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[torchomatic]

You don't need to own a stadium to have that. Surely ?

Look around the Ricoh. Outside the Ricoh. The flags on the roundabout. That's loss of identity.

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[skybluetony176]

Their own distinct identity.

How much identity will we have sharing the BPA with a Rugby Club? More than we have currently sharing the Ricoh with a Rugby Club? We'll still be in a ground with a shared identity so what's the difference?

 

[Nick]

How much identity will we have sharing the BPA with a Rugby Club? More than we have currently sharing the Ricoh with a Rugby Club? We'll still be in a ground with a shared identity so what's the difference?

I'd say there would be much more of an identity of both the club and Coventry.

 

[skybluetony176]

Look around the Ricoh. Outside the Ricoh. The flags on the roundabout. That's loss of identity.

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I see the bricks on the walls, the memorial garden, the sky blue seats, the JH statue. But then I'm not obsessed with Wasps.

 

[Nick]

Here's an idea, let's show sisu that we need a massive stadium and everybody get their season tickets purchased.

If we fill the ricoh every week then that sends the message out doesn't it?

Hopefully as the telegraph are against the club moving they will back the idea and get a campaign going.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'd say there would be much more of an identity of both the club and Coventry.

You assume that will be the case you mean. CRFC to now seem to be in the driving seat on this. They're may well be less CCFC identity than there currently is at the Ricoh.

 

[asiaskyblues]

We bore, we live, we die, Honestly I don't give a tosh if we played in the Ricoh, in Tesco's car park or Northampton (OH! shock horror). I can't understand how people can spend day after day thinking about football and where the feck we are going to play next year or next decade. SISU own us and fool them. They spend their money on our enjoyment (cough) and if they keep us, sell us or whatever it their bleeding fault.

 

[Nick]

You assume that will be the case you mean. CRFC to now seem to be in the driving seat on this. They're may well be less CCFC identity than there currently is at the Ricoh.

That would be hard to top wouldn't it? The ricoh struggled to have identity before wasps were even there.

Look at the hassle to get city badges put up.

 

[dongonzalos]

Great location
15k stadium is a terrible idea.
Less with away fans and segregation you are possibly talking 13-14k for Cov fans.
If we had maintained our first half of the season success in the second half of the season that would not have been enough this season alone.
Should be 18-21 k on the first build.
Expansion are not easy and don't happen at the drop of a hat.
Many many fans will miss out if we are genuinely going to make a real go of it promotion wide then a successful championship campaign.
Ultimately if we get to the Premiership 25kbus not enough and we are stuck in a ground with no room for manoeuvre.
The costs of this project you may as well build our own place.
Don't like saying this as the location is far far better for me and I imagine most Cov fans.

 

[Nick]

Great location
15k stadium is a terrible idea.
Less with away fans and segregation you are possibly talking 13-14k for Cov fans.
If we had maintained our first half of the season success in the second half of the season that would not have been enough this season alone.
Should be 18-21 k on the first build.
Expansion are not easy and don't happen at the drop of a hat.
Many many fans will miss out if we are genuinely going to make a real go of it promotion wide then a successful championship campaign.
Ultimately if we get to the Premiership 25kbus not enough and we are stuck in a ground with no room for manoeuvre.
The costs of this project you may as well build our own place.
Don't like saying this as the location is far far better for me and I imagine most Cov fans.

So we need to show sisu by filling the ricoh, the argument that people who can't be bothered to go now won't get a ticket if we pay Chelsea or it's a fiver just shows there will be more demand.

 

[dongonzalos]

So we need to show sisu by filling the ricoh, the argument that people who can't be bothered to go now won't get a ticket if we pay Chelsea or it's a fiver just shows there will be more demand.

Too right over 15k in there every week would make a massive statement.
I think it is very possible with another successful start under TM.

 

[Calista]

If it’s a high-quality two-tier stadium, holding 20K+ and with some unique character and big-city atmosphere, I’m all for it.

If it’s a cheap off-the-shelf 15K shoebox, which completes our transformation into a small-town club, then it’s a definite “No”. Something SISU may not have considered much is the importance of appealing to the city’s hinterland (basically I mean Warwickshire). A big proportion of the fan base comes from the surrounding areas, identifying with Coventry as “our city”, and the Sky Blues as the natural team to support. If CCFC becomes a homely little community club for Coventry, that attraction is thrown out of the window – people might as well follow their own local team such as Leamington or Rugby. The likes of me, who have been fans for decades, would stay on board – but there would be very little future support from outside Coventry IMO.

 

[dongonzalos]

Wasn't the first proposals for our new stadium something like 12k-15k.
I genuinely do not think that Tim Fisher understands the true potential of this fan base.
I have said it to him before and it's vital if there is a possibility of this Butts thing becoming reality that it is not 15k.

