Seppala Interview on Sky Sports News (4 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

If, as we have repeatedly been assured, the council did not wrong then there will be no consequence to Wasps, will not involve Wasps, and is a total irrelevance to Wasps.

Its simple, Wasps put a condition in place. The club and SISU met that condition. The condition was changed.

So it ties nothing up in the meantime? They can just laugh, go about their everyday business, and they don't have to assess a risk, divert to analysing a risk, potentially have to set aside for a risk, and then go to sponsors with all this bad publicity and say that in this case, the smoke is without fire so give us what you would anyway?

Of course there's a consequence, regardless of right or wrong!

That also, incidentally, applies to Otium...

 

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[Nick]

So it ties nothing up in the meantime? They can just laugh, go about their everyday business, and they don't have to assess a risk, divert to analysing a risk, potentially have to set aside for a risk, and then go to sponsors with all this bad publicity and say that in this case, the smoke is without fire so give us what you would anyway?

Of course there's a consequence, regardless of right or wrong!

That also, incidentally, applies to Otium...

Do you think they were worried about the football club's sponsors when their bloke was trying to encourage protests do you think?

You are showing an awful lot of sympathy for Wasps here and the things they need to do. Were they thinking of that whilst speaking with Hoffman and plotting things there or telling David Johnson a Phoenix club could play there? How about when they were making life difficult for the club by closing corporate boxes at short notice?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Do you think they were worried about the football club's sponsors when their bloke was trying to encourage protests do you think?

Again, the aha, so look over here at something completely different doesn't make my point invalid.

 

[Jcap]

Why do so many people give a shit about Wasps? If they didn't put the appropriate indemnity in place with CCC on buying the stadium lease, then quite frankly they deserve all the shit coming to them if there is a case to be answered for with EC.

 

[djr8369]

Again, the aha, so look over here at something completely different doesn't make my point invalid.

That is exactly the tactic you are employing.


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[chiefdave]

So it ties nothing up in the meantime? They can just laugh, go about their everyday business, and they don't have to assess a risk, divert to analysing a risk, potentially have to set aside for a risk, and then go to sponsors with all this bad publicity and say that in this case, the smoke is without fire so give us what you would anyway?

Of course there's a consequence, regardless of right or wrong!

That also, incidentally, applies to Otium...

What does it tie up? Its for the EC to decide if they will investigate CCC. It has nothing to do with Wasps. If they decide an investigation should proceed it will be against CCC not Wasps and any defence and associated costs will be the councils.

Why would Wasps need to set aside for a risk, what is the risk? Can't be the council losing as we've been repeatedly told its not possible for that to happen as everything is above board. If you're saying Wasps fear the council will be found to be in the wrong then trying to blackmail the clubs owners and get any future costs covered by the the clubs owners or the club itself is disgraceful behaviour.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Why do so many people give a shit about Wasps? If they didn't put the appropriate indemnity in place with CCC on buying the stadium lease, then quite frankly they deserve all the shit coming to them if there is a case to be answered for with EC.

The council have nailed their flag on the wasps project - can’t afford it to fail.

The above stance is geared towards the fans who hate sisu more than they love the club

 

[Nick]

Again, the aha, so look over here at something completely different doesn't make my point invalid.

So we should all sympathise with Wasps having to plan in case the council are found to be in the wrong and just accept that they just wanted to do a deal and everything is lovely?

Go back to where I said they are all plotting and scheming.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why do so many people give a shit about Wasps?

I don't give a shit about Wasps. if they die, it'll be a glorious moment.

It's a sheer act of stupidity to not understand their position however.

When it came to Northampton, there was a simplistic narrative that it was all SISU's fault. This was patently untrue. It's a bit of a simplistic narrative, however, to suggest that SISU's actions have had nothing whatsoever to us ending up where we are. The 'need' for an indeminity didn't just appear, after all.

If they didn't put the appropriate indemnity in place with CCC on buying the stadium lease, then quite frankly they deserve all the shit coming to them if there is a case to be answered for with EC.

