Robins has to go… (9 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

The fact is robins has to take some blame for the current situation.

But it's not just on him

Also it ain't even that bad a situation let's be honest.

But because of emotions it feels like some won't agree to point one at all. Maybe they feel like it's a form of betrayal?

 

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[Sick Boy]

So you think we signed a player purely on the word of Heidar Helguson and did no scouting on him? OK.

Fucking hell.

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I imagine scouts are told about lots of players that they then go and look at

Gives me flashbacks to this

 

[PVA]

Fucking hell.

I know you like to gang up on me with your pal grendel, but yeah fucking hell indeed.

 

[Sick Boy]

I know you like to gang up on me with your pal grendel, but yeah fucking hell indeed.

Pointing out that he wasn’t actually responsible for scouting/unearthing AG is hardly ganging up on you.

 

[Evo1883]

Gives me flashbacks to this
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[PVA]

Pointing out that he wasn’t actually responsible for scouting/unearthing AG is hardly ganging up on you.

I didn't say he unearthed him.

 

[Cally Fedora]

OK so he's not responsible for any of the good signings during his time but was responsible for all the bad ones. Gotcha.

Rings a bell doesn’t it. It’s much the same argument that all Robins achievements were built on luck. Everything that went wrong was down to him.

 

[skyblueelephant76]

Why sacking your manager is pointless - and the stats that prove it

Often it is just the changing of luck, rather than managers which makes the difference

www.independent.co.uk

 

[blunted]

Why sacking your manager is pointless - and the stats that prove it

Often it is just the changing of luck, rather than managers which makes the difference

www.independent.co.uk

I would contend Robins has been unlucky this season despite some really poor performances. Counting backwards Sunderland, should have had a pen when HW shirt pulled back in the area (when Lati was booked for pointing it out to the ref). Derby, who had one shot on target, fluke second goal that should have been called offside. Also pen when EMC got a two handed push in the back. Preston, goal disallowed for imaginary hand ball. Sheff Wed, player should have been sent off for dreadful potential career ending tackle on Bidwell. Watch it back. That's a lot of points lost by bad official calls.
Even Norwich where we were seriously outplayed in midfield, only had one shot on target.

 

[wingy]

I would contend Robins has been unlucky this season despite some really poor performances. Counting backwards Sunderland, should have had a pen when HW shirt pulled back in the area (when Lati was booked for pointing it out to the ref). Derby, who had one shot on target, fluke second goal that should have been called offside. Also pen when EMC got a two handed push in the back. Preston, goal disallowed for imaginary hand ball. Sheff Wed, player should have been sent off for dreadful potential career ending tackle on Bidwell. Watch it back. That's a lot of points lost by bad official calls.
Even Norwich where we were seriously outplayed in midfield, only had one shot on target.

It was more than a shirt,he literally had him by both arms, holding his upper body, how many times do we see it, I guess some of ours do it also,certainly I'd say Bink's has been guilty of it,disgusts me tbh and referee's let it carry on!

 

[PVA]

Rings a bell doesn’t it. It’s much the same argument that all Robins achievements were built on luck. Everything that went wrong was down to him.

It's ridiculous. Some people are so set in their ways or have such an agenda that they just make themselves look silly with contradictory statements depending on what argument they are making at the time.

 

[itsabuzzard]

I would contend Robins has been unlucky this season despite some really poor performances. Counting backwards Sunderland, should have had a pen when HW shirt pulled back in the area (when Lati was booked for pointing it out to the ref). Derby, who had one shot on target, fluke second goal that should have been called offside. Also pen when EMC got a two handed push in the back. Preston, goal disallowed for imaginary hand ball. Sheff Wed, player should have been sent off for dreadful potential career ending tackle on Bidwell. Watch it back. That's a lot of points lost by bad official calls.
Even Norwich where we were seriously outplayed in midfield, only had one shot on target.

That's an interesting piece in the Independent.

 

[SkyblueDad]

With a heavy heart but I’m sorry but that’s enough.