 

[Otis]

I'd say there would be much more of an identity of both the club and Coventry.

Yep, agree with that.

Sharing with Cov Rugby is an infinitely better scenario than sharing with Wasps.

 

[Otis]

Here's an idea, let's show sisu that we need a massive stadium and everybody get their season tickets purchased.

If we fill the ricoh every week then that sends the message out doesn't it?

Hopefully as the telegraph are against the club moving they will back the idea and get a campaign going.

I wish they would. Be fantastic if we could get 15,000 plus every home game.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How much identity will we have sharing the BPA with a Rugby Club? More than we have currently sharing the Ricoh with a Rugby Club? We'll still be in a ground with a shared identity so what's the difference?

Difference is that it's a partnership, so it's a two-way street where synergies can work. What CRFC have is an identity that's far closer to ours than Wasps. What Wasps are selling is so different to our core values, that branding tie-ups wouldn't work overly well for either party, regardless of your view of franchising.

Difference is the location. The location absolutely is the USP, and can bring us back if done properly to a point where we have local visibility to an extent we haven't seen for decades.

Now you can argue whether the current lot are capable of capitalising on that, but these particular elements are inarguable.

 

[Otis]

Wasn't the first proposals for our new stadium something like 12k-15k.
I genuinely do not think that Tim Fisher understands the true potential of this fan base.
I have said it to him before and it's vital if there is a possibility of this Butts thing becoming reality that it is not 15k.

The man's an idiot. He talked of 12 to 15,000 for a new stadium, but then also thought we could well get 7,000 at Sixfields.

In this whole sorry ongoing saga that last statement is right up there with the most ridiculous ever to come out of anybody's mouth.

 

[stupot07]

Why wouldn't it? What proof do you have of that? You don't and not do I. That's what negotiations are for. Even it was double 200k I still think that's decent compared to all the figures. We get a couple of 20k gates of doing well again and it pays for itself.

But hey moving to a 15k stadium and stop massive crowds which we beat 15k over 2-3 times last season would be good as we get away from the terrible wasps. They are cocks but not their fault we don't own the Ricoh. It's sisu and ccc.

Your figures don't add up to move to the butts. Sorry.

My figures don't add up to move to the butts? Im not sure whay the hell you are going on about, I never posted any figures, that's not my job, that's the clubs.

I'm just saying you and others presuming that staying = £100k pa rent it wrong, that deal finishes in 2018. IMO (no figures but just a hunch), that rent will likely go up to £350-400k pa, with no real increase in access to revenues. That is my opinion based on wasps need to get in as much money as possible.

Until we see a business plan we cannot dismiss any option out of hand, although you and others are doing a good job of it.

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[standupforcity]

Look around the Ricoh. Outside the Ricoh. The flags on the roundabout. That's loss of identity.

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'We do not gain identity by being part of a group

Yep, agree with that.

Sharing with Cov Rugby is an infinitely better scenario than sharing with Wasps.

What's this crazy obsession with Wasps/Rugby?!!! I have a very clear sense of the identity of Coventry City Football Club. Why are so many people letting Wasps dominate their thinking....they are nothing to do with us in the bigger picture...they are not part of our history. They are merely a transient connection, a stepping stone for CCFC...nothing more!!

 

[mark82]

Nope.

As I have said many times the past two days, I am happy to go to the Butts in a 15,000 seater stadium as long as there is scope to greatly expand upon that.

Just think people are getting a little too carried away here and the hatred of Wasps has blotted out much of the rational thinking. Even Cov Rugby from the start have said they wouldn't want a 25,000 seater stadium. We know the area is very small, with little scope to expand, the road network would probably be gridlocked without major road improvements and re-building and there will almost certainly be massive opposition to it from Earlsdon residents especially.

I am happy to go to 15,000 seater stadium but it has to be a short term move and then obviously the problem is you are spending multiple millions on a stadium that could prove far too small for you down the line.

If it was Hearsall Common in a 15,000 seater stadium I would be 100% behind it, because there is the capacity to expand greatly there. The Butts it going to conjure up a number of problems because of the surrounding buildings etc.

I agree. I'm all for moving out of the Ricoh as we need to put it behind us and move on, and we need to be able to make money from the stadium. Couple of issues....

- 15,000 initial capacity seems a little small, if we have even a small amount of success will be impossible to get tickets.
- 25,000 if we were premier league would be too small. Needs to be closer to Ricoh capacity.
- Area around stadium seems a little small and would cause parking issues.

I'd personally favour a purpose built stadium with enough land to make some money off the surrounding area too. Finding that land is difficult though.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You don't need to own a stadium to have that. Surely ?

Space can be made place, and place brings with it identity, beyond much that can be achieved by surface marketing and the like.

 

[Shakeitup]

That would be hard to top wouldn't it? The ricoh struggled to have identity before wasps were even there.

Look at the hassle to get city badges put up.

