Replays of incidents (6 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Well once one team is down the 6 the game is abandoned

Abandoned or forfeited because I may have found a way past Burnley in the play offs.

 

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[Robinshio]

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3 sending offs + injuries meant abandonment, but the result stands
our very own Patrick suffo being one of the culprits

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

How would they do that? Blindfolded? AI may have a role but even that would know FMU.

Pixelated images or when they get the images they can’t see the colours or faces and it takes ages already may as well add a few minutes to the whole business, I don’t think they can be trusted and there is a big club bias.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I read that in disbelief.

Beadle was highly rated on here before we signed Dovin and he’s been let off for 2 goals this year alone against us. I don’t particularly rate him.

For our winner on Saturday, he could’ve parried the ball anywhere but across his goal. All Simms had to do was get in front of him and he did before burying the chance. Frankly, it’s awful keeping and that shouldn’t be protected by referees.

He strangled BTA at the CBS and was awarded a free kick!

 

[SBAndy]

Partly. Like some of the obvious dices are just physically impossible given where they were apparently pushed from. But basically I’d have every game ending with three men aside cos I’ve double booked everyone for making the most of the slightest touch. I think refs at this level are far too slow to book a player for diving so the risk reward is well in favour of always cheating. Like goalkeepers with time wasting.

Something about referees not wanting to apply the LOTG.

 

[Calista]

Pixelated images or when they get the images they can’t see the colours or faces and it takes ages already may as well add a few minutes to the whole business, I don’t think they can be trusted and there is a big club bias.

There really isn't a bias, and in any case it's barmy to think the VAR people could somehow have the identity of the teams hidden from them.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

There really isn't a bias, and in any case it's barmy to think the VAR people could somehow have the identity of the teams hidden from them.

I’d ask Wolves and Forest about that it’s a miracle that the same teams seem to get the bad decisions and yet Liverpool the favourable ones. The Coote situation has added to it.

 

[skybluecam]

It’s defenders now too! Lati is bad for flopping over and he gets caught out in bad positions. He needs to cut it out of his game!

Lati is so crap at it lol, just folds in half sometimes looking for the foul

Keogh was a master at it.

 

[Hobo]

I thought the ref was right to disallow Simms first goal given his angle of view (it looked slightly different from behind the goal but still debatable). Both penalty decisions he got right and showed consistency. The winning goal by Simms was different as the keeper never had full control of the ball whatever angle you see it from.

Refs get so much shit, but this guy got everything spot on

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

He apparently says he would have disallowed the winner and the one that was disallowed on Saturday (although reading the text I’m not sure he does say that).

Keith Hackett slams inconsistency after Ellis Simms' Coventry winner v Sheffield Wed

Keith Hackett has reacted to major refereeing inconsistency amid drama as Frank Lampard's Coventry beat Sheffield Wednesday.

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I'm a bit late but just today seen ref watch and Dermot Gallagher said that there is a rule that says once a keeper gets a hand on the ball ( on the ground only ) they are deemed to be in control.

 

[Nick]

I'm a bit late but just today seen ref watch and Dermot Gallagher said that there is a rule that says once a keeper gets a hand on the ball ( on the ground only ) they are deemed to be in control.

He didn't have it under control

 

[Skyblue Bangkok]

I'm a bit late but just today seen ref watch and Dermot Gallagher said that there is a rule that says once a keeper gets a hand on the ball ( on the ground only ) they are deemed to be in control.

Think there was something similar in a home game where Blackburn scored ( previous season ) where Wilson had one hand on the ball and the Blackburn player scored. The ref after giving it consulted with the linesman and disallowed it.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I'm a bit late but just today seen ref watch and Dermot Gallagher said that there is a rule that says once a keeper gets a hand on the ball ( on the ground only ) they are deemed to be in control.

It’s not new

 

[MalcSB]

Sub-conscious bias obviously exists, but I'm not aware of any meaningful way we can control for it, and filtering referees according to where they live certainly doesn't. It makes no more sense to assume a referee from Yorkshire will perform badly in Saturday's game than it does to assume that Yorkshire's own Liam Kitching will do the same.

Liam can perform badly against any team in the land. If he performs badly against a Yorkshire team there would be no reason to suspect it’s because of regional bias.

