Waste of time Sisu's front man/puppet going they will just replace him with another!
Something you don't do is pick apart Sisu who are pulling the strings!
You just focus on trying to make everyone else accountable. The problem with that is they don't own CCFC!
I have also pointed out about their bollocks. Have a look at the JS statement thread where somebody tried to argue with me saying it was bullshit and where I pointed out why. Have a look at the essay type Fisher threads where I pick apart why he should go
So no one is saying the Hoffman bid is not enough ?Christ, why are things so difficult for some people? There is no negativity around Hoffman. Similarly no one is happy with SISU.
fairplay. should warn you against beleiving st sales will go directly to budget though?
So no one is saying the Hoffman bid is not enough ?
No one is saying he should put the full value in from day one ?
It's only a few I know but they are there.
I want him to continue trying but we need to all get behind him if he does.
Any negativity towards him will dilute his efforts and make Sisu believe they have a case.
We need to be 100% behind his efforts and 100% behind getting Sisu out.
But what percentage?ST sales will go towards the budget. Unless SISU are putting all of the money in to pay the players themselves...
But what percentage?
It appears to me that interest payments are equivalent to player budget. Okay they are not taking it out but what we owe them keeps growing and ties them more into not releasing the club.
Black and white to me.Black and white to me.
Sisu or anyone else?
Anyone else every time. The fans will make it work.
So you know who they are then? Who are they?I've mentioned it before. There not local businessman. Well, at least three of them aren't. Wouldn't call them Cov fans either. Still, sounds good in the press.
Regarding including player sales in a deal. What would you allow SISU to have? The upfront payment, monthly instalments, sell on % or all of it? Would allowing SISU who would no longer own the football club have a right to player sales contravene 3rd party ownership? Just thoughts.
While I agree with you wholeheartedly on this, tbf getting rid of Fisher is not a novel view among fans...Waste of time Sisu's front man/puppet going they will just replace him with another!
So you are clearly in the 'pay over the odds' camp.Posts on a forum will dilute his efforts? Here's a plan, why not get an amazing bid and plan that nobody can be cynical about? If posts on a forum are going to ruin his efforts then what happens when it reaches SISU?
You said yourself that bids would be rejected. Is that not negative also?
People will be behind him if they see and hear things to get behind. People will always be cynical rather than blindly follow things.
So you know who they are then? Who are they?
No we won't.We will see won't we when accounts come out to get a better idea for next season?
It's all over isn't it so you might as well come out with it now.Wouldn't want to scupper a bid. Funny thing is SISU don't know who the investors are, so who's leaking the info?
At least we were in the PL not heading out of it. Happy times !!Black and white to me.
Robinson and McGinnity or anyone else?
Anyone else every time. The fans will make it work.
ST sales will go towards the budget. Unless SISU are putting all of the money in to pay the players themselves...
Because SISU listen to the fans...Any negativity towards him will dilute his efforts and make Sisu believe they have a case.
some of it will go in. will all of it to ensure more players can be brought in with competitive wages?
when have been promised top 10 budget only to be told later in season actually its lower mid table budget it makes you grow weary.
It's all over isn't it so you might as well come out with it now.
Fisher still has a fan club of fans around him. He needs to be isolated.Because SISU listen to the fans...
But the player figures are lost in the overall figures.The accounts will paint a picture of money in and out roughly won't it? If it turns out SISU are milking it then I agree with you. If it turns out it's still going on running the club and expenses away from the wage budget then it's hardly the same.
The accounts will paint a picture of money in and out roughly won't it? If it turns out SISU are milking it then I agree with you. If it turns out it's still going on running the club and expenses away from the wage budget then it's hardly the same.
Did it ever start? The names I were told have been linked before.[/QUOT]
You were the one that said you didn't want to scupper a deal so you must have thought there was, or not so you don't know fair enough
But the player figures are lost in the overall figures.
:emoji_clap:Lets be clear about a few things
I welcome the fact that GH has had the balls to try to do something. I know he has the best interests of the club at heart but in the manner in which he sees those interests. That's his truth or understanding not necessarily yours or mine and that is perfectly fine. I agree with some of it, question other parts
I applaud that he hasn't seen fit to give in and remains prepared to talk
I find all these fans leaks whatever the source, at least some of which are quite deliberate, to be unprofessional, telling and unhelpful. The proper statements made by GH I welcome as the right way to go about things
I lament the fact that there is not more interest from other parties, not because of any negativity towards Hoffman but because I believe competition could drive the best deal for CCFC future (unfortunately that probably drives up the benefit for SISU, to me an unwelcome side effect they deserve nothing but they can pragmatically expect more than worth). We can not afford to get the new ownership wrong
I am entitled, the same as anyone one else, to question the motives and actions of SISU, CCC, Wasps, CCFC, Fisher and yes Hoffman & Elliot - and will continue as I have for years, to do so in as fair manner as I can.
I am entitled to use my knowledge of CCFC, this whole saga and financial matters to raise questions. GH is not, nor should not be excluded from question- that is not picking sides that is simply looking beyond the obvious. Having met him I know he is open to being questioned. If I question or explain elements of the bid, or the potential reaction of Seppala or SISU, it is exactly that. It is not taking sides, it is not arguing personalities or dissing GH or giving JS/SISU my support or credit
I am not interested in the personalities, I am interested in the nuts and bolts of it all. I do not care if GH is a well meaning caring CCFC fan, so am I, so are you - does the bid work
It is vital to stand back from the emotive side of all this, not always easy, SISU & JS are not interested in the emotions so you have to deal with them on that basis, you have to deal with them in terms of finance. CCFC is not on the SISU doorstep - stirring things up in Coventry might not even be recognised by them
I think the current bid is under funded, gives too much potential away if it is ever realised, gives me concerns about working capital then ending up in a similar financial state to now in a few years time and is well short of what it takes to get JS to even start to negotiate. I believe it was, is, and will be destined to failure unless significant cash funds can be offered as a down payment with significant working capital to back it up for several years. That's my opinion
It is too important to CCFC future to simply accept without real question something simply because it is the alternative to SISU
I think the basis of the bid has been what can be put together then dress up rather than estimating what is JS looking for and how do we talk her down
I am concerned about the divisions within the fans over this whole saga which to be honest appear to have got more bitter because of claims of boycotts, NOPM and even by questioning a bid. I do not like the name calling and insults we are all supposed to be CCFC doesn't mean we share the same truths or opinions
My conscience is clear over SISU, I was warning about the drive and motives of a hedge fund in 2008 and have consistently challenged them ever since. I want them gone like yesterday but not at any cost. It has to be the right deal, whilst the club is cash flow balanced then the club is safe & parked in the immediate term and there is a little time.
I think it is up to any individual to choose for whatever reason to go to matches some, all or none of the time - I respect whatever choice is made
I am entitled to my opinion, my view point, to express or explain facts as I see them (usually with reference to evidence). I usually indicate or make obvious when it is my opinion. Everyone is entitled to express their opinion or viewpoint - argue it certainly but respect it
If some people are not happy with all that - tough
- this has been a party political broadcast on behalf of me
breathe
I would guess the negativity around Hoffman and the bids may give the appearance that some on here prefer Sisu.
is it any worse than current model that has led to 2 relegations?
food for thought.
Yes, it looks worse. The bid if succesful will take away a significant part of the clubs income and transfer it to SISU the next 3 years.
That will leave even less to run the club.
Remember how people over the years have been up in arms about sisu taking money from the club? I can't count how many times those claims have been proven wrong.
This bid if succesful will make sure sisu take out money from the club in the next 3 years - or more.
We need a clean break.
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