SISU, Swansea and CCFC (1 Viewer)

ccfc1234

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I know its a controversial point to ever espouse any slight positives about SISU and I for one frankly don't have many. However I feel after decades of decline that pre dated SISU there must be more to CCFC's demise than one self centered hedge fund. Yes its abundantly clear SISU wanted land and the asset of the RICOH more than a successful football team and used the fans as collateral to cut off revenue streams and distress ACL.
It worked, maybe even too well as the asset became so cheap that an opportunist rival business in the form of a soulless sporting franchise saw an opportunity and took it.

As part of the waiting game strategy employed by SISU they had to cut costs and ensure we did not continue to be a loss making business. For me this is perfectly rational and I am sure most of us if we ran a business would want it to be self sufficient also. This is where for me it all went wrong and our fortunes have contrasted with those enjoyed in Wales by Swansea.

Hew Jenkins has always run a tight ship and the Swans are a profit making football club. So whats the difference between CCFC and Swansea?

For me its the Fans.........while we have spent less and less on players, fewer fans have attended so in turn we have a smaller budget and results have been poor. Swansea on the other had have grown their fanbase organically and as such have been able to expand their playing staff to include some household names, all the while we feed off transfer market scraps.

I am not trying to point the finger at CCFC fans, but I would hope you can see the correlation between a loyal fanbase and an improved squad. Of course their are other factors like inappropriate player identification and poor managers that have contributed to our demise but the fans are not blameless and had we had more loyal fans the dross we buy on free's could have been significantly upgraded.

I do think SISU want us to be successful but at ther same time are not prepared to put in their own money to achieve this aim. Manchester Utd have generated the Glazers over 400m of profit in a decade but on mass no one really questions this as the product is good (or was under Sir Alex).

I hope CCFC fans can see the direct link between revenues and players and to this end I would urge you all to get a season ticket this year early and put the funds in place so SISU and TM (when he signs) can give this club the best chance of getting the players that will make us a table topping team.
If you wait for success it might never arrive, so I would urge you like me to buy your ST and be part of the solution and not the problem as given the right following and manager (TM) those extra funds could once again make us a strong force in English football and give us fans days that put smiles on the faces of young and old alike and make the weekends football a pleasure and not a chore.

For me when TM signs its over to us the fans to back him, not passively but actively and if enough of us do I sincerely believe we could emulate Swansea and replicate their journey to the top table of English football where I truly believe we belong.
 

Grendel

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The difference is the approach of the respective councils
 

robbiethemole

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Fuck Off you twat, for 4+ decades I've been a loyal supporter through good and bad, and this is not the fault of the fans. If you can't see the link between crap ownership and the club's/team's demise, you should apply for Labovich's old job as chief shitspreader and bullshit spouter.

I ripped my st up in disgust at the Scunny game, because of the scotch idiots ideas we were woeful but if TM does sign then I shall reconsider a new st. Don't mean I'm happy with still having crap owners tho.
 

Astute

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I know its a controversial point to ever espouse any slight positives about SISU and I for one frankly don't have many. However I feel after decades of decline that pre dated SISU there must be more to CCFC's demise than one self centered hedge fund. Yes its abundantly clear SISU wanted land and the asset of the RICOH more than a successful football team and used the fans as collateral to cut off revenue streams and distress ACL.
It worked, maybe even too well as the asset became so cheap that an opportunist rival business in the form of a soulless sporting franchise saw an opportunity and took it.

As part of the waiting game strategy employed by SISU they had to cut costs and ensure we did not continue to be a loss making business. For me this is perfectly rational and I am sure most of us if we ran a business would want it to be self sufficient also. This is where for me it all went wrong and our fortunes have contrasted with those enjoyed in Wales by Swansea.

Hew Jenkins has always run a tight ship and the Swans are a profit making football club. So whats the difference between CCFC and Swansea?

For me its the Fans.........while we have spent less and less on players, fewer fans have attended so in turn we have a smaller budget and results have been poor. Swansea on the other had have grown their fanbase organically and as such have been able to expand their playing staff to include some household names, all the while we feed off transfer market scraps.

