Sixfield attendees 2014/2015 Season (2 Viewers)

[Moff]

I don't think you actually answered where these projections of extra income were coming from yesterday?

I don't have to. Delivery is following projections from ACL. Surely, if you disbelieve them, it's for you to prove why the current situation will change; not for me to tell you why they'll continue 'as are'?!?

What perverse logic.....

Well from my knowledge of the good Lord Summerisle on this site I would say he has several perversions, and these are a lot more perverse than his logic.

It doesnt make him a bad person though

 

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[Malaka]

I will go . I don't think that SiSU are going. The more they put in out of their pockets, the more debt is loaded against the club and no one will ever buy us while we are down in the depths. We need some relative success so they can sell and move on. I fear that starving the club of cash might just bite us in the arse. And by he way I am in no way advocating that we should all rock up to sixfields, each to their own and I respect your choice. My boycott lasted two weeks

 

[lordsummerisle]

I don't have to. Delivery is following projections from ACL. Surely, if you disbelieve them, it's for you to prove why the current situation will change; not for me to tell you why they'll continue 'as are'?!?

What perverse logic.....

There is no way in the World that your projections(not theirs by the way) has any basis during any kind of factual analysis.

You could not explain how a doubled income during the Olympics year over the previous year(with reduced profits, but that's by the by), with a note saying that the Olympics actually affected trading during the three months of the Olympics could actually make any sense?

Turnover ACL

2007 £6.4 million
2008 £7.3 million
2009 £6.8 million
2010 £6.6 million
2011 £6.7 million
2012 £7.8 million
2013 £14.5 million(Including year of the Olympics).

I merely pointed out that it was absurd to have a note in the accounts to say,

Olympics though good also restricted normal trading for 3 months

when their turnover had doubled over all previous years based on it.

I asked why on earth they weren't pulling in more than that on previous years which would have also have been football free months if the Olympics had so badly affected it.

Depite your blathering about "horizontal growth" from whichever self-help book you're reading this week, do you still believe that the turnover for 2013/14 year will be the same, if not more than the most recent published set of accounts?

Which they should be based on the statement raised above.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Well from my knowledge of the good Lord Summerisle on this site I would say he has several perversions, and these are a lot more perverse than his logic.

It doesnt make him a bad person though

Logic, no matter how perverse, is not a friend to Mr MMM.

 

[Noggin]

There is no way in the World that your projections(not theirs by the way) has any basis during any kind of factual analysis.

You could not explain how a doubled income during the Olympics year over the previous year(with reduced profits, but that's by the by), with a note saying that the Olympics actually affected trading during the three months of the Olympics could actually make any sense?

Turnover ACL

2007 £6.4 million
2008 £7.3 million
2009 £6.8 million
2010 £6.6 million
2011 £6.7 million
2012 £7.8 million
2013 £14.5 million(Including year of the Olympics).

I merely pointed out that it was absurd to have a note in the accounts to say,



when their turnover had doubled over all previous years based on it.

I asked why on earth they weren't pulling in more than that on previous years which would have also have been football free months if the Olympics had so badly affected it.

Depite your blathering about "horizontal growth" from whichever self-help book you're reading this week, do you still believe that the turnover for 2013/14 year will be the same, if not more than the most recent published set of accounts?

Which they should be based on the statement raised above.

costs also went up by 7.5million which is more than double the previous year, you need more information than you have to make conclusions.

 

[lordsummerisle]

costs also went up by 7.5million which is more than double the previous year, you need more information than you have to make conclusions.

Yes, which makes it pretty much neutral, year on year, on year, which is why having the Olympics was never going to be the money-spinner that some made it out to be.

Still doesn't explain how having the Olympics impacted on them based on previous years figures.

 

[Chez78]

Can't you guys start your own thread where you can argue over the same shit like you always do without ruining other threads going over the same old crap. This thread would have been quite interesting but so far I can only actually see three answers to the question and as a stay away fan I'm interested in what the Shitfields 1000 think.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Can't you guys start your own thread where you can argue over the same shit like you always do without ruining other threads going over the same old crap. This thread would have been quite interesting but so far I can only actually see three answers to the question and as a stay away fan I'm interested in what the Shitfields 1000 think.