 

[MalcSB]

It’s not new

Does that continue if they take their hand off the ball?

Did Shay Given still have control when he rolled the ball for Dion to score?

The SW goalie clearly did not have control of the ball for either of two incidents. They are so used to being over protected they claim a foul if someone looks at them aggressively.

The first one, he is perfectly OK and unharmed as he watches the ball go over the line and then feigns a head injury as that will generally bring a stop to the game. I’m not convinced Simms made any contact with his head. Probably explains why little treatment was required. Cheating bastards as well as racist.

 

[MalcSB]

Think there was something similar in a home game where Blackburn scored ( previous season ) where Wilson had one hand on the ball and the Blackburn player scored. The ref after giving it consulted with the linesman and disallowed it.

Similar, but as you describe it totally different in that Wilson still had his hand on the ball.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Does that continue if they take their hand off the ball?

Did Shay Given still have control when he rolled the ball for Dion to score?

The SW goalie clearly did not have control of the ball for either of two incidents. They are so used to being over protected they claim a foul if someone looks at them aggressively.

The first one, he is perfectly OK and unharmed as he watches the ball go over the line and then feigns a head injury as that will generally bring a stop to the game. I’m not convinced Simms made any contact with his head. Probably explains why little treatment was required. Cheating bastards as well as racist.

Great question
I doubt anyone knows what the law was then

Interestingly if you watch the goal I think the keeper is looking to get on with the game and is throwing the ball to restart which simms guesses brilliantly and gets in front of him and knicks it

I don’t think the ref understands what’s happening and so gives the goal

I wouldn’t have been surprised for both to be disallowed. The way Simms goes in for the first does endanger the keeper he doesn’t connect but could have and you can’t condone strikers flying in with their studs at the face of a keeper you’re asking for trouble aren’t you

the other thing lost in all this is what a shit pass it was by Barry bannan!!

 

[Shannerz]

The guy just dropped it. Then Simms challenged for the loose ball.

There's zero controversy with this goal.

Disallowed one, whilst the keeper didn't have any control of the ball, I guess the ref thought it dangerous to slide in. I don't agree it should have been disallowed, but I understand why it was.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The guy just dropped it. Then Simms challenged for the loose ball.

There's zero controversy with this goal.

Disallowed one, whilst the keeper didn't have any control of the ball, I guess the ref thought it dangerous to slide in. I don't agree it should have been disallowed, but I understand why it was.

I may be dreaming I think he palms it to the side rather than drops it

 

[Shannerz]

I may be dreaming I think he palms it to the side rather than drops it

He got two hand on it and then dropped it; Simms wasn't really near him, but I assumed that the keeper had half of his mind on Simms so didn't execute the take properly.

It was fully dreadful goalkeeping, and absolute howler. He wasn't under pressure until he'd cocked up, and by then, it was far too late.

 

[Shannerz]

Here's were Simms was a split second after the keeper dropped his clanger.


Then here's when he challenges for the ball:


Can't believe Hackett's saying there's anything wrong here. Those stills are from the highlights Wednesday posted; there's not one comment complaining about the goal (plenty about the result, mind).

 

[MalcSB]

What do the rules say about a goalkeeper, in his own penalty area, grabbing an opposition outfield players foot and not letting it go. If Eccles had made the sort of serious effort to get control of his foot back that could have been expected, the gk could have been injured or Eccles ankle could have ended up totally fucked.

Surely it should have been a penalty?

Goalkeepers are way too over protected. The old timers like Garry Sprake used to know how to look after themselves.

This is from a Wales v England international. Sprake is the goalkeeper punching England’s Jack Charlton (a Leeds team mate) in the head. In a situation like Simms second goal, he would have jumped for the ball with one of his legs outreached with studs showing in Simms general direction to put Simms off his run.

I saw Sprake do that lots of times, never saw him booked for it. Dangerous play to my mind. He wasn’t the only keeper to do it, either.

 

[MalcSB]

Here's were Simms was a split second after the keeper dropped his clanger.
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Then here's when he challenges for the ball:
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Can't believe Hackett's saying there's anything wrong here. Those stills are from the highlights Wednesday posted; there's not one comment complaining about the goal (plenty about the result, mind).

