Sky Blue Pete
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I respect his stance the delusion is thinking that it’s making any difference
I respect his stance the delusion is thinking that it’s making any differenceHe's not deluded at all. He's one of several thousand who simply refuse to go to Birmingham. I respect his stance. I also respect all those that go to St Andrews.
Why only 3 or 4K more? Where do those figures come from? We averaged 12k last season. In the Mowbray season, the attendances were as high as 17k until the wheels came off.We need to weigh up the value of 3-4k more on the attendance or keeping consistency at SA. I would prefer to stay for the remainder of the season, see it out and have a more productive discussion at the end of the season. We are in a weak bargaining position at the moment and would move back to a shit pitch to finish the season which could derail us completely.
I hear people saying we would get 17k back there if we moved, I think we all know that’s nonsense and previous seasons demonstrate this, we need to get back home but we can’t put the club at risk by a catastrophic deal which limits us down the line
The problem with this is that Sisu’s ‘hard ball’ stance involved using our football club as the hostage. They weren’t bothered about the damage to the club or the distress they caused to thousands of fans. You talk about Sisu’s rights as business people to do what they want. What about the rights of the fans who expect the owners of their football club, a cherished and much loved community asset, to look after it and make the right decisions for it’s benefit?SISU are not blameless but the price they were quoted for the ricoh was far too high so they made a commercial decision to leave and try and prove the asset was over priced by distressing it to drive the price down. Surely this is their right as a business? While that happened wasps were courted and given a deal far better than the one we refused. It is for that reason I blame the Council on two levels. 1. They were unrealistic with what they tried to charge us for the Ricoh and 2. They offered a sporting franchise a better deal than we were ever offered as they were so bitter that we proved that the stadium was over priced all along.
Business is brutal and SISU played hard ball to make the Council understand how wrong their valuation was. The council then gave the stadium away cheaply amd in an underhand way to the point it could be called state aid to a rugby club as a two fingers to CCFC and SISU.
Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.If people don’t go to Brum we won’t have a club to come back or is this too much to comprehend?
Wasps have us over a barrel yet people want us back at a huge financial disadvantage what ever as long as we play in “Cov”.
We will just continue to be a small team in the 3rd division forever. Travel costs ffs it’s £5 return at many places and your back in Coventry by 6.30 at the latest.
We want our own destiny we all do but it has to be achieved and going back cap in hand isn’t going to do it.
Half the people I speak to vow never to go but these don’t go to more than 5 games a year at the Ricoh! Unless we have a huge money pot and fook Wasps off it’s either play second fiddle and go back or suffer 6k attendances until a better deal can be done.
Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.
Who put us in this situation you fucking idiot?
Yes, but now that wasps are here, they probably could have made life alot more easy for us.Our ground is occupied because sisu decided to break the lease to try and bust acl.
They also repeatedly said that they were not interested in the ricoh as they were building their own ground.
Lets not lie about why we're at the pig sty.
What exactly did you expect the council to do with a 32k empty stadium? Mothball it just incase sisu were lieing?
We're here because sisu fucked up big time.
Yes the council were courting wasps before we left but were they at the ricoh before we left? No. Look closer to home to point the finger.
How?Pathetic.
Okay a little cynical but I doubt we would see anything near 17k apart from the first game back. Let’s face it we seen 17k attendances very rarely, it generally sat at 11-12k even that season. 2016/17 and 17/18 we rarely got over 10k.Why only 3 or 4K more? Where do those figures come from? We averaged 12k last season. In the Mowbray season, the attendances were as high as 17k until the wheels came off.
Jesus wept.....Our ground is occupied because sisu decided to break the lease to try and bust acl.
They also repeatedly said that they were not interested in the ricoh as they were building their own ground.
Lets not lie about why we're at the pig sty.
What exactly did you expect the council to do with a 32k empty stadium? Mothball it just incase sisu were lieing?
We're here because sisu fucked up big time.
Yes the council were courting wasps before we left but were they at the ricoh before we left? No. Look closer to home to point the finger.
Total and utter delusional bollocks.Quite the contrary- a sensible post to secure the club
What part of that is wrong?Jesus wept.....
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Okay a little cynical but I doubt we would see anything near 17k apart from the first game back. Let’s face it we seen 17k attendances very rarely, it generally sat at 11-12k even that season. 2016/17 and 17/18 we rarely got over 10k.
Not in Birmingham no.Absolute myopic dissolution bollocks.
Do you want to watch your team play or not you fucking idiot?
Payroll? Holidays? Oh I see. As I have a different opinion to you I must be on the councils or wasps payroll? People like you need some more material. I'm not addicted to being on here either as a lot of you lot are. I actually have a life..Guess the holidays are over and your back on the pay roll, what's the betting no posts over New Years Eve and Day.
I think itd be around the 13k mark. Reason being is this is the 2nd time we've been moved and I think this time around the club wont get the reception it did against gillingham as a lot of people would of simply walked away.I think you are 100 percent on with your analysis Stu and I agree we wouldn't be getting 17000 if at the Ricoh.
However, to return our crowds to those levels we need to be in Cov. Don't think we'll ever be able to do it in Birmingham
I think itd be around the 13k mark. Reason being is this is the 2nd time we've been moved and I think this time around the club wont get the reception it did against gillingham as a lot of people would of simply walked away.
Is it just the Ricoh you’d want them to play at? If so they can’t so what do you think they should have done this year to keep your support?I think itd be around the 13k mark. Reason being is this is the 2nd time we've been moved and I think this time around the club wont get the reception it did against gillingham as a lot of people would of simply walked away.