This is a thread going over the same old crap anyway.

Nice way to engage with those who do go though, "the Shitfields 1000".

 

[WestEndAgro]

I will go . I don't think that SiSU are going. The more they put in out of their pockets, the more debt is loaded against the club and no one will ever buy us while we are down in the depths. We need some relative success so they can sell and move on. I fear that starving the club of cash might just bite us in the arse. And by he way I am in no way advocating that we should all rock up to sixfields, each to their own and I respect your choice. My boycott lasted two weeks

Wow impressive boycott what great will power you have I'm impressed.

 

[Nick]

Can't you guys start your own thread where you can argue over the same shit like you always do without ruining other threads going over the same old crap. This thread would have been quite interesting but so far I can only actually see three answers to the question and as a stay away fan I'm interested in what the Shitfields 1000 think.

Ironic you wanted a serious discussion and ended it like that?

 

[WestEndAgro]

Can't you guys start your own thread where you can argue over the same shit like you always do without ruining other threads going over the same old crap. This thread would have been quite interesting but so far I can only actually see three answers to the question and as a stay away fan I'm interested in what the Shitfields 1000 think.

Were you really expecting any sensible replies, we have to read the drivel from the SISU apologists on a daily basis, the ONLY people they are fooling is themselves !

 

[Grendel]

Ok I'll answer the question. Of we are still there I'm going to attend. Satisfied?

 

[Chez78]

Fair point it was a low blow and not called for, I'm genuinely interested if they intend to carry on going though. We've already seen posters on here who at the start of the season were refusing point blank to go and have no changed their tune so hearing what their views are whether they will continue to attend or not is a good question and at least deserves to have a thread with answers that can be talked about.

Again apologies for the term the ground will always be Shitfields that I'm not apologising for.

 

[Nick]

Were you really expecting any sensible replies, we have to read the drivel from the SISU apologists on a daily basis, the ONLY people they are fooling is themselves !

Oh dear..

 

[Chez78]

Ok I'll answer the question. Of we are still there I'm going to attend. Satisfied?

Is it just cause you can't do without watching the team or have your views regarding the reasons you didn't attend originally changed?

 

[Grendel]

Is it just cause you can't do without watching the team or have your views regarding the reasons you didn't attend originally changed?

There is no point in not attending. It achieved nothing. Its inconvenient do I will probably only attend around 10 games but non attendance I have concluded is a waste of time.

 

[shmmeee]

There is no point in not attending. It achieved nothing. Its inconvenient do I will probably only attend around 10 games but non attendance I have concluded is a waste of time.

Depends on your reasons I guess, for some it's a principle rather than because of the quality of football or any hope of effecting change.

On topic, I agree with Chez, I want to know both how many of the current attenders would change their mind and the same on the other side.

I'm curious as to whether it'll be a case of normalisation making more go or apathy making more leave, I'm not sure either way is looking more likely than the other to be honest. What have attendances done over the season, are we trending up or down? That's normally a good gauge of what'll happen between seasons.

 

[Chez78]

There is no point in not attending. It achieved nothing. Its inconvenient do I will probably only attend around 10 games but non attendance I have concluded is a waste of time.

I must admit I nearly caved when my 5 yr old little girl started to ask to go and see the sky blues after Webster and Murphy visited their school but if I'm honest I don't want her first game being in that place. Me and my mate have discussed it but I just can't do it, it feels wrong for me so I just can't see me setting foot in there.

 

[WestEndAgro]

Oh dear..

Would you like to elaborate ...... you clown

 

[torchomatic]

If my son wants to carry on going, which I imagine he will then I'll be getting season tickets for the both of us again. Mentioned it to my Dad who until the move hadn't missed a season since 1952 and he won't be joining us.

Any chance people could just answer the original question ?
It was an interesting thread to start with.
I d be interested in what Sixfielders will do next season.

 

[torchomatic]

Related to your "Sisu apologist" crap I would imagine.

Would you like to elaborate ...... you clown

 

[Nick]

Would you like to elaborate ...... you clown

Clown? What's with the abuse?

