Brighton Sky Blue
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It is when the play is so incoherent
Match Thread Rotherham United FC - Coventry City Match Thread - Wednesday 25th Oct (94 Viewers)
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Nick
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What, like Sakamoto the winger?
My point was it's a different system and players to the last 200 games so it's not really a comparison.
Evo1883
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Nothing incoherent about our play .. not as effective as it could be , sure
The Philosopher
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True, we signed Simms / Wright to replace Gyok, probably Ayari to stand in for Cal but didn’t have time / luck / foresight to replace Gus with a roaming playmaker. Thing is, who we have signed in those positions has flopped so far.
Evo1883
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Sakamoto the winger that played wing back at his previous club and can play a 10.
That one
The Philosopher
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Good point. We might as well have brought Jodi Jones back. Neither really fit our style.
Nick
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Of course it won't always work but my point is when do we ever be the ones that do it and it works? We sit and watch the same thing over and over again not working.
Against Bristol it was the last minute when something was attempted, why?
Tonight, we waited a while before trying something. Yeah we tried to change things about and it didn't work.
Evo1883
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Sure , not as great as we'd have hoped , still plenty of time to develop these players .. there's no doubt there is a massive overreaction on here , as usual
SeaSeeEffCee
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The problem isn’t the formation, it’s the dogshit slow ‘possession’ football we’re trying to play. Van Ewijk was supposedly to be an exciting wing back who loves to bomb on and we’ve got him cutting back inside and playing it to Eccles every time he gets it. Simms and Wright clearly aren’t capable of playing in a slow build-up system. It’s baffling as to why we’ve signed these players for big money and aren’t playing to their strengths.
Nick
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The Philosopher
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We are Cov fans. The fact we are posting on here at midnight shows we are venting our frustration and at times overreacting. I guess that’s the human condition.
Nick
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Wright always looks good when it's played in the channels.
Evo1883
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OK great , he played wing back several times in belgium btw , will probably be left wing or right wing on there in a 343
Fact is when he was signed Robins said he was a versatile player that can play in several positions.. he can play wing back , attacking midfield , right wing , left wing etc
That doesn't indicate a system change when he can play in atleast 2 positions in our current system
Me personally, not sure why we've signed him , but he can play in a 5 atb or 3 atb system
The Philosopher
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I agree. The noticeable difference is that Simms and Wright cannot hold the ball up and lay off and turn and run. We tried developing Bakayoko and blew a lot of budget on him (£250k?) which at the time was chunky money to us. £12m is madness.
MalcSB
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How many minutes has Ayari played to need a rest. He needs dropping from the squad and sent back to the sea side.
You had your mind made up the moment he signed.
He was decent in the first half and poor in the second. Certainly not alone in that respect.
He's better than Bidwell and the manager agrees.
Your track record on wing backs recently is less than impressive. How's Todd Kane getting on?
skybluepm2
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Just got back, dejected after such an abject performance. Rotherham wanted it more than we did and deserved their win, as much as it pains me to say.
Struggling to comprehend how we are intending to play right now, something is seriously lacking in the middle of the park. MVE had his poorest game for us tonight, he and Da Silva were isolated and weren’t really afforded the space by their opposite numbers.
A lot of side to side passing with little or no off the ball runners from our forwards. Sheaf played well once again, Wilson with a few fantastic saves, Fadz and Simms were ok, but that’s it. Seeing COH back was the highlight of the night, he and Sakamoto brought us a bit of added impetus but too little too late. 16 corners, not one threatening.
2 crappy unavoidable set piece goals conceded in the past 2 games which have cost us, whilst being profligate at the other end.
Going forward, I’d like to see us play 2 AM’s (COH and one other of Allen, Palmer, Saka), but behind who? Do any of the 3 have the capability to play as a lone striker? Right now I’m not so sure.
Officiating pathetic as always, but not the reason we lost. Back to the drawing board
Struggling to comprehend how we are intending to play right now, something is seriously lacking in the middle of the park. MVE had his poorest game for us tonight, he and Da Silva were isolated and weren’t really afforded the space by their opposite numbers.
A lot of side to side passing with little or no off the ball runners from our forwards. Sheaf played well once again, Wilson with a few fantastic saves, Fadz and Simms were ok, but that’s it. Seeing COH back was the highlight of the night, he and Sakamoto brought us a bit of added impetus but too little too late. 16 corners, not one threatening.
