Robin’s loyalist (4 Viewers)

[Sky Blue Goblin]

What value would you put on them now and at the end of a bad season say 5 or 6 goals from both the strikers and their value would soon drop.

Sheaf is hard to know as in his last year. If he doesn’t start much could see him having a new contract. Wright is still an international and I would expect some decent money still but maybe we’d make a loss. Simms again maybe just a little bit more than the 3.5 million we paid for him.

We would also have the Vik money to play with

 

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[shmmeee]

Sheaf is hard to know as in his last year. If he doesn’t start much could see him having a new contract. Wright is still an international and I would expect some decent money still but maybe we’d make a loss. Simms again maybe just a little bit more than the 3.5 million we paid for him.

We would also have the Vik money to play with

Sheaf isn’t in his last year, he’s got another left after this one.

 

[skybluetony176]

Even I have to admit it feels different this time. Never doubted Robins would not turn it around when we’ve had slow starts/slumps previously. I think Robins time might be at an end sadly.

I don’t accept it’s all on Robins though, King has to shoulder his share of the blame too. I suspect Viveash going and the decision to cut back on loans are connected and the latter is on King, IIRC he said something about not relying on loans/we rely on loans too much when he arrived. I think that decision pissed off Viveash who understands how vital loans are to a club like Coventry for success and I also think Viveash was pivotal in bringing in loans through connections and his hard work.

Where not going to change the owner so the only option is to change the manager and hope the dynamic works between owner and a new manager to see a turnaround. No idea who that manager could be but it feels like the writing is on the wall for Robins

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Sheaf isn’t in his last year, he’s got another left after this one.

So next summer he is out of contract? Would want us to offer him a contract sooner rather than later so we don’t end up with a Callum O’Hare situation.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

Even I have to admit it feels different this time. Never doubted Robins would not turn it around when we’ve had slow starts/slumps previously. I think Robins time might be at an end sadly.

I don’t accept it’s all on Robins though, King has to shoulder his share of the blame too. I suspect Viveash going and the decision to cut back on loans are connected and the latter is on King, IIRC he said something about not relying on loans/we rely on loans too much when he arrived. I think that decision pissed off Viveash who understands how vital loans are to a club like Coventry for success and I also think Viveash was pivotal in bringing in loans through connections and his hard work.

Where not going to change the owner so the only option is to change the manager and hope the dynamic works between owner and a new manager to see a turnaround. No idea who that manager could be but it feels like the writing is on the wall for Robins

Wonder if Mark going would make Doug change his approach. I do think a director of football to oversee recruitment and have the final say would be a big positive

 

[shmmeee]

So next summer he is out of contract? Would want us to offer him a contract sooner rather than later so we don’t end up with a Callum O’Hare situation.

Think someone will pick him up cheap next summer TBH. Possibly Luton who have always been admirers and don’t look like going up this year.

 

[shmmeee]

Even I have to admit it feels different this time. Never doubted Robins would not turn it around when we’ve had slow starts/slumps previously. I think Robins time might be at an end sadly.

I don’t accept it’s all on Robins though, King has to shoulder his share of the blame too. I suspect Viveash going and the decision to cut back on loans are connected and the latter is on King, IIRC he said something about not relying on loans/we rely on loans too much when he arrived. I think that decision pissed off Viveash who understands how vital loans are to a club like Coventry for success and I also think Viveash was pivotal in bringing in loans through connections and his hard work.

Where not going to change the owner so the only option is to change the manager and hope the dynamic works between owner and a new manager to see a turnaround. No idea who that manager could be but it feels like the writing is on the wall for Robins

Changing the manager or the owner aren’t the only options. Any new manager will have the same issues with squad mentality we have now and will need the same solutions of a couple of older heads on and off the pitch. We may as well let Robins have that first.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

How can you be great at running a football club if the end product your business is structured to produce is substandard? Is that not somewhat contradictory?

