There is a great story about MandlesonCan you equally imagine the outrage if he had sat in someone else's reserved seat...
Are they gluten free?Have a check on here. Apparently they are sending them out in batches up till the end of the month.
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/leadership/info
With the polls showing Corbyn on track for a bigger landslide than before - assuming the 100K that they've 'accidentally' forgotten to send voting papers to actually get them there's a new plan brewing.
The old favourite, we can't win so lets change the rules. Rumours about that the PLP want to push though the abolition of one member one vote before the newly elected NEC members take office. That would mean the PLP's votes would carry as much weight as the other members combined. The effective result of that would be whoever the PLP wanted would win.
With the polls showing Corbyn on track for a bigger landslide than before - assuming the 100K that they've 'accidentally' forgotten to send voting papers to actually get them there's a new plan brewing.
The old favourite, we can't win so lets change the rules. Rumours about that the PLP want to push though the abolition of one member one vote before the newly elected NEC members take office. That would mean the PLP's votes would carry as much weight as the other members combined. The effective result of that would be whoever the PLP wanted would win.
Corbyn should have hands look to see if Robinson was on the train as he found have sat next to that shit in first class as no one else would want to.
Corbyn is mad an totally unelectable
I have to say if Corbyn wins then I will seriously think about leaving the party, been a member since 1983. He is totally inept and unelectable. What makes it worse is the Momentum lot and all the unsavoury characters that he is attracting to Labour. Even Nellist, Galloway and Hatton are thinking of rejoining.
I did vote for Smith but I have no doubt he will win the Leadership race. When it comes to the next GE he will get absolutely slaughtered, his dodgy IRA, Hamas and Press TV past will come back to haunt him and we will get wiped out. Vote Corbyn if you want a Tory governement for the next decade.
If he gets in it will be a battle of polar opposites May against Corbyn and she will win through default, with a tiny turnout. I thought Andy Burnham should have stood with Chuka as his assistant.
May is a reborn Thatcher and is surrounded by a motley crew of incompetents like that shit Hunt.
Exactly which is why we need a strong opposition and someone who can actually WIN an election. Now, I'm not saying Owen Smith can, but he would certainly be a better bet than Corbyn. As I said, it will be a bloodbath at the next election.
How very democraticIt's obvious Corbyn would win - the parliamentary party has two choices. It takes the very brave step of a no confidence vote in him and then the vast majority form a new party - the parliamentary Labour Party - and they then appeal to the speaker to make it's leader the official opposition.
Either that or on the day the result is announced find someone else to stand against him and tell Corbyn that he will have challenges every year until he resigns.
How very democratic
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It's obvious Corbyn would win - the parliamentary party has two choices. It takes the very brave step of a no confidence vote in him and then the vast majority form a new party - the parliamentary Labour Party - and they then appeal to the speaker to make it's leader the official opposition.
Either that or on the day the result is announced find someone else to stand against him and tell Corbyn that he will have challenges every year until he resigns.
The PLP have shown themselves more incompetent than Corbyn. Having offered a left leaning alternative who was more 'electable', I remain convinced he'd have stepped aside. Instead, the centre Blairite factions mounted the coup and then, when they found that could not work, Smith lurched left... insincerely.
It's the PLP who are pushing Corbyn to fight. There's a will for a left leaning alternative, but no ability to present a convincing one.
Amongst the electorate their is no leaning at all
Would they be able to do that? If Corbyn is elected by the party members and they don't want to serve under his leadership they'd have to resign from the party wouldn't they?It takes the very brave step of a no confidence vote in him and then the vast majority form a new party - the parliamentary Labour Party - and they then appeal to the speaker to make it's leader the official opposition.
Me tooI disagree.
I disagree.
Did anyone watch this. It was appalling, how on earth it ever made it to air is beyond me. Clearly made with an agenda but despite their best efforts couldn't come up with any actual evidence to support their claims.This should be interesting...
251,417 and 59.5% of the vote last time for Corbyn, 313,309 and 61.8% of the vote this time.
But then you have 206,000 who didn't vote.
Around 130,000 who joined after the retrospectively imposed deadline, the vast majority of which are thought to be Corbyn supporters.
60,000 did not get their ballot paper due to IT issues, if you choose to believe that.
