To be fair, we made money on Chaplin and then used his fee to buy Godden who got us promoted and went on to be one of our record goalscorers of all time (5th).
Selling Chaplin for Godden was good business for the way we played.
I don't get it myself.Chaplin who is currently playing PL football, that Chaplin?
The lengths people are going to to downplay everything from the last eight years. Do I need to dig out all the article praising our recruitment over the years?
I don't get it myself.
Robins improved a lot of players in his time with us. But the rare ones that failed with us then made it good elsewhere are being used as a stick to beat him with. Just like players that kept improving under him like Eccles are constantly said to not be good enough when they clearly are.
Gyokeres? A gem even Brighton didn't see coming. Hamer was a liability when we signed him. I would say the best two players we have had for 25 years or so. Or are the players that have come good down to the coaches and the rare ones that failed down to Robins?
I'm not prepared to make statements on Robins or Lampard on who's the better of the two. Let's see the results with the same players. We started the season with weaknesses in the squad that we all knew about and say about all the time.
I haven't seen anywhere saying Robins chose the players that came in. But Robins did state that the system of bringing in players has changed.I’m certainly not using them to beat him with. I just find it interesting. The Wilson-Esbrand revelation at the fans forum set me off to be honest as it’s not really the type of wing back he’s traditionally used, and suggested to me he knew we had to be a bit more adventurous but obviously it didn’t really happen. Now whether that was because JWE wasn’t up to the standard Robins thought, I don’t know. It’s not that he’s a particularly outstanding player either. But I just get the feeling he wanted to morph into a more attacking side but when push came to shove he was a conservative manager at heart. Now, if he was DoF and wasn’t directly responsible for the team setup and impact on results, would you see that conservatism fall away a bit? My gut feel is yes.
Chaplin who is currently playing PL football, that Chaplin?
The lengths people are going to to downplay everything from the last eight years. Do I need to dig out all the article praising our recruitment over the years?
You do realise that statement proves my point, yes?
To be fair, we made money on Chaplin and then used his fee to buy Godden who got us promoted and went on to be one of our record goalscorers of all time (5th).
If you include the cup he's scored 8 in 19 this seasonIt’s nice to see Godden doing reasonably well for Charlton. He has five goals at 183 minutes per goal, so the equivalent of a goal every other game.
He was brilliant for us at a lower level and I remember him fondly.
The Wilson-Esbrand revelation at the fans forum
How about this one: Chaplin that played 30 games and scored 1 in 3?
The idea he was a poor signing is ludicrous.
I missed this, what was it?
I always thought Chaplin was decent, was unlucky in front of goal at timesChaplin who is currently playing PL football, that Chaplin?
The lengths people are going to to downplay everything from the last eight years. Do I need to dig out all the article praising our recruitment over the years?
How about this one: Chaplin that played 30 games and scored 1 in 3?
The idea he was a poor signing is ludicrous.
Can’t disagree with this to be honest. Personally feel like Simms and Walker are another two which didn’t fit what Robins wanted out of them.Never said he was a poor signing.
Robins failed to get the most out of him though despite chasing him for months. It was more of a bizarre signing rather than a poor one.
Not sure how long he was chased but the same could be said of JCH.
He looked horribly uncomfortable in the role and system Robins deployed him in yet as soon as he left he started scoring for fun, to the point where he became one of the most successful goal scorers ever in L1.
Chaplin is a decent player but certainly not great .On Chaplin, think Robins said it himself to be honest, he was here too early, he’s become a great player and one I would have in this squad in a heartbeat
Chaplin is a decent player but certainly not great .
It's an interesting one and I think Robins never really knew how to get the best out of a rotation between Bidwell and a more attacking left back - Maatsen/JWE are prime examples and he brought JDS in as first choice only to revert back to Bidwell.Dean Austin was very boldly saying Robins wanted Wilson-Esbrand brought in. The impression I’d always had was it was a “meh, if it gives us more numbers then fine” signing but the way Austin was speaking it was like we’d specifically targeted him at the request of Robins.
Never said he was a poor signing.
Robins failed to get the most out of him though despite chasing him for months. It was more of a bizarre signing rather than a poor one.
Not sure how long he was chased but the same could be said of JCH.
He looked horribly uncomfortable in the role and system Robins deployed him in yet as soon as he left he started scoring for fun, to the point where he became one of the most successful goal scorers ever in L1.
In what way is getting a goal every three games out of your striker not getting the most? It’s almost the exact rate he scored with Ipswich last season, did they not get the most from him?
These memes take hold at the time but just don’t stand up to scrutiny in hindsight.
Chaplin only started 22 games, he lost his place in the side in January and never got it back. It's fair to say he didn't hit the heights expected, given that he was for us at the time quite an expensive signing.
In what way is getting a goal every three games out of your striker not getting the most? It’s almost the exact rate he scored with Ipswich last season, did they not get the most from him?
These memes take hold at the time but just don’t stand up to scrutiny in hindsight.
He got a decent return in line with at clubs he’s supposedly done better and and we made a profit. If you’re holding it up as evidence Robins is bad at recruitment I think that’s a ringing endorsement.
I swear people don’t remember the dross we had up front for years that could only dream of hitting the heights of a misfiring JCH or Chaplin.
Isn't that the point though...
We had dross for years but then when we finally had capable strikers those such as Chaplin / JCH weren't utilised correctly and often found their feet soon after elsewhere.
Not every player we sign will be a success and amount of money spent on a player cannot guarantee success.
JCH I can accept though his record before us was far spottier than his record after. Chaplin performed at a similar level to the clubs he’s claimed to have “found his feet” at later. He may not have been amazing, but he was better than say Walker and went for a profit. You might as well complain Gyokeres wasn’t sold for £100m, not all players peak at City. But the idea either of them were uniquely bad here just isn’t born out by the facts.
He got a decent return in line with at clubs he’s supposedly done better and and we made a profit. If you’re holding it up as evidence Robins is bad at recruitment I think that’s a ringing endorsement.
I swear people don’t remember the dross we had up front for years that could only dream of hitting the heights of a misfiring JCH or Chaplin.
I've worked with plenty of people who are quite happy to take credit for things they aren't responsible for and heap the blame for things they are responsible for on others, especially when its conveniently someone who is no longer around and therefore won't dispute their version of events.Dean Austin was very boldly saying Robins wanted Wilson-Esbrand brought in. The impression I’d always had was it was a “meh, if it gives us more numbers then fine” signing but the way Austin was speaking it was like we’d specifically targeted him at the request of Robins.
Took almost 130 league games after leaving city at barnsley and ipswich for a manager to get the best from Chaplin in a really really good league 1 team too we should addFor the most part Chaplin had the same record at a higher level though, so it's not really all that comparable.
The proof of his potential is shown in his second season at Ipswich once they eventually got rid of Paul Cook and brought in McKenna.
I am not saying Robins is poor at recruitment at all. I am saying that he is good at recruitment as in he selected an objectively good player, just didn't get the best from him.
Took almost 130 league games after leaving city at barnsley and ipswich for a manager to get the best from Chaplin in a really really good league 1 team too we should add
He did OKYou say that but he did pretty well in a poor Barnsley team the season after he left, in a higher division.
This is particularly evident the way Simms and Wright were randomly rotated out of the squad at times. It seemed random on occasionHaving fewer options makes management simpler in many ways, it’s not a bizarre idea.
Took almost 130 league games after leaving city at barnsley and ipswich for a manager to get the best from Chaplin in a really really good league 1 team too we should add
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