This I agree with entirely FWIW. It'd show a massive glaring error on their part if that were the case, and would be rash and irresponsible Knowing their was legal action ongoing when you bought the stadium, you'd hardly be surprised when it goes on, and on... and on. I'm not sure I'd have any faith whatsoever in the competence of a business that didn't consider that risk when buying the stadium, it'd be immensely stupid!

 

[Nick]

I don't give a shit about Wasps. if they die, it'll be a glorious moment.

It's a sheer act of stupidity to not understand their position however.

When it came to Northampton, there was a simplistic narrative that it was all SISU's fault. This was patently untrue. It's a bit of a simplistic narrative, however, to suggest that SISU's actions have had nothing whatsoever to us ending up where we are. The 'need' for an indeminity didn't just appear, after all.



This I agree with entirely FWIW. It'd show a massive glaring error on their part if that were the case, and would be rash and irresponsible Knowing their was legal action ongoing when you bought the stadium, you'd hardly be surprised when it goes on, and on... and on. I'm not sure I'd have any faith whatsoever in the competence of a business that didn't consider that risk when buying the stadium, it'd be immensely stupid!

Isn't their position that they want the club, SISU and also individuals to provide indemnity in case there are any damages that arise from the EU stuff?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That is exactly the tactic you are employing.


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Nope.

I pointed out, in response to duffer, who said

As ever, from where we sit as fans it's very hard to see the truth. It's a bit like trying to follow a high ball from the back of the old West End!

He's dead right. I offered an example of a reading:

There's enough in her interview to suggest a perfectly valid reading that she wanted it open for Otium to continue to pursue action.

I've no doubt there'd end up legal action over what constituted legal action too, tbh.

What is there to argue about?!? It's about as uncontroversial as you can get!!

Especially if we're on a board where we're balanced, and blame all sides(!)

 

[Sterling Archer]

The interview is on Skysports website now.

Video (Sky Sports)

Hope they put the full video up rather than 30-40 second clips here and there.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The worst thing is about Wasps position, is if SISU sell, and we have new owners - the club would still be fucked if they lost the EC complaint

 

[Nick]

What is there to argue about?!? It's about as uncontroversial as you can get!!

Especially if we're on a board where we're balanced, and blame all sides(!)

Wasn't the response to pursuing action that they had signed something to call any future action about the Ricoh off (which was also confirmed by Wasps starting talks)? It wasn't really arguing

 

[Jcap]

The council have nailed their flag on the wasps project - can’t afford it to fail.

The above stance is geared towards the fans who hate sisu more than they love the club

My loyalty to the Club overrides any other stance or view I have on the owners, CCC, Wasps or anyone else connected with this sorry saga. IMHO I'd hope this would be same for ALL CCFC supporters.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It has nothing to do with Wasps

It has no consequence for Wasps/ Really?

Really?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

My loyalty to the Club overrides any other stance or view I have on the owners, CCC, Wasps or anyone else connected with this sorry saga. IMHO I'd hope this would be same for ALL CCFC supporters.

You’d be surprised... some members of the clubs own trust want us to go bust

 

[oldfiver]

Isn't their position that they want the club, SISU and also individuals to provide indemnity in case there are any damages that arise from the EU stuff?

( Allegedly)
WASPs wanted indemnity for all and any losses THEY considered arose from the complaint, they then extended that to include their business partners. One could assume that to include CCC and Bond Holders?
They also wanted a sum depositing to cover such an eventuality but, when asked to deposit a similar sum should they have to pay they refused

 

[Nick]

It has no consequence for Wasps/ Really?

Really?

Again isn't that only if CCC are found to be at fault?

There is no denying there is a consequence.

 

[djr8369]

I don't give a shit about Wasps. if they die, it'll be a glorious moment.

It's a sheer act of stupidity to not understand their position however.

When it came to Northampton, there was a simplistic narrative that it was all SISU's fault. This was patently untrue. It's a bit of a simplistic narrative, however, to suggest that SISU's actions have had nothing whatsoever to us ending up where we are. The 'need' for an indeminity didn't just appear, after all.



