Isn't that what I just said in my last post? From there point it does make sense to sell the pieces individually. Because at the moment they don't have a football club to sell, it doesn't work.From their point of view though if they can make 5 times the value why wouldn't they do it that way?
From our perspective it's dog shit. They will happily keep the club at arms length ticking over on it's own.
Isn't that what I just said in my last post? From there point it does make sense to sell the pieces individually. Because at the moment they don't have a football club to sell, it doesn't work.
That doesn't make the hofman bid shit, derisory or whatever. He's bidding on a broken product.
Why shouldn't he ignore the debt after all Sisu areIt does, because it's nowhere near the value of what he is bidding on. What he is bidding on isn't really broken is it?
I can understand not bidding the full amount and trying to get it for less but not shed loads lower and also ignoring the debt.
Isn't it?It does, because it's nowhere near the value of what he is bidding on. What he is bidding on isn't really broken is it?
I can understand not bidding the full amount and trying to get it for less but not shed loads lower and also ignoring the debt.
They have 6 times more to sell than what's been offered.
You are looking really stupid.
Jesus Christ Wingy what is wrong with you?Isn't it?
Seriously?
He's bidding for a football club but what he would be receiving is not a football club or at least not a working one. How is it not broken?It does, because it's nowhere near the value of what he is bidding on. What he is bidding on isn't really broken is it?
I can understand not bidding the full amount and trying to get it for less but not shed loads lower and also ignoring the debt.
EasySo you're valuing the club at £7.2M possibly rising to £72M then.? Have a word with yourself. Someone purchased Wolves for £30M last year with a ground, training ground and academy base, a championship squad, little debt and turning over a profit. How do you quantify your statement?
He's bidding for a football club but what he would be receiving is not a football club or at least not a working one. How is it not broken?
Easy
And what all the mess with the academy and stadium, probably the two most important things at a football club just goes away like that does it?He's bidding for all of the good bits of a football club isn't he and not wanting the bad bits?
I'd say a CCFC with no debt at all running close to break even isn't that broken, I'd say it's a great base to build on.
But if they sell Ryton, the club would have no where to train, no changing facilities, no gym facilities, and probably no medical facilities, it would be hard to imagine how the club could even pretend to be a professional football clubHow's it silly then? As he will be getting Willis and other players / ryton too.
And what all the mess with the academy and stadium, probably the two most important things at a football club just goes away like that does it?
But if they sell Ryton, the club would have no where to train, no changing facilities, no gym facilities, and probably no medical facilities, it would be hard to imagine how the club could even pretend to be a professional football club
anymore.
Not sure we would get much for Willis, and there is no guarantee clubs would pay more than a million now for Stevenson, they may but I wouldn't bank on it. Clubs targets may have changed. We are now a fourth division club,with 4th division players,they generally don't attract huge fees.
Plus if season tickets sales are down by say 80%, again they may not, we just don't know, but then the club could be facing the prospect of it haemorrhaging money. Again all iffs and maybes, but then Hoffman's offer may look more generous than it does now. Particularly if the ground situation still remains deadlocked.
Really?I think it would be pretty much like magic actually.
Really?
You think Wasps would bend over backwards to help the club with the academy and stadium, giving us exactly what we need to grow again and become strong again? Or you think the council will go out of there way to help the club build new high quality facilities within the city, how we would afford to build them I have no idea?
I'd imagine it would be resolved to a point and stop the fighting but fixed? Not a chance, any deal would be largely on wasps terms. The club are going to be feeling the effects of the last 4 years for the next 100.
So they won't magically go away thenNo, there isn't going to be an amazing new CCFC stadium, custom training ground and academy etc but that's what Hoffman will be planning.
None of them will be bending over backwards but I think there will be some back scratching going on.
As I said above, if it was me I'd look to do what Pompey did with fan funding and set something up that can earn a bit of money and be community based too for a training facility. I have no idea what grants would / could be available for that sort of thing if SBITC were based there too.
And you think SISU will pay for something like that, but plus of course there would be the small matter, they would need some land to build it on. Fisher has apparently spent the last 4 years looking for land for our mystical new stadium, so I wouldn't put too much faith in us getting any new facility anytime soon.
So they won't magically go away then
And you think SISU will pay for something like that, but plus of course there would be the small matter, they would need some land to build it on. Fisher has apparently spent the last 4 years looking for land for our mystical new stadium, so I wouldn't put too much faith in us getting any new facility anytime soon.
Saw recently that Wasps hope shortly to start building their new facility at the Higgs Centre, and hope to move there by the end of the year. So shortly it seems we will be probably losing our Academy facility as well. Happy days.
Ok so that is not fixing the problem.They will with the fact we will magically have somewhere to play and for the academy to be overnight.
Ok so that is not fixing the problem.
The long term problems remain Sisu or no Sisu
Still broken
If there was no other option then probably yes.I wouldn't say it was broken.
It also depends on the deal Hoffman can get with Wasps, he wouldn't be so naive to sign up long term with no value for the club would he?
If there was no other option then probably yes.
You are sound oddly Italia like now who also thinks it will be great once we get in with wasps
Sorry I misread when you said it would be a great base to start from, it's now not great?I'm not saying it would be great.
I'm saying that is what he is likely to do.
I'd love a CCFC stadium and training complex with academy which is I think something they could still work towards. It wouldn't be a massive task to fund a training ground place, certainly do-able and then that could do the 365 revenues as wellThat's where Elliott comes in handy with his hand shaking. That would just leave the stadium situation which can then be looked at.
If they are planning on taking over Ryton, no reason why they can't use that to actually sell off and build somewhere with that money toward it. If they tell SISU to keep Ryton to keep the prices down then get down to the Uni's and arse lick to get in there while something is financed and built that's our (CCFC's) own. Offer them work placements and experience for their students, tell them they can come and look after our academy and have free match tickets and tracksuits etc.
There's plenty that could probably be done with a bit of thought to help CCFC build up again.
Sorry I misread when you said it would be a great base to start from, it's now not great?
I agree that would be likely what he would do, it would also likely be a deal which makes it difficult to sustain even championship football.
I'd still think for what he wants it wouldn't be enough.
Breakeven as long as we sell a player for a few million every year right?
Ah it's a great base now because we have nothing to begin with, so it gives us...options
But again not a great base to work from is it. Breakeven as long as we sell players for a few million every year, not that I really have problem with that but it requires a steady stream of talent.Again, he wouldn't be SISU and this is just going on what I would do and I am no expert on running a football club. He would ideally be working as hard as possible to get that breakeven figure higher year on year anyway.
He has the advantage he isn't Fisher, all he would need to do is go to a fans forum for example and basically explain the situation and make fans feel involved and grow things. Send elliott on missions for advertising and handshakes.
If somebody other than Fisher tried to run us at breakeven properly, it could work. It wouldn't be a promotion every year to the champions league but it would be a lot more secure for our future.
No probably not any better, I've accepted the damage done over the last 4 years is likely permanent long after Sisu. Our ceiling now is L1/ championship similar to Barnsley/Rotherham etc.So it would be better for example with a 25 year agreement for a stadium that we can't afford? We would have a agreement then at least....
It's obviously not as good as if Wasps weren't here as it means the new owner could potentially buy the stadium then.
But again not a great base to work from is it. Breakeven as long as we sell players for a few million every year, not that I really have problem with that but it requires a steady stream of talent.
Good job theyve got the academy under control...
No probably not any better, I've accepted the damage done over the last 4 years is likely permanent long after Sisu. Our ceiling now is L1/ championship similar to Barnsley/Rotherham etc.
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