I am not trying to point the finger at CCFC fans, but I would hope you can see the correlation between a loyal fanbase and an improved squad. Of course their are other factors like inappropriate player identification and poor managers that have contributed to our demise but the fans are not blameless and had we had more loyal fans the dross we buy on free's could have been significantly upgraded.

I do think SISU want us to be successful but at ther same time are not prepared to put in their own money to achieve this aim. Manchester Utd have generated the Glazers over 400m of profit in a decade but on mass no one really questions this as the product is good (or was under Sir Alex).

I hope CCFC fans can see the direct link between revenues and players and to this end I would urge you all to get a season ticket this year early and put the funds in place so SISU and TM (when he signs) can give this club the best chance of getting the players that will make us a table topping team.
If you wait for success it might never arrive, so I would urge you like me to buy your ST and be part of the solution and not the problem as given the right following and manager (TM) those extra funds could once again make us a strong force in English football and give us fans days that put smiles on the faces of young and old alike and make the weekends football a pleasure and not a chore.

For me when TM signs its over to us the fans to back him, not passively but actively and if enough of us do I sincerely believe we could emulate Swansea and replicate their journey to the top table of English football where I truly believe we belong.

You make Grendel and RFC sound sane.
 

Grendel

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You make Grendel and RFC sound sane.

I have made numerous critical posts regarding the owners. I have always challenged you to find one post where I have supported their ownership and strategy. A challenge you have failed to meet.

Never mind.
 

rupert_bear

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Buy season tickets...why ? Who in their right minds would put any advance cash in the pockets of provern charletons. IF Mowbrays becomes long term manager and IF he is allowed to run the team 100% and no interference by Waggott then and only then would i consider a ST. Lets see how many pigs ears are made when Waggott gets involved in player recruitment.
 

Astute

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I have made numerous critical posts regarding the owners. I have always challenged you to find one post where I have supported their ownership and strategy. A challenge you have failed to meet.

Never mind.

Never mind :D

Numerous critical posts against SISU? Don't you mean CCC and anyone who works for them including teachers and street cleaners.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
Lost me after the first boring paragraph! I started to look around for some hot pins to poke into my eyeballs just for fun! YAAAAAAWWWWNNNN!!!!
 

Astute

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Lost me after the first boring paragraph! I started to look around for some hot pins to poke into my eyeballs just for fun! YAAAAAAWWWWNNNN!!!!

You did well HH. I got as far as the first sentence.
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
You did well HH. I got as far as the first sentence.

I was being kind! Plus it took a while to heat the pins up, so I carried on to the end of the paragraph! :D
 

italiahorse

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I have made numerous critical posts regarding the owners. I have always challenged you to find one post where I have supported their ownership and strategy. A challenge you have failed to meet.

Never mind.

Quote " Sisu are naughty but CCC are fuc$ing arseholes with a whore at the helm"
 

skybluesam66

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direct link between revenue and success and blaming the fans, falls flat on its face with the move to northampton
whatever crowds were this season or next - revenues would be above maximum possible from sixfields

so there is only 1 twat to blame
 

Grendel

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Word of advice to the OP. Change your name to "Inside Knowledge" and just post pro Wasps and anti CCFC comments and the critics on here will be salivating like Pavlov's dogs.
 

Ashdown

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Fucking sick of hearing these pleas for everyone to rush out and buy ST's now. I'm pretty sure if you look back over SISU's reign, these posters suddenly appear appealing for the same things at this particular time of year !
 

Calista

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I don’t agree with all of the OP. but some fair points are made and it seems like an honest contribution to me. Really can’t see a need for some of the abusive responses.
 

italiahorse

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Buy season tickets...why ? Who in their right minds would put any advance cash in the pockets of provern charletons. IF Mowbrays becomes long term manager and IF he is allowed to run the team 100% and no interference by Waggott then and only then would i consider a ST. Lets see how many pigs ears are made when Waggott gets involved in player recruitment.

I'm making a big assumption that TM is telling Sisu his demands to turn us around and will only sign if he has got them assurances.
In that respect as soon as he signs I will buy my season ticket.
TM I'm relying on you.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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I don’t agree with all of the OP. but some fair points are made and it seems like an honest contribution to me. Really can’t see a need for some of the abusive responses.