This I agree with entirely FWIW. It'd show a massive glaring error on their part if that were the case, and would be rash and irresponsible Knowing their was legal action ongoing when you bought the stadium, you'd hardly be surprised when it goes on, and on... and on. I'm not sure I'd have any faith whatsoever in the competence of a business that didn't consider that risk when buying the stadium, it'd be immensely stupid!

Is anybody arguing that it won’t affect them though?

Issues people have seem to be;

1) It’s ridiculous to expect SISU to cover them for any loss.
2) It appears to be an attempt to obstruct the course of justice to expect any legals to be dropped.
3) Why are the council getting involved ?


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[chiefdave]

It has no consequence for Wasps/ Really?

Really?

Maybe you can tell me how, if CCC have done no wrong as we have repeatedly been told, any complaint to the EC about the council is going to have consequences for Wasps?

The point you seem to keep missing is it can only impact Wasps if CCC are found to be in the wrong. If that is the case surely we shouldn't be then siding with Wasps and the council.

 

[ccfc1234]

He was asked a question and replied. Where is the fetish for drama and attention?

My comment was not exclusive to yesterday. Have a look at the amount of air time and coloum inches he has had about his many take over "bids".

Also if he is in bed with Wasps and their owners by allowing them to be in his Alledged consortium he has clearly gone native to the Wasps cause and that stinks and to a large degree condones the shafting we have had from the Council and those in bed with them.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Sisu are unreasonable, we already know this. Despite this they managed to give London Wasps the assurances they demanded for talks to start. After the EC complaint was leaked talks either were or weren't called off but they said themselves that it had been moved past. From what we understand now they are looking to be indemnified against any potential losses. A completely unrealistic position for them to take and something the club or sisu could never agree to. Looking at the stance they are taking now screams of desperation, it looks as though they were doing anything they could to avoid the EC complaint in the first place and when discovering it was submitted asked to be covered against losses, threatening the club and eventually making it homeless. It looks as though they are concerned about what will come from this investigation and if that is the case I fully support it being submitted.

 

[oldfiver]

What does it tie up? Its for the EC to decide if they will investigate CCC. It has nothing to do with Wasps. If they decide an investigation should proceed it will be against CCC not Wasps and any defence and associated costs will be the councils.

Why would Wasps need to set aside for a risk, what is the risk? Can't be the council losing as we've been repeatedly told its not possible for that to happen as everything is above board. If you're saying Wasps fear the council will be found to be in the wrong then trying to blackmail the clubs owners and get any future costs covered by the the clubs owners or the club itself is disgraceful behaviour.

If WASPS undertook a bona fide purchase that meets all the criteria through normal negotiations then they should not be worried ( one would have thought )

However, if they took part in a collusion to get a better deal to suit them and CCC and in so doing broke some EU / Local Government rules - they could have a problem

An extreme position could be, they warrantied CCC that should any disagreement arose over the deal that resulted in a compensation sum - they would would pay

 

[ccfc1234]

Joking aside from my earlier post...

I honestly wish Joy Sepella spoke earlier and a lot more regular to the fans during SISU's tenure. Already I feel a better connection, even with a three minute video
We may not always like what we hear but we would much rather that than faceless owners.

It sounds like a portion of our fans have been complete and utter arseholes attacking her home, that is simply disgusting.

I feel for SISU a little as they have been shafted by both CCC and Wasps, however they cannot be excused for being poor owners overall.

Perhaps this is a chance for them to redeem themselves. Back Robins, get back to the Championship and possibly sell up and you can say that will suit all parties. The sticking point is obviously the stadium and unfortunately with either Wasps or SISU as they are now I can't see us back at the Ricoh unless Wasps are really fucking desperate.

This could get very interesting, there's more that meets the eye to this interview.

