Rumour: Hoffman and Elliot takeover negotiations (30 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

According to you this is all part of a planned and coordinated conspiracy set to distress CCFC so that a wealthy consortium can buy the club on the cheap.
What I see is a club run into the ground by the current owners where fans in their droves have given up going, not through any coordinated boycott, but simply because they have lost hope and faith that things will ever get better.
From the very start of Hoffman's interest you have been completely negative towards him and the bids he has made. Another investor appears on the scene and you can't accept this as being good news, it is all part of "the conspiracy", the "hidden agenda" that you constantly hint at and only you can see.
I don't think there is any conspiracy but if there was and this group were using tactics to get at Sisu and ultimately take control of the club then I would be supportive of what they were doing.
Back in the real world almost all City fans would welcome new owners with open arms. It is only you and a few others who see intrigue where there is none who try to put a dampener on what can only be good for CCFC.
Of course you will say that you, like everyone else want Sisu gone. This certainly does not come across in the way that you try to disparage those who protest about Sisu and the things they have done or those who are trying to buy the club.

well put

 

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[hill83]

Tynan. You going to embarrass me now and tell me he's long gone?? :emoji_anguished:

Email the ticket office or one of the other standard email addresses. It is shit that he didn't reply, but to be honest if I get an email directly to me at work it gets ignored. Cover all bases if you want a response.

 

[Nick]

According to you this is all part of a planned and coordinated conspiracy set to distress CCFC so that a wealthy consortium can buy the club on the cheap.
What I see is a club run into the ground by the current owners where fans in their droves have given up going, not through any coordinated boycott, but simply because they have lost hope and faith that things will ever get better.
From the very start of Hoffman's interest you have been completely negative towards him and the bids he has made. Another investor appears on the scene and you can't accept this as being good news, it is all part of "the conspiracy", the "hidden agenda" that you constantly hint at and only you can see.
I don't think there is any conspiracy but if there was and this group were using tactics to get at Sisu and ultimately take control of the club then I would be supportive of what they were doing.
Back in the real world almost all City fans would welcome new owners with open arms. It is only you and a few others who see intrigue where there is none who try to put a dampener on what can only be good for CCFC.
Of course you will say that you, like everyone else want Sisu gone. This certainly does not come across in the way that you try to disparage those who protest about Sisu and the things they have done or those who are trying to buy the club.

The bids haven't changed so far whether an investor has come out or not. All it has done is make you wonder what the "sold up for £208m" stuff is about doesn't it?

I'd love a takeover to happen, it doesn't mean there isn't a bigger picture and a game being played.

If people don't think it's all tactical they are being a bit naive. Hoffman goes from upset that it went public to a full blown PR offensive?

If it all comes off and CCFC live happily ever after it would be amazing, however what happens if it ends up like when Haskell was sniffing about?

 

[chiefdave]

Tynan. You going to embarrass me now and tell me he's long gone?? :emoji_anguished:

I know our staff levels have been cut to the absolute minimum but theres no excuse for not responding to mails like that. Should be a priority. Most of it would be cut and paste anyway most likely.

 

[olderskyblue]

Email the ticket office or one of the other standard email addresses. It is shit that he didn't reply, but to be honest if I get an email directly to me at work it gets ignored. Cover all bases if you want a response.

tbf, i emailed him last year about something and he responded reasonably quickly.

but, to answer your point, i'm not going to bother emailing anyone else. I'll see how I feel over the next few weeks, maybe things might change.

 

[ccfcway]

I think also, you/we need to think about why people are not buying. me? I'm not boycotting, I just can't be bothered. I sent an email to the club asking questions about the membership packages, as I was thinking about moving from premium to an even higher cost seat. No answer. So, if they aren't bothered... etc.

dreadful, but typical. oh well, back to blaming PR for our demise.....

 

[Skybluefaz]

“I’d want, out of the 43,000 who went to Wembley, half of them to commit to season tickets."
Do we think that will ever happen at CCFC?

 

[ccfcway]

“I’d want, out of the 43,000 who went to Wembley, half of them to commit to season tickets."
Do we think that will ever happen at CCFC?

well, id start by emailing them or writing to them and saying a) thank you and b) would you like come come more often, here's some discount vouchers etc.
4 of us went and bought tickets under brothers name who isn't on the mailing list. He hasn't had anything from the club at all. Another wasted opportunity

 

[chiefdave]

“I’d want, out of the 43,000 who went to Wembley, half of them to commit to season tickets."
Do we think that will ever happen at CCFC?

Who said that and can we get a doctor out to him ASAP.

 

[chiefdave]

you might change your mind when they reveal the next investor ?

 

[Skybluefaz]

Who said that and can we get a doctor out to him ASAP.

It's one of the latest drip fed snippets on the telegraph from the Overson interview.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

Are people being deliberately thick? You've got one of the investors in the Telegraph saying if we don't sell many season tickets it might force SISU to sell up. How can you not interpret that as encouraging a boycott?

