He doesn't even know the LOTG... This was another of his gems at the weekend:

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No shock he doesn't know the rules
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #85
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I like the idea of VAR the implementation of it is horrible and takes far too long. I do believe the refs are swayed by the big teams and I think the var should make a decision without knowing which team it’s for.
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How would they do that? Blindfolded? AI may have a role but even that would know FMU.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #86
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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I read that in disbelief.

Beadle was highly rated on here before we signed Dovin and he’s been let off for 2 goals this year alone against us. I don’t particularly rate him.

For our winner on Saturday, he could’ve parried the ball anywhere but across his goal. All Simms had to do was get in front of him and he did before burying the chance. Frankly, it’s awful keeping and that shouldn’t be protected by referees.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #87
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I read that in disbelief.

Beadle was highly rated on here before we signed Dovin and he’s been let off for 2 goals this year alone against us. I don’t particularly rate him.

For our winner on Saturday, he could’ve parried the ball anywhere but across his goal. All Simms had to do was get in front of him and he did before burying the chance. Frankly, it’s awful keeping and that shouldn’t be protected by referees.
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The shit keepers appeal for now is unreal. The clown that QPR had in goal was literally up in arms at every corner for literally no reason.

Allison for Liverpool was the same when a wolves player had the temerity to stand motionless in the box, Alison then sorted of jumped into him, it's a farce. The level of protection they get is obscene, especially when you consider that they often fly into punches, clearing out all in front of them.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #88
He dropped the ball well before Simms had even got to him, he just shit from potential contact which is never a foul.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #89
JimmyHillsbeard said:
He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.
www.footballinsider247.com
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Yeah he just mentioned inconsistency
For me they are different due to Ellis sliding in and potentially endangering the keeper for the first and the second one Ellis just gets in front of him as he parries the ball

It’s probably the most bizarre thing he says for me. They weren’t both the same they were very different and as shmmee has pointed out the consistent approach should have meant both goals stood
 
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Nick

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #90
Let's face it, keepers are way too protected. Even against QPR the ref blew up when we hit the post and there was nothing wrong with it at all.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #91
It always used to be the case that if you blocked a keeper in the 6 yard box that that would be blown
It is a minefield
My lad who refs says that if an attacking player blocks the keeper he would always blow.
If you get the time watch saka against qpr
It seems like he blocks the keeper on person and moves to block the run early in the game to check what the ref will give and when it’s given he just stands his ground which is why the free kick wasn’t given for the last one
I think he could have called the push by Bobby but it would have been soft
 

MusicDating

Euro 2016 Prediction League Champion!!
  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #92
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I read that in disbelief.

Beadle was highly rated on here before we signed Dovin and he’s been let off for 2 goals this year alone against us. I don’t particularly rate him.

For our winner on Saturday, he could’ve parried the ball anywhere but across his goal. All Simms had to do was get in front of him and he did before burying the chance. Frankly, it’s awful keeping and that shouldn’t be protected by referees.
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Tbh, I don't think the other Sheff Wed players rate Beadle either. Check out the reaction of Ihiekwe after Beadle failed to collect the deflected cross -

 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #93
Nuskyblue said:
The shit keepers appeal for now is unreal. The clown that QPR had in goal was literally up in arms at every corner for literally no reason.

Allison for Liverpool was the same when a wolves player had the temerity to stand motionless in the box, Alison then sorted of jumped into him, it's a farce. The level of protection they get is obscene, especially when you consider that they often fly into punches, clearing out all in front of them.
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It’s defenders now too! Lati is bad for flopping over and he gets caught out in bad positions. He needs to cut it out of his game!
 
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SBAndy

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #94
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s defenders now too! Lati is bad for flopping over and he gets caught out in bad positions. He needs to cut it out of his game!
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Members of the jury, I present Richard Keogh. He was doing that almost 15 years ago!
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #95
SBAndy said:
Members of the jury, I present Richard Keogh. He was doing that almost 15 years ago!
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Snap, you read my mind! Richard Keogh must’ve been an early pioneer of the CB flop, unfortunately.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #96
Absolutely hate the CB flop and all forms of “playing for the foul” “waiting for a touch” or whatever. It’s simulation and should be a booking every time.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #97
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s defenders now too! Lati is bad for flopping over and he gets caught out in bad positions. He needs to cut it out of his game!
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Yep, same also for anywhere on the pitch tbh. How often do you see a CDM fall on the ball when they've been caught on the ball fannying about.

You see way less of this on the continent now, here it's getting worse!
 

Nuskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #98
shmmeee said:
Absolutely hate the CB flop and all forms of “playing for the foul” “waiting for a touch” or whatever. It’s simulation and should be a booking every time.
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It's so blatant, I have no idea how refs can't see it
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #99
Sky Blue Pete said:
It always used to be the case that if you blocked a keeper in the 6 yard box that that would be blown
It is a minefield
My lad who refs says that if an attacking player blocks the keeper he would always blow.
If you get the time watch saka against qpr
It seems like he blocks the keeper on person and moves to block the run early in the game to check what the ref will give and when it’s given he just stands his ground which is why the free kick wasn’t given for the last one
I think he could have called the push by Bobby but it would have been soft
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The Bobby push is an interesting one. He did literally push the defender but the defenders reaction was OTT I always find it funny/infuriating when you see a player suddenly loose control of their legs due to contact on the upper torso.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #100
Nuskyblue said:
It's so blatant, I have no idea how refs can't see it
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Not just that but then you’ll get CBs shoving strikers every time they go up for a header and it’s never given, or Bobby Thomas having his shirt taken off. It’s all so arbitrary.
 
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Robinshio

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #101
shmmeee said:
Not just that but then you’ll get CBs shoving strikers every time they go up for a header and it’s never given, or Bobby Thomas having his shirt taken off. It’s all so arbitrary.
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and then giving away the free kick for i can only guess, taking his shirt off
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #102
Nuskyblue said:
The Bobby push is an interesting one. He did literally push the defender but the defenders reaction was OTT I always find it funny/infuriating when you see a player suddenly loose control of their legs due to contact on the upper torso.
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Feel like there should be a training course for refs where they’re shown staged actual pushes/trips so they can see what it looks like because they fall for some absolute nonsense.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #103
shmmeee said:
Feel like there should be a training course for refs where they’re shown staged actual pushes/trips so they can see what it looks like because they fall for some absolute nonsense.
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Is that serious
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #104
Sky Blue Pete said:
Is that serious
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Partly. Like some of the obvious dices are just physically impossible given where they were apparently pushed from. But basically I’d have every game ending with three men aside cos I’ve double booked everyone for making the most of the slightest touch. I think refs at this level are far too slow to book a player for diving so the risk reward is well in favour of always cheating. Like goalkeepers with time wasting.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 18, 2025
  • #105
shmmeee said:
Partly. Like some of the obvious dices are just physically impossible given where they were apparently pushed from. But basically I’d have every game ending with three men aside cos I’ve double booked everyone for making the most of the slightest touch.
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Well once one team is down the 6 the game is abandoned
 
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