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I think what's sad is how long it's taken for some fans to wake up egged on by some slightly more intelligent but equally deluded fans. SISU help fan the flames with their lack of communication and need to see that was a failing. However, these thugs were and probably still are very misinformed and see themselves as doing something virtuous on behalf of the Club we love. Not a Penny More should have been countered intellectually, but that feeling spead like wild fire and the narrative the questionable people at the trust put forward, was never challenged and became the vast majority of fans reality.

 

[speedie87]

What does it tie up? Its for the EC to decide if they will investigate CCC. It has nothing to do with Wasps. If they decide an investigation should proceed it will be against CCC not Wasps and any defence and associated costs will be the councils.

Why would Wasps need to set aside for a risk, what is the risk?

Isn’t the point that if council found of giving state aid the party benefitting has to pay I.e wasps

 

[chiefdave]

Isn’t the point that if council found of giving state aid the party benefitting has to pay I.e wasps

Exactly, so It can only be an issue for Wasps if the council are found to be in the wrong, something we have been repeatedly told isn't the case. That would mean the taxpayer has been deprived of tens of millions.

Should that be the case why would anyone take issue with Wasps being ordered to pay the shortfall or believe that it should be down to the football club to cover any such payment?

I wonder if people would be as supportive of SISU as they are of Wasps if they demanded indemnity from Wasps and / or the council

 

[oldfiver]

Exactly, so It can only be an issue for Wasps if the council are found to be in the wrong, something we have been repeatedly told isn't the case. That would mean the taxpayer has been deprived of tens of millions.

Should that be the case why would anyone take issue with Wasps being ordered to pay the shortfall or believe that it should be down to the football club to cover any such payment?

I wonder if people would be as supportive of SISU as they are of Wasps if they demanded indemnity from Wasps and / or the council

I think it may be if the Council AND WASPS are in the wrong for them to be involved. So their panic has be they think they not 100% in the clear
I think the reports say SISU did ask for counter guarantees ( or whatever the wording was )

 

[olderskyblue]

Exactly, so It can only be an issue for Wasps if the council are found to be in the wrong, something we have been repeatedly told isn't the case. That would mean the taxpayer has been deprived of tens of millions.

Should that be the case why would anyone take issue with Wasps being ordered to pay the shortfall or believe that it should be down to the football club to cover any such payment?

I wonder if people would be as supportive of SISU as they are of Wasps if they demanded indemnity from Wasps and / or the council

Isn't NW just trying to look at it from Wasps viewpoint? Not agreeing with them, or supporting them, but trying to read why things are where they are. He has stated many times his views on them, and his point here is surely, rightly or wrongly, Wasps would have to consider the costs if the EC came to a different decision than the judges.

He is not taking issue with them having to pay, and not agreeing with them asking for indemnities. Just the opposite.

How can you argue that they wouldn't have to consider it?

 

[usskyblue]

Apparently Wasps bought a stadium on the cheap. And although a bunch of judges didn’t uphold that argument, Wasps are probably shitting themselves that the EC will.

But that’s Wasps problem. And probably rightly so. What’s to ‘understand’ ?

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

What we do know as fact.

SISU agreed to drop all legal cases against Wasps.
CCC was involved in a PR movement to discredit SISU.
Wasps at a late stage insisted that SISU indemnified them against any future losses and claims should the EC rule that they bought the lease with part State Aid.

It therefore appears that CCC and Wasps are to blame for today's situation not SISU

 

[Nick]

It therefore appears that CCC and Wasps are to blame for today's situation not SISU

Again, CCC and Wasps being cunts doesn't mean SISU aren't. Of course they are to blame for the situation as well.

 

[oscillatewildly]

I think I can confidently predict the outcome of the EC's findings - Monthly bin collections.

 

[oldfiver]

Again, CCC and Wasps being cunts doesn't mean SISU aren't. Of course they are to blame for the situation as well.

VOR can you clarify if you mean the situation as at today with the current lease position or over all or even both?

 

[oldfiver]

I think I can confidently predict the outcome of the EC's findings - Monthly bin collections.

Only needed two weekly at the Ricoh?