Nothing wrong with that. Goalie has metaphorically shit himself and dropped the ball. Simms has brushed past him ( at the worst). Wouldn’t be a foul anywhere else on the pitch. Would that level of contact by a defender on a forward in the area result in a penalty award. I doubt it, you can hold on to a players foot in the area and get away with it scot free.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Well once one team is down the 6 the game is abandoned

I think it's 7 isn't it?

 

[edgy]

I think it's 7 isn't it?

A team must have a minimum of 7 players. So he's right. Down to 6, then the game is abandoned.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

A team must have a minimum of 7 players. So he's right. Down to 6, then the game is abandoned.

Ah yes...got ya.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What do the rules say about a goalkeeper, in his own penalty area, grabbing an opposition outfield players foot and not letting it go. If Eccles had made the sort of serious effort to get control of his foot back that could have been expected, the gk could have been injured or Eccles ankle could have ended up totally fucked.

Surely it should have been a penalty?

Goalkeepers are way too over protected. The old timers like Garry Sprake used to know how to look after themselves.

This is from a Wales v England international. Sprake is the goalkeeper punching England’s Jack Charlton (a Leeds team mate) in the head. In a situation like Simms second goal, he would have jumped for the ball with one of his legs outreached with studs showing in Simms general direction to put Simms off his run.

I saw Sprake do that lots of times, never saw him booked for it. Dangerous play to my mind. He wasn’t the only keeper to do it, either.

It’s a bit of fun for me and the players both agreed

 

[MalcSB]

I'm a bit late but just today seen ref watch and Dermot Gallagher said that there is a rule that says once a keeper gets a hand on the ball ( on the ground only ) they are deemed to be in control.

If the ball is a metre beyond reach, it’s a fucking stupid rule.

 

[MalcSB]

It’s a bit of fun for me and the players both agreed

So the keeper would have let go if the ball came to Eccles?

It was fun”after the event”, but the referee should have made a decision.

Fun was Peake giving Allen a piggy back in 1987.

 

[edgy]

If the ball is a metre beyond reach, it’s a fucking stupid rule.

The ball wouldnt be "beyond reach" though, if the GK has a hand on it. The laws state:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

• the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
• holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
• bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

 

[MalcSB]

The ball wouldnt be "beyond reach" though, if the GK has a hand on it. The laws state:

Ver. A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when:

• the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save
• holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
• bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air

A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hand(s).

The point is that the keeper didn’t have a fucking hand on it. Watch the video is slow motion. Keeper has made a save by parrying the ball yards away from himself and is reaching for the ball, Simms slides in and contacts the ball first which keeper watches go over the line - and then clutches his head. Keeper did not have control of the ball according to the laws you have posted.

The second goal, keeper dropped the ball under no contact from Simms whatsoever. I can’t believe so many people are supporting the referee and SW goalie Beadle - he was shit and a cheat.

 

[ccfc1234]

The point is that the keeper didn’t have a fucking hand on it. Watch the video is slow motion. Keeper is reaching for the ball, Simms slides in and contacts the ball first which keeper watches go over the line - and then clutches his head.

I don't like VAR but it's in those moments it would be great. The Wednesday keeper is having a bad time, saw he conceded another 4 last night!

 

[MalcSB]

I don't like VAR but it's in those moments it would be great. The Wednesday keeper is having a bad time, saw he conceded another 4 last night!

Poor chap. I feel really sorry for him.

VAR - who knows what the outcome would have been Might have ended up only winning by 1-0 rather than 2.

After all, VAR worked so well at Wembley, didn’t it?

 

[edgy]

The point is that the keeper didn’t have a fucking hand on it. Watch the video is slow motion. Keeper has made a save by parrying the ball yards away from himself and is reaching for the ball, Simms slides in and contacts the ball first which keeper watches go over the line - and then clutches his head. Keeper did not have control of the ball according to the laws you have posted.

The second goal, keeper dropped the ball under no contact from Simms whatsoever. I can’t believe so many people are supporting the referee and SW goalie Beadle - he was shit and a cheat.

I totally agree. Both goals should've stood for me.