2 crappy unavoidable set piece goals conceded in the past 2 games which have cost us, whilst being profligate at the other end.
Going forward, I’d like to see us play 2 AM’s (COH and one other of Allen, Palmer, Saka), but behind who? Do any of the 3 have the capability to play as a lone striker? Right now I’m not so sure.
Officiating pathetic as always, but not the reason we lost. Back to the drawing board
BlueSkiesForever
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We went 4 at the back and conceded a pathetic second goal you
Firstly, I simply suggested a formation change, I’m thinking more the box atm, not necessarily 4 at the back yet.
Secondly, we’ve spent almost 30% of the season playing this same formation and we’re sitting in 20th, right alongside some of the shittest teams in the championship. You can’t tell me this is how we should continue, surely?
Thirdly, we went to a 4 at the back for only a portion of the game, I think it’s absolutely ludicrous to write something off after only seeing it implemented for such a small period of time. “Well boys we tried that for 23 minutes and it didn’t work so I’m shelving that one, let’s go back to the same old shit”.
I realise I obsess about formation a lot but what is people’s obsession with not moving on from the same old shit every week? I could understand if that was Leeds or Southampton or Ipswich we just played and our weird 5-2-1-2 formation didn’t work out but it wasn’t, it was fucking dog shite Rotherham, we can’t be losing to Rotherham in that manner and then suggesting we shouldn’t be trying to change it, it’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.
Also I don’t understand why you try and make everything personal, I asked a general question to anyone in the forum and you stroll in there calling me a clown. I’m not having a go at you or anyone, I’ve never had a go, I even said the other day to you I hope you don’t see our debates as personal and I don’t enjoy how everything little comment on here becomes a stab at someone. It just gets a bit grating having to defend my opinion all the time, if you don’t like it then fine but I’d appreciate it if you don’t call me a clown and call my ideas “a load of shite”.
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pusbccfc
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He nearly did tonight.
Looked a level above, made some great runs and worked hard.
You know he's back when he missed a good chance or two as well!
shmmeee
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We’ve lost more quality than we’ve brought in. By definition.
I don’t think we were anywhere near as bad as most are making it out but we really lack leaders who can grab the game by the scruff of the neck or anyone with a really high work rate.
I think it’s this. We’re playing really slow careful stuff. That’s surely tactical. Tbf we’ve had good possession stats and although it doesn’t feel like it creating a fair few chances, just not converting them currently.
They move to the same space a lot I think, getting in each others way. Wright makes the Gyok run wide quite a lot so it’s less of an issue as Simms tends to sit central.
Otis
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We're creating very good chances though. Just not taking them. That's the key
Otis
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Yup. Glad that hasn't happened on the Israel-Palestine thread.
Tbf Thomas did that just after and got booked for it. Ref was poor in those few minutes. Should never have given them the throw in Thomas was raving about.
bigfatronssba
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Problem is it’s all down to the players from here on in. I think after that performance the atmosphere will be dead on Monday, unless we see a massive change in how we play.
I’m not sure these players have the mental strength to do it with a muted crowd
I’m not sure these players have the mental strength to do it with a muted crowd
Brighton Sky Blue
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I don’t recall seeing any very good chances. Plenty for them though.
Sorry but Rotherham were very good second half.
Saddlebrains
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A few weeks back i posted that those who had been here a while we're trying to integrate the new players, help them settle, integrate and its not been reciprocated
Yes those players do need to look at their own performances aswell, but those who have been here a while and know what it means to be a Coventry City player, and have a bond with the fans are just bereft of what to do squad wise at the moment from what i understand
As mentioned before, even from the early training sessions the 'senior pros' knew that those we had brought in (in the main) are not good enough, too passive, too quiet, bollockless basically, but have done all they can to welcome them, get them settled, help them on the training pitch and by all accounts its just not working
I miss the days when we were the underdog, us against the world, fans and players with a big fuckoff to everyone else. We're nowhere near that
You missed my point, that’s exactly what I meant…. The old guard seem to be still trying whilst the new signings are struggling.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I didn’t expect to be in a playoff chase again this season, but I also didn’t expect to be struggling near the bottom and getting played off the park by fecking Rotherham either. It is essentially what happened to Huddersfield, the star players got ripped out of the side and weren’t replaced effectively. Even then they had also lost their manager and hadn’t brought in anything like the same transfer revenue.
fernandopartridge
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We weren't played off the park, were we?
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Most of that second half I’d say so, yes.