'Kin 'ell mate. One is running a football club on a sound financial basis - training facilities etc all been upgraded and an infrastructure set up around the manager and team. The players will change, some will be better, some will be worse, but if everything around the team is of a higher quality, it will eventually reap rewards (be that with or without MR). The end product is never a 'guarantee' as there are always 2 sides wanting a result, but if you have better training facilities, better income streams, supportive fan base, you will be more attractive to players and the team will improve. I've said it earlier in the season, but I think we will be stronger next season than this, but we all want the same thing, and i think that DK has vastly improved the possibility for potential success.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

All I know is that something is very, very off- and it’s not something we’ve ever seen Robins have to deal with. This is more than the standard slow start, something is rotten.

Hopefully a few home truths and some very frank talking might break the apparent apathy on the pitch.

 

[clint van damme]

Think someone will pick him up cheap next summer TBH. Possibly Luton who have always been admirers and don’t look like going up this year.

He's already turned them down, though that could change.
His injury record must be putting off potential suitors.

 

[hinckley cov]

David Moyes

Not a bad shout I don’t think he would stand for our lazy midfield or wright not putting a shift in.

 

[TomRad85]

And MVE.

I think only MVE as things stand. If Wright and Simms play as they have been we won't receive offers big enough to make them worth selling. As for Sheaf, he's becoming something of a sick note.

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[Mill88]

The club’s moto when season tickets were on sale ‘dream big…aim high’ that is currently going down like a lead balloon.

 

[no_loyalty]

With Dennis Lawrence leaving when he did, the cup run, AV leaving, there’s so many factors at play it’s hard to pinpoint what the catalyst is.

I’ve not been impressed with the new coaching team. Look disinterested and hands in their pockets when we’re warming up etc. Defending has got worse since last season. Can’t see an elite step change in how well drilled we are.

Robins in. He’s a club legend. It’s not just us that starts slow each season.

It seems to have started to go pear shaped since Dennis Lawrence left the club, seemed a great coach and very likeable. I think the three (Robins, Viveash, Lawrence) complemented each other very well.

 

[bigfatronssba]

It feels different this time because for the first time since Robins has been manager, the players look like they can’t be arsed.

That is never something I’d thought we’d see with Robins at the helm

 

[Sick Boy]

Yeh this expectations too high argument is complete bullshit. Making out like we're still plucky Cov with no budget.
Regardless, how low would your expectations have to be for this start to be acceptable?

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[Cov4life]

I understand people are not wanting to go onto the merry go round of football managers again, after the years of disappointment with them.

However, I believe Forest were in a bad position a few seasons back, they sacked their manager after 7 games where they only earned 1 point. They went onto win the play offs.

 

[duffer]

I'm definitely not in the "Robins out" camp.

I think that would be a terrible mistake, and I think he's done enough at the club to have our support in the bad times as well as the good.

My gut feel is that we've tried to change too many things at once, at least in regards to the coaching team, and perhaps that's leading to confusion and friction in the team.

It's massively frustrating, but it feels to me like we're in yet another "settling in" period at the start of a new season.

I know there will always be changes in playing staff, but it would be nice to have at least one season where we haven't got loads of other stuff going on, and we're only cycling in a few new players.

 

[Ashdown]

I’m certainly not sure how many of these players are playing ball with the club model of buying to increase in value at the moment. I think we would really struggle to get back what we paid for many of them right now.

 

[David O'Day]

FFS you gimps, lets revisit this in January

 

[Cally Fedora]

The most worrying aspect so far this season is that Robins and his team thought going with the same outfield 10 yesterday was the correct choice. Simms should never have been dropped. Bassette has promise but Simms is a proven 20 goal a year champ striker. Wright was clearly exhausted etc etc. it’s one bad error, that’s all.

 

[Houchens Head]

Bring back SISU.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

He's already turned them down, though that could change.
His injury record must be putting off potential suitors.

Or he just isn't anywhere near as good as many on here have overhyped him as?

 

[baldy]

I understand people are not wanting to go onto the merry go round of football managers again, after the years of disappointment with them.

However, I believe Forest were in a bad position a few seasons back, they sacked their manager after 7 games where they only earned 1 point. They went onto win the play offs.