54,000 registered supporters, the ones who paid £25, were either told they weren't on the electoral register or their payment had failed. Up to 20,000 trade union affiliates not processed, there hasn't been a final number on that yet.
Over 11,000 suspended from the party for having previously indicated support for another party, in some cases as little as a single tweet saying a MP from another party had made a good point.
Surely they have to unite behind Corbyn now, or if they can't do that leave the party and form their own.
Where does that end? He'll stand again and win again. Unless they drastically change the rules, like scrapping one member one vote, which would alienate a massive percentage of the party members.For the sake of democratic process as a whole the labour MP's need to isolate themselves from parliament. Let Corbyn and his fellow anarchic anti Semite terrorist worshiping thugs sit alone in parliament - then immediately declare a no confidence vote and start the process again.
Where does that end? He'll stand again and win again. Unless they drastically change the rules, like scrapping one member one vote, which would alienate a massive percentage of the party members.
If they don't agree with the direction of the party under a democratically elected leader with the clear support of the party members then isn't it down to them to leave the party and continue as independents or form their own party?
But what you're suggesting is you have a democratic election for leader, then you don't like the result so you ignore it and do it again. You get the same result, so you ignore it and go again. How many times do you keep doing that and how much damage is it doing to the party?If that happened in the 80's it wouldn't exist now. Then we had the likes of healey standing up to them. Big politicians. Look at what Kinnock is saying - hardly new labour but he knows the score - Corbyn represents a fraction of labour voters and must be stopped
But what you're suggesting is you have a democratic election for leader, then you don't like the result so you ignore it and do it again. You get the same result, so you ignore it and go again. How many times do you keep doing that and how much damage is it doing to the party?
If those Labour party voters you
refer to are so against Corbyn why didn't they join up to vote against him?
I'm a Labour Party member and currently a Corbin supporter and I can tell you that Walmart you're saying is categorically nonsense. JC has won a majority of members again. Local party meetings and membership has not been flooded by lunatics, there is categorically no evidence of this. If there is I'd like you to show it to me before continuing along the same line.That's not the way politics works I'm afraid. Party membership is tiny. Many of these members are not Labour Party members at all but socialists and anarchists and extreme zeonosts. The democratic thing would have been at the original ballot to just have the original membership vote.
Most voters are not party members and never will be. The party is self destructing. Corbyn is foot and McDonnell is most definitely Benn - the real puppet master.
There is no healey or Kinnock emerging who have the stomach for a fight. Unless you want a one party state led by Chairman May I suggest you prey someone emerges from the pack.
I'm a Labour Party member and currently a Corbin supporter and I can tell you that Walmart you're saying is categorically nonsense. JC has won a majority of members again. Local party meetings and membership has not been flooded by lunatics, there is categorically no evidence of this. If there is I'd like you to show it to me before continuing along the same line.
Almost every member of the party want us to unite and take it to the government. The outliers in this situation are a dozen or so members of the PLP who are resisting the power slipping from their fingers.
I agree there is currently a problem with electability but that is due to not looking credible due to in fighting. Blair even said he'd prefer Theresa May as PM that Corbyn, what more proof do you need.
and take it to the government.
Every time I see a socialist on TV talking they say they want to fight the Tories. Why? Why don't they decide for themselves what is right and then support the Tories when they agree? It seems the whole movement exists only to be negative about what the other party thinks. Corbyn talks about "grown up politics" and yet he and his followers are the most childish in behaviour you could find. They are all refusing to wear the Labour party colours presently because the badge was sponsored by a union that supported Smith.
Here are some of the countries that have tried Corbyn's ideas, some have since partially recovered after they gave up on socialism:
Russia
China
Viet Nam
Cambodia
North Korea
Yemen
Cuba
Venezuela
Nicaragua
Albania
I didn't count the greater eastern bloc, because of course they didn't choose to be subjected to it.
Socialism always looks more appealing on paper and in theory, capitalism works better in practice.
I'm sure I'd have supported Marx when he first wrote the communist manifesto.
He's a distant cousin of mine and it's the subject of much humour in Holland as my family is about as anti-communist as you could imagine. The ancestor of mine who financially supported Karl when he was writing Das Capital was himself a wealthy merchant banker.
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