I think it could have been a post worth discussing, until a certain someone turned it into the usual diatribe from the same old worn soapbox
 

ccfcway

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Fucking sick of hearing these pleas for everyone to rush out and buy ST's now. I'm pretty sure if you look back over SISU's reign, these posters suddenly appear appealing for the same things at this particular time of year !

PR machine working overtime !
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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I've been disappointed in our fans over the last 8/9 months but there is hell of a lot more differences between CCFC and Swansea other than just the fans.
 

Nick

Administrator
Fucking sick of hearing these pleas for everyone to rush out and buy ST's now. I'm pretty sure if you look back over SISU's reign, these posters suddenly appear appealing for the same things at this particular time of year !

What a year ago with over 280 posts?

Somebody posts saying to fans to get behind their football team and it is a PR machine? Christ.

I am glad the forum software helps point actual PR machines out and doesn't rely on users.
 

ccfcway

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I've been disappointed in our fans over the last 8/9 months but there is hell of a lot more differences between CCFC and Swansea other than just the fans.

what have the fans done ?

8th bottom of league one, yet 7th most amount of fans at home games !!

If anything, we are overachieving in terms of bums of seats. Its not the fans fault !
 

Nick

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Buy season tickets...why ? Who in their right minds would put any advance cash in the pockets of provern charletons.
People who want to go and support their team every game and save money doing it? It is ok though, they shouldn't get a season ticket as they can moan about it being too expensive then.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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What a year ago with over 280 posts?

Somebody posts saying to fans to get behind their football team and it is a PR machine? Christ.

I am glad the forum software helps point actual PR machines out and doesn't rely on users.

I don't see whats wrong with someone trying to encourage people to buy CCFC season tickets on a CCFC forum anyway? Why is someone complaining about that, if I didn't know better I would say they weren't fans.
 

Nick

Administrator
I don't see whats wrong with someone trying to encourage people to buy CCFC season tickets on a CCFC forum anyway? Why is someone complaining about that, if I didn't know better I would say they weren't fans.

Not too sure really, he must be a plant and be from SISU.

Yet somebody blatantly from Wasps comes on and posts and it is fine, nobody has much of an issue. Fucking soft.
 
Swansea City council had a great idea; their local rugby and football teams needed a new stadium so they built one. They had the foresight to see that successful sports teams would bring huge benefits to the local economy, so to encourage success they kept the free hold to the stadium so no dodgy owners could sell it or borrow against it but allowed both clubs to retain all revenue they generated and in the return the only 'rent' the clubs paid was the cost of maintaining the stadium.
 

the rumpo kid

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sisu would just take the money if more fans went to the games, they have one intention of putting one penny more into the club than they have to.
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

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what have the fans done ?

Nothing mostly! thats sort of my issue

8th bottom of league one, yet 7th most amount of fans at home games !!

If anything, we are overachieving in terms of bums of seats. Its not the fans fault !

So based on our current fan base (judged on attendances) we deserve to be in league 1.

No it isn't the fans fault but its just an acknowledgement that the turnout of our fans has been poor.
 

ccfcway

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So based on our current fan base (judged on attendances) we deserve to be in league 1.

7th !

Yet we were 8th bottom.

If we were anywhere near 7th in the league, our attendance would increase and, if the two are linked, we would "deserve" to be play offs at the absolute least.

Our fans get such a rough ride. We haven't had anything to cheer about for years. Just read the thread about best ever CCFC player and see someone say "elliott ward" to make you realise how poor we have been, yet week after week we have fans turn up and support the team. Good on every single one of them !!
 
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italiahorse

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Swansea City council had a great idea; their local rugby and football teams needed a new stadium so they built one. They had the foresight to see that successful sports teams would bring huge benefits to the local economy, so to encourage success they kept the free hold to the stadium so no dodgy owners could sell it or borrow against it but allowed both clubs to retain all revenue they generated and in the return the only 'rent' the clubs paid was the cost of maintaining the stadium.

I think the stadium maintenance is circa £1M each. In that respect £100K is cheap even without all the revenues and for a better stadium.
 

Nick

Administrator
Just read the thread about best ever CCFC player and see someone say "elliott ward" to make you realise how poor we have been

Yes that thread also shows that our fans can't spot a joke / piss take when it hits them in the face.
 

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