People aren't buying the tickets because of the way the club has been run and what they see on the pitch. Football fans aren't sheep, they are not a race apart. If what they are paying for isn't very good then they will stop paying for it. They are very unlikely to listen to a random business man who most have never heard of before today and decide not to buy. That business man would also be pretty naive to think he would have such an influence. It seems to me he is simply commenting on a fact. Lack is season ticket sales don't need to be encouraged, it is happening already.
It is very sad that our club has reached a point where only 2k people commit for a season, something that Fisher and Sisu are solely responsible for.

 

[Nick]

People aren't buying the tickets because of the way the club has been run and what they see on the pitch. Football fans aren't sheep, they are not a race apart. If what they are paying for isn't very good then they will stop paying for it. They are very unlikely to listen to a random business man who most have never heard of before today and decide not to buy. That business man would also be pretty naive to think he would have such an influence. It seems to me he is simply commenting on a fact. Lack is season ticket sales don't need to be encouraged, it is happening already.
It is very sad that our club has reached a point where only 2k people commit for a season, something that Fisher and Sisu are solely responsible for.

So if he can't influence things, what is the intention of the article today?

 

[chiefdave]

People aren't buying the tickets because of the way the club has been run and what they see on the pitch

I get that and I've said be for that's fair enough - its not exactly a fun Saturday afternoon out. But we've had Hoffman, the Jimmy Hill Way chap and now this guy all talking about not buying season tickets. Whilst no one has come out and formally announced a boycott its not hard to connect the dots and there are people who would be influenced.

 

[olderskyblue]

Who said that and can we get a doctor out to him ASAP.

Jeremy Corbyn...

 

[covcity4life]

“I’d want, out of the 43,000 who went to Wembley, half of them to commit to season tickets."
Do we think that will ever happen at CCFC?

£150 a pop it would have happened this season!!!!!!!!!

well maybe not 21.5k but i think we would have had 8-9k st holders at that price. and thats just year one,if get got promoted it would be start of bringing fans back

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

So if he can't influence things, what is the intention of the article today?

I said he wouldn't influence fans. It seems he hopes it might have an impact on Sepalla.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Are people being deliberately thick? You've got one of the investors in the Telegraph saying if we don't sell many season tickets it might force SISU to sell up. How can you not interpret that as encouraging a boycott?

For one thing surely they would have done it at the time of the first bid well I would have. But then again perhaps they are as incompetent as Sisu

 

[Nick]

I said he wouldn't influence fans. It seems he hopes it might have an impact on Sepalla.

The only thing that will influence her is money.

Why is an article with him telling the fans stuff they want to hear (dont get me wrong, loads of money on players etc etc is great) going to impact her?

Them telling me how great they will be doesn't matter until they have bought the club, once they have then tell me how I can fan fund or invest to go towards it. I'll have a season ticket either way and would happily pay more.

Until they have bought the club, what's getting fans excited going to do. How can they change anything?

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I get that and I've said be for that's fair enough - its not exactly a fun Saturday afternoon out. But we've had Hoffman, the Jimmy Hill Way chap and now this guy all talking about not buying season tickets. Whilst no one has come out and formally announced a boycott its not hard to connect the dots and there are people who would be influenced.

Would you be influenced? I would make my own mind up. The fact is that I probably will renew next week. If I genuinely felt not buying a ST would get rid of Sisu quicker, then I wouldn't buy. I support the marches, the Trust and the actions of the Jimmy Hill Way group. However like most people and like you I am sure, I will make up my own mind.

 

[Skybluefaz]

£150 a pop it would have happened this season!!!!!!!!!

well maybe not 21.5k but i think we would have had 8-9k st holders at that price. and thats just year one,if get got promoted it would be start of bringing fans back

If they complete the takeover and drop it to 150 and refund those who have paid full price I think they might make it to 10k.

 

[RegTheDonk]

I am sure this guy didn't get to where he is by offering £20m for something worth virtually nothing

It's not the amount ccfcway, I don't care if he bids £20M or £20 dead....Mr Overson has come in public to keep the ball rolling, its painted he's got a lot of money and hes said he's "willing to put money in and I’m not looking for a return. Lets get the club back to the city, playing in the city and back to the supporters..." To me, that's the words of someone not looking to invest money in something that is worthless, thats somone who has a few bob to throw away on something he feels passionate about.

I'm just saying, stop the fannying around, put your money on the table so she knows the score and give the cow a deadline.

 

[covcity4life]

who are these guys? what are they hiding? we dont want another faceless hedge fund to take us over!


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why are you telling me who you are! now we know how much money you have, dont tell me this information, i dont want to know!

 

[Chipfat]

That's what makes me wonder if it's Hoffman and how she would be if a stranger wanted to discuss it.

That's makes sense to be honest and maybe why Hoff stated on talk sport the past history isn't good and needs to be forgotten to move forward.

 

[Nick]

who are these guys? what are they hiding? we dont want another faceless hedge fund to take us over!


