Grendel
Well-Known Member
For once he is correct
So let me get this right.
It is up to us now to prosecute those who commit crimes in other countries?
Yet you mention how bad it can be for others if the precedent is set for someone having their UK citizenship taken off them.
In the olden days, she'd have been burned at the stake for treason.
Nowadays, she's the victim.
are you suggesting we return to burning people at the stake?
In the olden days, she'd have been burned at the stake for treason.
Nowadays, she's the victim.
Christ are you a resurrection of a Salem judge?
In the olden days, she'd have been burned at the stake for treason.
Nowadays, she's the victim.
So let me get this right.
It is up to us now to prosecute those who commit crimes in other countries?
Yet you mention how bad it can be for others if the precedent is set for someone having their UK citizenship taken off them.
In the olden days, she'd have been burned at the stake for treason.
Nowadays, she's the victim.
I can't have it both ways?You can’t have it both ways. Either she’s innocent in the U.K. and it’s nothing to do with us and she should be allowed in with no restrictions, or we do have an issue with her and should apply our laws. As I say, I doubt the “country” she committed her crimes in has the ability or inclination to do anything right now.
I can't have it both ways?
Either people get tried in other countries or we bring them all here for sentencing.
Did she commit any crimes in the UK?
Is it just her you want brought back to stand trial or is it all of them that have left the UK to become terrorists? Sounds like it is in the thousands.If she didn’t, why do you care if she’s let back in?
Not our problem, right?
How can we stop them coming back if we are not keeping an eye on them all?Is it just her you want brought back to stand trial or is it all of them that have left the UK to become terrorists? Sounds like it is in the thousands.
So let's bring back thousands of them. Let's put thousands of them in prison. How long do they get? Do they get to stay in the UK after their sentences? Do we try and keep an eye on them all?
Is it just her you want brought back to stand trial or is it all of them that have left the UK to become terrorists? Sounds like it is in the thousands.
So let's bring back thousands of them. Let's put thousands of them in prison. How long do they get? Do they get to stay in the UK after their sentences? Do we try and keep an eye on them all?
In the olden days your sister would’ve been raped for fun.
We moved on.
Also I don’t think she is a victim solely. She was as a 15 year old but has committed acts since that are awful and criminal and should be held to account for in a just and fair manner
A 15 year old manipulated to break the law ???? MmmmmmmYou shouldn't think shes a victim at all you idiot, she deserves -100 sympathy
A 15 year old manipulated to break the law ???? Mmmmmmm
I’m not The brain isn’t fully matured until after the teenage years. It doesn’t matter if you agree it’s a scientific factShe knew was she was doing, i knew what i was doing at 15 and so does every 15 year old... your making an invalid point
My daughter is 15 and doesn't. Clearly not. She is very impressionable and at times, naïve.She knew was she was doing, i knew what i was doing at 15 and so does every 15 year old... your making an invalid point
But some want to bring them back. That is unless it is just those who ask through the media.How can we stop them coming back if we are not keeping an eye on them all?
But the older she got the worse she got. And at her present age she showed no remorse at all. That was the part that got me.My daughter is 15 and doesn't. Clearly not. She is very impressionable and at times, naïve.
It is a very valid point.
Through the law I supposeBut some want to bring them back. That is unless it is just those who ask through the media.
If we start to bring them back how do we decide who does and who doesn't?
I agree. She has been traumatised by her experiences I’m sure but hard to defend the lack of remorse or regretBut the older she got the worse she got. And at her present age she showed no remorse at all. That was the part that got me.
Yes, true. Do we know how long the radicalisation process took with her, to turn her?But the older she got the worse she got. And at her present age she showed no remorse at all. That was the part that got me.
My daughter is 15 and doesn't. Clearly not. She is very impressionable and at times, naïve.
It is a very valid point.
Not absurd, but not a good idea.I assume you agree 16 is an absurd age to allow the vote as well?
Not absurd, but not a good idea.
My daughter's head of year rang me last week and said my daughter is one of the most mature students in her year.
Listening to my daughter talk about her peers, yep, at 16 they are not mature enough to make an informed choice I don't think.
Two years is massive. If I look at my daughter when she was 13 and now at 15, the difference is palpable. Big difference between when she was 14 and now at 15 too.But how much do you think that'll change in the two years following? What I can't get is that 16 is considered fine to be mature enough regarding sex, relationships and to have and care for children, but not mature enough to think of who they might want to vote for.
The crime she is alleged to have committed is technically and likely to have been in this country in any case. It isn't illegal to go to Syria.So let me get this right.
It is up to us now to prosecute those who commit crimes in other countries?
Yet you mention how bad it can be for others if the precedent is set for someone having their UK citizenship taken off them.
Give 15yos the vote then...She knew was she was doing, i knew what i was doing at 15 and so does every 15 year old... your making an invalid point
It's very contradictory isn't it. Too young to vote, but at 15 they know exactly what they are doing.Give 15yos the vote then...
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