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Ricoh Arena Has New Tennants!! (3 Viewers)

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chiefdave

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #176
Grendel said:
So do you think all pub sides whose game is off this weekend should contact them and see if they can get the game on?

Apparantly the dog and duck in Basildon booked Wembley the other week.
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Why would there be a problem with anyone who wants to hire the Ricoh so long as they can pay whatever ACL are charging for hire? Or would you rather ACL turned down business and it just sat there not being used?

I'm sure if I said to the FA I wanted to hire Wembley I could so long as I could pay what they were asking.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #177
Otis said:
But why isn't it someone like Cov Sphinx? Isn't the Ricoh supposed to exist for the people of Coventry? Surely if anyone should be playing there at the mo it should be a Coventry team.
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Have Sphinx given any indication they want to move to the Ricoh?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #178
Otis said:
But why isn't it someone like Cov Sphinx? Isn't the Ricoh supposed to exist for the people of Coventry? Surely if anyone should be playing there at the mo it should be a Coventry team.
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Lets be honest for a "premier" league stadium this is a joke. The frantic justifications are comedy gold.
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #179
Bit of a none story. I've played on the Ricoh pitch in a works match. There were another couple of works matches later that day.

It's a piece of grass ffs.
 

Jim

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #180
Grendel said:
Who is paying for floodlights, pitch maintenance, heating, initial preparation to get it ready, health and safety checks, hot water, cleaning the changing rooms? The tooth fairy?
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Let's take an objective look at this and break it down for you.

First off pitch maintenance and underground heating will currently be a fixed cost to keep it in condition. This is a sunk cost and ACL will have to pay this if there are teams playing there or not. The additional maintenance costs required as a result of a team playing matches will be built into the charge levied. For this academy club, this cost will be very low as they will only be playing 8 matches and the stress to the pitch will very small.

Floodlights costs may or may not be relevant as it depends on when the team plays.

Other costs are entirely dependant upon the volume of people expected to attend. In this case I would say a couple of hundred at most. In which case, costs will be very low as only part of one stand would be opened. Stewarding will almost certainly be taken up by the academy themselves. This is an entirely different beast to opening up the entire stadium to a League one team which is subject to far more stringent stewarding, policing, H&S requirements as well as the variable costs resulting from thousands of fans versus a couple of hundred.

In any case, ACL will make a profit by allowing the academy to play. It is important to understand that income received will be greater than the increased costs incurred.

As for the tenancy, it is a misnomer to state that this academy are 'THE' tenants. They will be 'A' tenant, as they will certainly not have any exclusive rights to the arena. They will have approached ACL to ask to play there and ACL are entirely correct to allow them. CCFC aren't playing there currently and it is the correct business decision to make.
 

ccfcway

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #181
Otis said:
But why isn't it someone like Cov Sphinx? Isn't the Ricoh supposed to exist for the people of Coventry? Surely if anyone should be playing there at the mo it should be a Coventry team.
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Cov Sphinx play more than 8 games a season. This is a business decision by the company involved. They will used "The Ricoh" to promote the academy to rich parents looking to get their kids a big break.

This isnt a full time football club calling the Ricoh their home. Its more like work experience !
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #182
Grendel said:
Lets be honest for a "premier" league stadium this is a joke. The frantic justifications are comedy gold.
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They are not THE tenant. You will need to wait as I said !!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #183
Jim said:
Let's take an objective look at this and break it down for you.

First off pitch maintenance and underground heating will currently be a fixed cost to keep it in condition. This is a sunk cost and ACL will have to pay this if there are teams playing there or not. The additional maintenance costs required as a result of a team playing matches will be built into the charge levied. For this academy club, this cost will be very low as they will only be playing 8 matches and the stress to the pitch will very small.

Floodlights costs may or may not be relevant as it depends on when the team plays.

Other costs are entirely dependant upon the volume of people expected to attend. In this case I would say a couple of hundred at most. In which case, costs will be very low as only part of one stand would be opened. Stewarding will almost certainly be taken up by the academy themselves. This is an entirely different beast to opening up the entire stadium to a League one team which is subject to far more stringent stewarding, policing, H&S requirements as well as the variable costs resulting from thousands of fans versus a couple of hundred.

In any case, ACL will make a profit by allowing the academy to play. It is important to understand that income received will be greater than the increased costs incurred.

As for the tenancy, it is a misnomer to state that this academy are 'THE' tenants. They will be 'A' tenant, as they will certainly not have any exclusive rights to the arena. They will have approached ACL to ask to play there and ACL are entirely correct to allow them. CCFC aren't playing there currently and it is the correct business decision to make.
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So the stewards are employed by ACL and are part of the fixed management fee? Who stewards at Sixfields?
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #184
ccfcway said:
Cov Sphinx play more than 8 games a season. This is a business decision by the company involved. They will used "The Ricoh" to promote the academy to rich parents looking to get their kids a big break.