I will more than likely still go if and when I can. Obviously it isn't ideal as it isn't just a case of a 5 minute trip to get to a game where I can be back at home within minutes so night games are a pain and any personal circumstances but I will still go sometimes.

 

[shmmeee]

So, at the moment it looks like as you were for next season then? about 1500-2500 depending on circumstance.


Are we already under the wage cap for our current attendance? So we could have the same budget next season?

 

[Astute]

There is no way in the World that your projections(not theirs by the way) has any basis during any kind of factual analysis.

You could not explain how a doubled income during the Olympics year over the previous year(with reduced profits, but that's by the by), with a note saying that the Olympics actually affected trading during the three months of the Olympics could actually make any sense?

Turnover ACL

2007 £6.4 million
2008 £7.3 million
2009 £6.8 million
2010 £6.6 million
2011 £6.7 million
2012 £7.8 million
2013 £14.5 million(Including year of the Olympics).

I merely pointed out that it was absurd to have a note in the accounts to say,



when their turnover had doubled over all previous years based on it.

I asked why on earth they weren't pulling in more than that on previous years which would have also have been football free months if the Olympics had so badly affected it.

Depite your blathering about "horizontal growth" from whichever self-help book you're reading this week, do you still believe that the turnover for 2013/14 year will be the same, if not more than the most recent published set of accounts?

Which they should be based on the statement raised above.

That list of yearly incomes shows that the income without our club has gone up a fair bit recently. For instance the income went up 1.1m in 2012. How much of that was rent or lack of it? The lack of rent paid doesn't even register on that list. So the longer the business grows the more our club isn't being missed.

 

[torchomatic]

Clown? What's with the abuse?

Default setting.



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[Grendel]

That list of yearly incomes shows that the income without our club has gone up a fair bit recently. For instance the income went up 1.1m in 2012. How much of that was rent or lack of it? The lack of rent paid doesn't even register on that list. So the longer the business grows the more our club isn't being missed.

Margins tight though arent they - profits down even in an Olympic year.

 

[Astute]

Margins tight though arent they - profits down even in an Olympic year.

Not what some wanted to see though. The Ricoh making a profit.

And isn't it strange how some can go on about a higher footfall not making an extra profit. The same people saying that a higher footfall don't mean that the expenses are much higher.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

There is no way in the World that your projections(not theirs by the way) has any basis during any kind of factual analysis.

You could not explain how a doubled income during the Olympics year over the previous year(with reduced profits, but that's by the by), with a note saying that the Olympics actually affected trading during the three months of the Olympics could actually make any sense?

Turnover ACL

2007 £6.4 million
2008 £7.3 million
2009 £6.8 million
2010 £6.6 million
2011 £6.7 million
2012 £7.8 million
2013 £14.5 million(Including year of the Olympics).

I merely pointed out that it was absurd to have a note in the accounts to say,



when their turnover had doubled over all previous years based on it.

I asked why on earth they weren't pulling in more than that on previous years which would have also have been football free months if the Olympics had so badly affected it.

Depite your blathering about "horizontal growth" from whichever self-help book you're reading this week, do you still believe that the turnover for 2013/14 year will be the same, if not more than the most recent published set of accounts?

Which they should be based on the statement raised above.

You're trying - badly - to argue in a Grendelesque fashion. My point, if you care to go back to it, is that ACL is a proposition that's gaining in value. In broad terms, turnover is going up year on year, they're inherently profitable, and have moved on from losing their anchor tenant - with increased turnover and retained profitability.

Whichever way you try and deny it, the central point remains that same; that is, they are more attractive now than they were at the SISU flunked the chance to buy a share - and, that they have a set of accounts that might make them able to secure third party financing if CCC are compelled to roll back the loan after a JV hearing.

I have never stated that turnover will continue at it's current level, or at it's current trajectory. Have I?

 

[Chez78]

Is there any people on here who don't go that will give it a go next season?

 

[Grendel]

You're trying - badly - to argue in a Grendelesque fashion. My point, if you care to go back to it, is that ACL is a proposition that's gaining in value. In broad terms, turnover is going up year on year, they're inherently profitable, and have moved on from losing their anchor tenant - with increased turnover and retained profitability.