The club playing in Birmingham. It just isn’t right and you might as well be supporting a third Birmingham club. But judging by the crowds there it is not much of a pull for the locals. After all, we are Coventry City.I think people are making the best of a bad situation. I don’t believe anyone prefers cov being in Birmingham.
If you can afford it, and it’s not too much of a pain In the arse in terms of travel, my advice is to get yourself up there.
As far as I can see these are the only two reasons not to attend. Especially if you miss it and are “very tempted”. I mean, and this may be controversial, it’s only football, it’s hardly a huge moral decision. It some time feels like people are proclaiming that they’re conscientious objectors or something. Get up there and enjoy watching city again!
Okay a little cynical but I doubt we would see anything near 17k apart from the first game back. Let’s face it we seen 17k attendances very rarely, it generally sat at 11-12k even that season. 2016/17 and 17/18 we rarely got over 10k.
I think he was making a comparison with the Mowbray season, which I think is a fair one. Around the new year/Xmas period that season we got 15.5K against Oldham, 17.7K for Port Vale, 15.5K for Walsall and 17.1K for Burton, in 4 consecutive games and the away followings from those teams wasn't great. I think we'd at least match last seasons average of 13K if we were playing in Cov.
I thought that for Northampton but it’s different this season we had no choice and still don’tThe club playing in Birmingham. It just isn’t right and you might as well be supporting a third Birmingham club. But judging by the crowds there it is not much of a pull for the locals. After all, we are Coventry City.
The moral argument is more principle. The more fans go to Birmingham the more we lose as a city. SISU does not give a toss about the city or the fans. But they have their own principles driven by what they consider to be right and just.
You’ll have no argument from me on that, it isn’t right. I also think every fan that goes to St. Andrews thinks the same...we should be playing in Coventry. In the short/medium term this seems unlikely. Where would you like us to play? The Rioch doesn’t seem a viable option.The club playing in Birmingham. It just isn’t right and you might as well be supporting a third Birmingham club. But judging by the crowds there it is not much of a pull for the locals. After all, we are Coventry City.
The moral argument is more principle. The more fans go to Birmingham the more we lose as a city. SISU does not give a toss about the city or the fans. But they have their own principles driven by what they consider to be right and just.
I actually work at land rover solihull
Any more news on a return Ferret or has that gone quiet (apologies for putting you on the spot!)
That proves you don't give a shit about football, your not gonna achieve anything and your not watching footballNot in Birmingham no.
Irony
I suppose you'd rather work at land rover if it was based in Coventry, but as it's outside our city, you have to travel?
I have a certain sympathy for people not going (frankly, it should be of concern that we wipe so many people off our average gate so quickly), but this is a nonsensical statement.if people hadn’t gone to Northampton sisu would most likely not repeated the same fuck up
And there certainly is a lack of ground progress! Nero did better, even stopping to play a tune or two.We MUST play in our home town ASAP...where’s the proof that sisu will build a ground? Fucking no where...zero
Lie after lie after fucking lie
Here’s a thought. Saracens were docked points and fined for salary cap breach. If Wasps have cooked their books although it might not be to bypass the salary cap but because of the bonds is it possible that it’s inadvertently put them in the same breach of rules as Saracens and therefore face the same punishment? We can hope.
Based on information known at the time. The breach was 10’s of thousands and deemed accidental whereas the Saracens breach was in the millions and deemed deliberate. If an outcome of the FCA investigation is that Wasps breach was actually more serious than known at the time and if it’s proven that they’ve deliberately cooked the books then given the severity of Saracens punishment the RFU would surely have to revisit the punishment given to Wasps at the time. There’s a big difference between accidentally doing something and deliberately doing something.No they’ve been fined for it already - breach of salary cap
I think Wasps' issues will be about how they're reporting income rather than expenditure. You wonder whether the cash investment from Richardson that they tried to report as revenue was just the overt bit...Based on information known at the time. The breach was 10’s of thousands and deemed accidental whereas the Saracens breach was in the millions and deemed deliberate. If an outcome of the FCA investigation is that Wasps breach was actually more serious than known at the time and if it’s proven that they’ve deliberately cooked the books then given the severity of Saracens punishment the RFU would surely have to revisit the punishment given to Wasps at the time. There’s a big difference between accidentally doing something and deliberately doing something.
A poor angle to come from and “blame” people who decide not to go as if it’s the fans fault.If people don’t go to Brum we won’t have a club to come back or is this too much to comprehend?
Wasps have us over a barrel yet people want us back at a huge financial disadvantage what ever as long as we play in “Cov”.
We will just continue to be a small team in the 3rd division forever. Travel costs ffs it’s £5 return at many places and your back in Coventry by 6.30 at the latest.
We want our own destiny we all do but it has to be achieved and going back cap in hand isn’t going to do it.
Half the people I speak to vow never to go but these don’t go to more than 5 games a year at the Ricoh! Unless we have a huge money pot and fook Wasps off it’s either play second fiddle and go back or suffer 6k attendances until a better deal can be done.
Based on information known at the time. The breach was 10’s of thousands and deemed accidental whereas the Saracens breach was in the millions and deemed deliberate. If an outcome of the FCA investigation is that Wasps breach was actually more serious than known at the time and if it’s proven that they’ve deliberately cooked the books then given the severity of Saracens punishment the RFU would surely have to revisit the punishment given to Wasps at the time. There’s a big difference between accidentally doing something and deliberately doing something.
Is it punishable by a points deduction?It’s a total different issue to salary cap offences
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