This isnt a full time football club calling the Ricoh their home. Its more like work experience !
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Yes they do, but why can't they play 8 of their games at the Ricoh? No-one is saying for them to play there every week.

Why not help a local team out? And just think how fantastic would that be for a team like Sphinx to get the opportunity.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #185
Otis said:
Yes they do, but why can't they play 8 of their games at the Ricoh? No-one is saying for them to play there every week.

Why not help a local team out? And just think how fantastic would that be for a team like Sphinx to get the opportunity.
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Its a business transaction, whilst not using putting pressure on the pitch, leaving the door open to CCFC (despite what anyone says)
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #186
Grendel said:
Lets be honest for a "premier" league stadium this is a joke. The frantic justifications are comedy gold.
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So are you suggesting they franchise in a premier league team? Unless they do that how are they going to get someone of that level in?

Seems sensible to me to take any bookings they can, better than it being sat there empty. Not sure what makes that comedy gold. Seeing as SISU won't even consider playing there with free rent what would your suggestion be?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #187
italiahorse said:
They are not THE tenant. You will need to wait as I said !!
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Wait for what? Perhaps you'll hear an advert on the radio for the premier league get confused at start a thread that a premier league club has hired the Ricoh?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #188
Grendel said:
So the stewards are employed by ACL and are part of the fixed management fee? Who stewards at Sixfields?
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For all we know there may not even be a requirement for any stewards. The only people likely to be attending are parents and scouts, how many stewards can you possibly need for that?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #189
Otis said:
Yes they do, but why can't they play 8 of their games at the Ricoh? No-one is saying for them to play there every week.

Why not help a local team out? And just think how fantastic would that be for a team like Sphinx to get the opportunity.
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Do Sphinx want to ply there? If they do and they have been told it's not possible then you have a point, otherwise you're complaining about someone not playing there who doesn't actually want to play there. What do you want ACL to do, threaten to take them to court unless they come and play at the Ricoh?!
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #190
Grendel said:
Why are you interested in the shop analogy? Just as he said shop and you work in one? If an organisation wanted a property and a shopkeeper was in it you'd find a way to force him out through legal means and if you have the financial clout you would bury him in litigation until he disappeared. Satisfied?
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Thank you for taking the time to post your thoughts on the shop analogy, and yes it is because I work in retail thank you for remembering.
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #191
I know it's only 8 games, but aren't ACL being a bit hypocritical by allowing a Northampton team to play in Coventry, the same season they threatened court action against Northampton for allowing Coventry to play there?

This saga will never end will it
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #192
sw88 said:
I know it's only 8 games, but aren't ACL being a bit hypocritical by allowing a Northampton team to play in Coventry, the same season they threatened court action against Northampton for allowing Coventry to play there?
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They aren't a Northampton team, they aren't even a team in the real sense. They are a very expensive football academy using the Ricoh as it will be a good selling point for them.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #193
chiefdave said:
For all we know there may not even be a requirement for any stewards. The only people likely to be attending are parents and scouts, how many stewards can you possibly need for that?
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My point is I believed the stewards were employed by the club and therefore not part of the match day costs.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #194
chiefdave said:
Do Sphinx want to ply there? If they do and they have been told it's not possible then you have a point, otherwise you're complaining about someone not playing there who doesn't actually want to play there. What do you want ACL to do, threaten to take them to court unless they come and play at the Ricoh?!
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And why would Sphinx not want to play there?

My guess is that no non-league club would ever think it is feasible to play there. Surely no-one in their right mind at that level would think it feasible. Now some unknown youth team is going to suddenly play there though, then obviously it has out of the blue now become feasible.

Though it's all still very baffling.
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #195
sw88 said:
I know it's only 8 games, but aren't ACL being a bit hypocritical by allowing a Northampton team to play in Coventry, the same season they threatened court action against Northampton for allowing Coventry to play there?

This saga will never end will it
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Exactly. The decision is baffling at best.

If they are happy to have some non-league team play some games there then they should have at least offered some local team the oppotunity.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #196
Anyone else think Grendel has lost it here? He's making even less sense than usual. Why would ACL pay for someone to use their pitch?

I think it has suddenly hit him that ACL aren't going to just die without CCFC and now his whole world is collapsing.

His ranting's remind me of the scene in that film "Downfall" where Hitler finds out that his troops cant stop the Soviets and as such he has lost the war.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #197
Otis said:
And why would Sphinx not want to play there?

My guess is that no non-league club would ever think it is feasible to play there. Surely no-one in their right mind at that level would think it feasible. Now some unknown youth team is going to suddenly play there though, then obviously it has out of the blue now become feasible.