Robins been brilliant for our rise through the lower leagues but this is a step too far from him now. It’s sad to seem him struggle like this with the so called most expensive squad ever.

He clearly can’t get this squad to get results. Tactically he’s all over the place and yes some players need to step up, but it’s up to the manager to motivate them. They’re not listening to him and that is a huge warning.

People don’t want to include last season but the reality is apart from that FA cup run the 2nd half of last season was average. Our play off season was built on 2 superstar players in Vik and Gus with the crux of an old school type of squad.

Our home form and CBS was meant to be our fortress. Now teams can come here for an easy 3 points.

Mark’s interview just now is repetition of other poor performances. He can’t say we’re a good team if we keep losing like this. He’s making bizarre team selections especially at the back. Kitching and Wilson for example shouldn’t be anywhere near the team. In the end he threw them all under the bus anyway.

Maybe these players aren’t as good as we thought they would be but they should be collectively doing better.

Buck stops with him, he’s too stubborn to change things with formation or go change it up positively. We are so predictable opposition mangers must be laughing. There’s a danger this turns into a horrendous season. We should be improving game on game, not getting worse.

Time for a change in my opinion and this isn’t for people to have a go at each other, but we won’t see the next step change on the pitch without a fresher, more tactically astute manager.

DK must of read your post


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[cstring82]

That's an interesting piece in the Independent.

Got a link please?

 

[itsabuzzard]

Got a link please?

See post 920 above.

 

[MusicDating]

I keep having to say this - I'm not suggesting Robins was sacked because of the forum. I'm saying the forum can influence the atmosphere at the club, because it doesn't exist in a vacuum. And the vibe recently was way more negative than it needed to be. I suspect we only disagree about the scale of that effect?

Interestingly I did the arena tour with my boy week before last (@Saddlebrains may well have been on the same one) and one thing the tour guy said was the arena staff followed all the social media, SBT, FB, Twitter, Reddit etc and said that sometimes posts were miles off the mark and others scarily close to the truth.

That's not to say decisions have been influenced, but if I wanted to find out what my customers were thinking/saying, I'd do the same.

 

[shmmeee]

That's an interesting piece in the Independent.

Just statistics isn’t it? If you assume a normal distribution of managerial quality, the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle with the odd terrible and odd brilliant exception. You’re rolling the dice on getting a brilliant one, but it’s a one in a million shot. You’ve got to be sure what you’ve got is below the median for it to be worth it really.

But everyone believes they can hire talent better than everyone else and they’ll tip the scale in their favour.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Interestingly I did the arena tour with my boy week before last (@Saddlebrains may well have been on the same one) and one thing the tour guy said was the arena staff followed all the social media, SBT, FB, Twitter, Reddit etc and said that sometimes posts were miles off the mark and others scarily close to the truth.

That's not to say decisions have been influenced, but if I wanted to find out what my customers were thinking/saying, I'd do the same.

We may well have been on the same one!

 

[MusicDating]

We may well have been on the same one!

We did the 12:30 one on the day of the Middlesbrough game.

Were you the guy telling everyone what our team was?... Joking Was good, enjoyed it.

 

[MusicDating]

That's an interesting piece in the Independent.

https://archive.ph/jsLMG

Interesting it mentions The Numbers Game written by Chris Anderson (remember him?), which I read a few years back. I stopped betting on accumulators afterwards

 

[SKYBLUES90]

Interestingly I did the arena tour with my boy week before last (@Saddlebrains may well have been on the same one) and one thing the tour guy said was the arena staff followed all the social media, SBT, FB, Twitter, Reddit etc and said that sometimes posts were miles off the mark and others scarily close to the truth.

That's not to say decisions have been influenced, but if I wanted to find out what my customers were thinking/saying, I'd do the same.

I did one of the first ones back in July. This forum got a name check from the guide then aswell. Said they all have quite the chuckle about some of the things they read….