We almost did exactly the same the season after

 

[clint van damme]

Or he just isn't anywhere near as good as many on here have overhyped him as?

Very possibly.
Though Shmmeee was,saying Luton might come in for him, I was just pointing out they already have.
He clearly thinks he'll potentially get a better offer. He needs to get back on the pitch first.

 

[coop]

Amazing how they scored half way through the one Mark Robins song.

 

[FergieTheFinisher]

The most worrying aspect so far this season is that Robins and his team thought going with the same outfield 10 yesterday was the correct choice. Simms should never have been dropped. Bassette has promise but Simms is a proven 20 goal a year champ striker. Wright was clearly exhausted etc etc. it’s one bad error, that’s all.

I don’t buy this.
The outfield 10 played exceptionally well against Spurs, and rightly deserved to be in the frame for this match. They should be mentally and physically strong enough to play again 3 days later. For me worst case scenario is some may run out of steam and be subbed at half time or after 60 mins etc..

It is totally unacceptable for some of them to be that poor and not turn up to compete. To me it points to poor attitude and mental weakness. Performing like this once is bad, if it happens again it should be unforgivable!!

 

[OldBedrocker]

It already has

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

The most worrying aspect so far this season is that Robins and his team thought going with the same outfield 10 yesterday was the correct choice. Simms should never have been dropped. Bassette has promise but Simms is a proven 20 goal a year champ striker. Wright was clearly exhausted etc etc. it’s one bad error, that’s all.

How can Simms have been dropped, if we went with the same team? Regardless, MR said he got it wrong.

 

[The CableGuy]

Obviously he needs to improve things and start picking up some results.

But the thought of ending back on the managerial merry go round scares me.

If it doesn't improve and he ends up leaving then so be it. But to those actively wanting him gone: be careful what you wish for...

Yep.

Loads of West Ham fans wanted Moyles out. Chelsea pissed all over them yesterday and didn't have to get out of first gear.

 

[Cally Fedora]

How can Simms have been dropped, if we went with the same team? Regardless, MR said he got it wrong.

Ok, dropped in the league, from the Watford game

 

[Cally Fedora]

I don’t buy this.
The outfield 10 played exceptionally well against Spurs, and rightly deserved to be in the frame for this match. They should be mentally and physically strong enough to play again 3 days later. For me worst case scenario is some may run out of steam and be subbed at half time or after 60 mins etc..

It is totally unacceptable for some of them to be that poor and not turn up to compete. To me it points to poor attitude and mental weakness. Performing like this once is bad, if it happens again it should be unforgivable!!

It’s not 100% the physical side although it was for Wright. Bassette and BTA could buzz about and look good v Spurs. Allen the same. Against Swansea we were always going to have more possession. That plays more to the strengths of the likes of Simms and Dasilva and would have combined with the fact that you could have rested some who played Weds.

 

[SAJ]

So next summer he is out of contract? Would want us to offer him a contract sooner rather than later so we don’t end up with a Callum O’Hare situation.

No Shesf had a contract through to June 2026

 

[letsallsingtogether]

If Ribins is to be replaced we need to find a young new to the job manager,
Every manager who is available has already been sacked more than once for not being good enough.

 

[ccfc1234]

'Kin 'ell mate. One is running a football club on a sound financial basis - training facilities etc all been upgraded and an infrastructure set up around the manager and team. The players will change, some will be better, some will be worse, but if everything around the team is of a higher quality, it will eventually reap rewards (be that with or without MR). The end product is never a 'guarantee' as there are always 2 sides wanting a result, but if you have better training facilities, better income streams, supportive fan base, you will be more attractive to players and the team will improve. I've said it earlier in the season, but I think we will be stronger next season than this, but we all want the same thing, and i think that DK has vastly improved the possibility for potential success.

I don't doubt that the infrastructure has vastly improved from a bricks and mortar perspective. Players do indeed come and go. I personally have some reservations with the personnel the club have brought in with their inflated management and coaching structure and wonder if we have too many voices with slightly different agendas and it's detracting from the overall effectiveness of the end product.