Whichever way you try and deny it, the central point remains that same; that is, they are more attractive now than they were at the SISU flunked the chance to buy a share - and, that they have a set of accounts that might make them able to secure third party financing if CCC are compelled to roll back the loan after a JV hearing.

I have never stated that turnover will continue at it's current level, or at it's current trajectory. Have I?

More floundering with no substance. Whenever summerisle presents facts you present waffle, opinion and empty rhetoric.

Worth more? Proof and evidence please.

Moving on from the tenant? These accounts show when they were the tenant.

Since then what's happened?

Bid for rugby World Cup - failed
Bid for uk snooker championship - failed
Concerts - are there any?
How will revenue increase over the same period when the Olympics is not there - again MMM squirms, slithers and fails to answer.

Not going well is it? Perhaps you need another briefing from PWKH before you return?

 

[lordsummerisle]

That list of yearly incomes shows that the income without our club has gone up a fair bit recently. For instance the income went up 1.1m in 2012. How much of that was rent or lack of it? The lack of rent paid doesn't even register on that list. So the longer the business grows the more our club isn't being missed.

Think that for most,if not all, of that 2011/12 year they received full rent.

Don't know why it moved up from the previous year, could have been Compass payment of £4million? Generally been averaging around the £6.5million per year though.

Next years will give us more of an indication anyway, not only rent, but surplus on match-day costs and of course the much derided pie-money.

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[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

More floundering with no substance. Whenever summerisle presents facts you present waffle, opinion and empty rhetoric.

Worth more? Proof and evidence please.

Moving on from the tenant? These accounts show when they were the tenant.

Since then what's happened?

Bid for rugby World Cup - failed
Bid for uk snooker championship - failed
Concerts - are there any?
How will revenue increase over the same period when the Olympics is not there - again MMM squirms, slithers and fails to answer.

Not going well is it? Perhaps you need another briefing from PWKH before you return?

With the greatest of respect, LS made an allegation that I'm awaiting he substantiate. Namely I made any claim turnover would continue at this level, or follow the current trend.

Why don't you wait until he can rise to the challenge before dancing round like Rumplestiltskin. As when he can't, you're liable to look foolish. Again

 

[Grendel]

With the greatest of respect, LS made an allegation that I'm awaiting he substantiate. Namely I made any claim turnover would continue at this level, or follow the current trend.

Why don't you wait until he can rise to the challenge before dancing round like Rumplestiltskin. As when he can't, you're liable to look foolish. Again

Increasing in value - facts please
Will have greater turnover in the period without Olympics - facts please
Diversification into new ventures - facts please
Survive without the club with no view of the accounts without the club - facts please

I know when you do present facts such as championship wages they end up being the wrong year but your not doing well are you?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Increasing in value - facts please
Will have greater turnover in the period without Olympics - facts please
Diversification into new ventures - facts please
Survive without the club with no view of the accounts without the club - facts please

I know when you do present facts such as championship wages they end up being the wrong year but your not doing well are you?

It's worth more. All the grown ups in the room can see this. Given you predicted decimated accounts this time around, you're on as shaky ground here as Ms Sinclaire was yesterday with her fraud accusations

 

[lordsummerisle]

You were claiming that I was casting aspersions upon their "projections" that the hypothesis that the Olympics curtailed their business when there has been virtually no difference year on year in turnover apart from the Olympic "blip".

Do you doubt their assertion now, or do you agree with them?

The accounts just produced reflected the position ACL's management projected some time ago. What basis do you have for doubting their projections now? I am not saying they have always acted perfectly, but I can't see why you would cast aspersions upon their projections?

They claim an element of swings and roundabouts with the issue of the accounts: 'Whilst the 2012 Olympics raised the profile of the Arena, city and region, it restricted normal trading for the three months between June and August 2012 significantly. Trading would have been even stronger if not for this constraint.'

As I said yesterday though strangely you failed to respond:

Really? Then surely in previous years(noting that no football between mid-May and Mid-August) the turnover should have been even higher than it was in the Olympic years accounts?