 

[Calista]

Interestingly I did the arena tour with my boy week before last (@Saddlebrains may well have been on the same one) and one thing the tour guy said was the arena staff followed all the social media, SBT, FB, Twitter, Reddit etc and said that sometimes posts were miles off the mark and others scarily close to the truth.

That's not to say decisions have been influenced, but if I wanted to find out what my customers were thinking/saying, I'd do the same.

Beyond doubt, what’s posted on the internet must affect the environment around the club. The effect can be positive or negative, big or small.

On the second point, yes it would be a strange company that decided to replace its existing product without even looking at customer reviews of it. Then again, Doug is his own man isn't he?

 

[The CableGuy]

Interestingly I did the arena tour with my boy week before last (@Saddlebrains may well have been on the same one) and one thing the tour guy said was the arena staff followed all the social media, SBT, FB, Twitter, Reddit etc and said that sometimes posts were miles off the mark and others scarily close to the truth.

That's not to say decisions have been influenced, but if I wanted to find out what my customers were thinking/saying, I'd do the same.

I was there.

The CBS do good tours, and the free coffee wasn't bad either.

 

[napolimp]

Does anyone happen to have a spare Arena tour ticket for December? Didn't realise these existed until today.

 

[itsabuzzard]

Just statistics isn’t it? If you assume a normal distribution of managerial quality, the vast majority will be somewhere in the middle with the odd terrible and odd brilliant exception. You’re rolling the dice on getting a brilliant one, but it’s a one in a million shot. You’ve got to be sure what you’ve got is below the median for it to be worth it really.

But everyone believes they can hire talent better than everyone else and they’ll tip the scale in their favour.

It is, but it does at least explain them in a way that helps the non-statisticians amongst us.
Robins didn't go from being a manager above the median to one below; he had to contend with greatly changed work circumstances and some players who didn't appear to be giving their all, combined with family bereavement. In the end, and at the risk of being accused of melodrama, he looked and sounded a broken man and the end came as a blessed relief in a way. Apart, obviously, from the family bereavement, all the other factors were down to an owner who believes he knows better. Time will prove him wrong.
Intruding on another thread, the new manager has to perform at a ppg level equivalent to play-offs. Anything less constitutes a failure.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It is, but it does at least explain them in a way that helps the non-statisticians amongst us.
Robins didn't go from being a manager above the median to one below; he had to contend with greatly changed work circumstances and some players who didn't appear to be giving their all, combined with family bereavement. In the end, and at the risk of being accused of melodrama, he looked and sounded a broken man and the end came as a blessed relief in a way. Apart, obviously, from the family bereavement, all the other factors were down to an owner who believes he knows better. Time will prove him wrong.
Intruding on another thread, the new manager has to perform at a ppg level equivalent to play-offs. Anything less constitutes a failure.

Why aren’t players giving it their all?

In almost all circumstances, that’s the manager’s job to keep players happy and motivated.

If Robins lost the dressing room, his position became untenable. That’s the fundamental difference between now and 2022/23. Most of our players now are multi-million signings that can’t just be binned off for free if MR has fallen out with them. Before 2022/23, most of our squad were free agents so Robins had the power to bin off players such as; JCH, Hiwula and Kane to name a few.

 

[chiefdave]

I did one of the first ones back in July. This forum got a name check from the guide then aswell. Said they all have quite the chuckle about some of the things they read….

If they're all reading the forum why doesn't some fucker sort out the queues for a cuppa at half time!

 

[itsabuzzard]

Why aren’t players giving it their all?

In almost all circumstances, that’s the manager’s job to keep players happy and motivated.

If Robins lost the dressing room, his position became untenable. That’s the fundamental difference between now and 2022/23. Most of our players now are multi-million signings that can’t just be binned off for free if MR has fallen out with them. Before 2022/23, most of our squad were free agents so Robins had the power to bin off players such as; JCH, Hiwula and Kane to name a few.

I've no idea why players aren't giving their all.

I'm not sure why you would have to "bin off for free" multi-million pound signings - could you not sell them on in the normal way? Their value surely doesn't drop to zero just because they fall out with their manager?