Though it's all still very baffling.
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Why would the Sphinx pay to play at the Ricoh when they have their own ground?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #198
Otis said:
Exactly. The decision is baffling at best.

If they are happy to have some non-league team play some games there then they should have at least offered some local team the oppotunity.
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How do we know they haven't?
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #199
bigfatronssba said:
How do we know they haven't?
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How do you know they have?


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Gint11

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #200
Great opportunity for the lads in the team playing there for 8 games but it makes us even more of a laughing stock that a amateur team is playing at our old ground

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bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #201
RoboCCFC90 said:
How do you know they have?


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I don't, just like you or anyone else on this forum.
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #202
bigfatronssba said:
I don't, just like you or anyone else on this forum.
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Agreed. There must be some incentive in this or why not offer it up to any local team?


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wingy

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #203
Forgive me If I'm getting this wrong .But Is this team based around the same principal as Strachans and Glen Hoddles model ,bringing kids through who have been dropped from Club youth set ups ,thus to see if they can Improve and get picked up again In the game at some level .Therefore a commercial operation rather than a Sunday League kick about,meaning the guy running It raises Income from somewhere and will pay a fee.Will these games be more like exhibition matches rather than competitive in a League format ?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #204
RoboCCFC90 said:
Agreed. There must be some incentive in this or why not offer it up to any local team?


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I might be wrong, but as I understand it this academy will not be playing at the Ricoh permanently? Is it not just 8 games?

Therefore the title of main tenant is still up for grabs. I cant really see why at this stage a local team would want to permanently give up their own ground for the Ricoh.

If however your saying the Ricoh should offer a local team a one off use of the ground, then I would be in agreement with you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #205
bigfatronssba said:
Anyone else think Grendel has lost it here? He's making even less sense than usual. Why would ACL pay for someone to use their pitch?

I think it has suddenly hit him that ACL aren't going to just die without CCFC and now his whole world is collapsing.

His ranting's remind me of the scene in that film "Downfall" where Hitler finds out that his troops cant stop the Soviets and as such he has lost the war.
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Oh dear. Time to start digging out the old posts where I was told the world class venue would host rugby matches, show jumping, all year round concerts. Anything goes. There are some seriously hilarious posts out there and they will be returning soon.

Just listen to yourself. This is hilarious. So now its not a rugby semi final or the rugby World Cup its er....a few kids in front of no fans. I've said all along without the club there the bowl is worthless and this proves it. Missed out in the World Cup, diminishing number of concerts, no rugby semi finals, no Olympics - since the club left nothing. Why?
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #206
RoboCCFC90 said:
Agreed. There must be some incentive in this or why not offer it up to any local team?


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Agreed, and could it be that some incentive might actually make good business sense for ACL and the reason that they DIDN'T offer it up to any old local team. which is what you and others have been arguing on this thread
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #207
RoboCCFC90 said:
Agreed. There must be some incentive in this or why not offer it up to any local team?


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I would consider going to watch a local team, such as Sphinx, at the Ricoh, but until they ask to play there, or until they complain that they weren't invited, then maybe all the complaining on their behalf should stop.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #208
Grendel said:
Oh dear. Time to start digging out the old posts where I was told the world class venue would host rugby matches, show jumping, all year round concerts. Anything goes. There are some seriously hilarious posts out there and they will be returning soon.

Just listen to yourself. This is hilarious. So now its not a rugby semi final or the rugby World Cup its er....a few kids in front of no fans. I've said all along without the club there the bowl is worthless and this proves it. Missed out in the World Cup, diminishing number of concerts, no rugby semi finals, no Olympics - since the club left nothing. Why?
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No your wrong.

Only the published accounts will show whether that statement is true or not.

PKWH has stated that ACL's turnover will increase this year, and until the accounts are published we can only take his word on that.
 
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theferret

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #209
Grendel said:
Oh dear. Time to start digging out the old posts where I was told the world class venue would host rugby matches, show jumping, all year round concerts. Anything goes. There are some seriously hilarious posts out there and they will be returning soon.

Just listen to yourself. This is hilarious. So now its not a rugby semi final or the rugby World Cup its er....a few kids in front of no fans. I've said all along without the club there the bowl is worthless and this proves it. Missed out in the World Cup, diminishing number of concerts, no rugby semi finals, no Olympics - since the club left nothing. Why?
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I sense you are enjoying this.

It is true, doesn't seem to be a lot happening there. No concerts planned for 2014 at all from what I can tell.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Jan 30, 2014
  • #210
The Gentleman said:
Agreed, and could it be that some incentive might actually make good business sense for ACL and the reason that they DIDN'T offer it up to any old local team. which is what you and others have been arguing on this thread
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Well I still don't believe that this will make them too much money..


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