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why are you telling me who you are! now we know how much money you have, dont tell me this information, i dont want to know!

It isn't saying I don't want to know. It's asking why are they suddenly saying it now? It's not so much who is, it's the full blown media assault in the telegraph and on the radio.

What does appealing to fans at the minute do? If they want fans to invest then they will.

He has sold the dream of investment in players, fans on the board, huge attendances etc. So what can we do as fans now?

 

[Captain Dart]

I'm just waiting for "SISU will cut budgets if ST sales don't improve", yet we're already assembling our squad without any real knowledge what the final ST figure will be... thus proving ST sales aren't effecting the budget so far...

I reckon the final monies are being spent, was it not estimated at £0.5M.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

The only thing that will influence her is money.

Why is an article with him telling the fans stuff they want to hear (dont get me wrong, loads of money on players etc etc is great) going to impact her?

I am not a business man. If he has made the money that he seems to have then he surely has some nous about the way that things work and perhaps what will get Sepalla's attention. They have been banging on about knowing who the investors are and proof of funds. Presumably now they know there is one less obstacle to discussion.
If you mean by " telling fans what they want to hear" giving people hope, then yes I would agree it does that. I don't see any thing else behind this unless it is a coded instruction for supporters to man the barricades. I certainly don't see the code if it is. Just how many season tickets do you think will not now be sold as a result of this this article? Surely to have an influence on Sisu's thinking it would have do be at least 1k. Do you think we would have sold 1k more and do you think this article is responsible for them selling 1k less. (1k is a bit of an arbitrary figure). Pretty useless conspiracy if it achieves less than this don't you think?

 

[Nick]

I am not a business man. If he has made the money that he seems to have then he surely has some nous about the way that things work and perhaps what will get Sepalla's attention. They have been banging on about knowing who the investors are and proof of funds. Presumably now they know there is one less obstacle to discussion.
If you mean by " telling fans what they want to hear" giving people hope, then yes I would agree it does that. I don't see any thing else behind this unless it is a coded instruction for supporters to man the barricades. I certainly don't see the code if it is. Just how many season tickets do you think will not now be sold as a result of this this article? Surely to have an influence on Sisu's thinking it would have do be at least 1k. Do you think we would have sold 1k more and do you think this article is responsible for them selling 1k less. (1k is a bit of an arbitrary figure). Pretty useless conspiracy if it achieves less than this don't you think?

Yes but what does selling the fans the dream do? Every city fan wants a full stadium, every city fan wants to win every week, every city fan wants owners who will plough money in and never want it back. I want that, but what good is telling me that but what's the call to action? If there was a "but for you fans to help we all need £500 now" then it's different.

Again, you are taking this article on it's own rather than a bigger picture.

 

[covcity4life]

It isn't saying I don't want to know. It's asking why are they suddenly saying it now? It's not so much who is, it's the full blown media assault in the telegraph and on the radio.

What does appealing to fans at the minute do? If they want fans to invest then they will.

He has sold the dream of investment in players, fans on the board, huge attendances etc. So what can we do as fans now?

we are in deadlock at minute. 3 bids rejected. ready for a 4th but want sisu to give them an inkling of what they want

talksport,telegraph whatever, yeh it is probably to get things moving somewhere somehow. that is not a bad thing though.

 

[Nick]

we are in deadlock at minute. 3 bids rejected. ready for a 4th but want sisu to give them an inkling of what they want

talksport,telegraph whatever, yeh it is probably to get things moving somewhere somehow. that is not a bad thing though.

That's the thing, money will get things moving.

That's not saying I think they should give SISU £100m, it's just the sad truth of what will get things going.

How will loads of cov fans dreaming of a happy ever after get things moving?

 

[covcity4life]

That's the thing, money will get things moving.

That's not saying I think they should give SISU £100m, it's just the sad truth of what will get things going.

How will loads of cov fans dreaming of a happy ever after get things moving?

yeah but they are shooting in the dark (or whatever the saying is) right now

its a game of poker, why throw 8m at sisu if they would accept 6m for e.g

 

[Nick]

yeah but they are shooting in the dark (or whatever the saying is) right now

its a game of poker, why throw 8m at sisu if they would accept 6m for e.g

So what does the article from today and a radio interview do to change shooting in the dark?

That's what I don't get.

It makes a takeover sound even better with all of the promises to us fans, but how does it get the takeover any closer?

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

yeah but they are shooting in the dark (or whatever the saying is) right now

its a game of poker, why throw 8m at sisu if they would accept 6m for e.g

I honestly think £7m-£8m cash with no ties to SISU should do it.

 

[sky blue john]

This is the only conspiracy theory i'm aware of is -
An un-named forum owner purposefully wumming for monetry gain!

 

[Nick]

This is the only conspiracy theory i'm aware of is -
An un-named forum owner purposefully wumming for monetry gain!

The funniest thing is I was saying the same as you and you still haven't realised and keep going.

You must be an accidental WUM.