The Ricoh was pretty soulless to start with alright.

I've only been to Ryton years ago, but according to TM that too lacked identity.

If only some of the passion (even the blinded form) on here could be harnessed to rebuilt the identity of CCFC within the city then we'd be in a good place.

I dream of Anderson coming onto this forum, like the owner (I know he's not the owner of City) of Kansas City, asking for help and reinvigorating this club.

KC play in a modest sized stadium, have a waiting list for season tickets and have developed a strong, loyal fan base because of opening dialogue with fans and harnessing this passion.

 

[stupot07]

What's this crazy obsession with Wasps/Rugby?!!! I have a very clear sense of the identity of Coventry City Football Club. Why are so many people letting Wasps dominate their thinking....they are nothing to do with us in the bigger picture...they are not part of our history. They are merely a transient connection, a stepping stone for CCFC...nothing more!!

Surely the fact people are obsessed, and pissed off with wasps is proof that they are infringing on our identity.

I don't know how you can say have nothing to do with us in the bigger picture, whilst wanting them to be our long term landlords....


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[Deleted member 5849]

The Ricoh was pretty soulless to start with alright.

Certainly was. My, how we stuffed up that move.

I dream of Anderson coming onto this forum, like the owner (I know he's not the owner of City) of Kansas City, asking for help and reinvigorating this club.

KC play in a modest sized stadium, have a waiting list for season tickets and have developed a strong, loyal fan base because of opening dialogue with fans and harnessing this passion.

I'd be amazed if club staff don't read this forum. If nothing else than for a laugh!

 

[dongonzalos]

Pros
Location fantastic back in the heart of the City where we want to be.

A stadium where we will be the main focus of it and it will be all about us and Coventry Rugby Club.

Atmosphere should be better

Finances we should be self sufficient

SISU may then be in a position to sell us.

Cons

15k not enough for this division never mind the championship

The finances seem a hazy about how it will be funded

We will need the support of CCC who we continue to antagonise.

Expanding stadiums is not a matter of fact simple thing and is complicated with lots of uncertainty.

There will be lots of opposition to the location and any plans for further expansion

Limited to 25k if we do get to the premier league thousands of fans will mis out.

 

[mark82]

So we need to show sisu by filling the ricoh, the argument that people who can't be bothered to go now won't get a ticket if we pay Chelsea or it's a fiver just shows there will be more demand.

I partly agree, although for some of us season tickets aren't viable regardless of cost. I work 2 weekends out of 4 and live in Yorkshire. I've generally stuck to match packages as it allows me to go to all the games I can make.

There are options people in my position can take though, I believe. Think membership gives you priority too.

 

[Nick]

I partly agree, although for some of us season tickets aren't viable regardless of cost. I work 2 weekends out of 4 and live in Yorkshire. I've generally stuck to match packages as it allows me to go to all the games I can make.

There are options people in my position can take though, I believe. Think membership gives you priority too.

Match packages are still commitments though!

Of course people work, have families etc and won't make every game.

I'm more on about the people who only rock up for Chelsea.

 

[mark82]

Match packages are still commitments though!

Of course people work, have families etc and won't make every game.

I'm more on about the people who only rock up for Chelsea.

People with said match package would struggle to get tickets to big games because of those that only rock up to big games.

 

[torchomatic]

People with said match package would struggle to get tickets to big games because of those that only rock up to big games.

Well what do Bournemouth do or Leicester I wonder? They must have membership schemes.

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[Otis]

I agree. I'm all for moving out of the Ricoh as we need to put it behind us and move on, and we need to be able to make money from the stadium. Couple of issues....

- 15,000 initial capacity seems a little small, if we have even a small amount of success will be impossible to get tickets.
- 25,000 if we were premier league would be too small. Needs to be closer to Ricoh capacity.
- Area around stadium seems a little small and would cause parking issues.

I'd personally favour a purpose built stadium with enough land to make some money off the surrounding area too. Finding that land is difficult though.

Yep, exactly where I am too.

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[italiahorse]

Look around the Ricoh. Outside the Ricoh. The flags on the roundabout. That's loss of identity.

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The Wasps flags are now MTV flags.
Could we not ask Wasps (maybe pay) to put our flags up ?
No sorry, victims don't do that

 

[skybluetony176]

Great location
15k stadium is a terrible idea.
Less with away fans and segregation you are possibly talking 13-14k for Cov fans.

I think officially we have to offer 10% of capacity as a minimum to away fans. That would leave 13.5K with 12.5-13K at a guess with segregation. Barely enough to cope with this seasons average and if we'd sustained our promotion form wouldn't have been anywhere near enough going by some gates.

 

[italiahorse]

That would be hard to top wouldn't it? The ricoh struggled to have identity before wasps were even there.

Look at the hassle to get city badges put up.

Yes, all that was required was planning permission.

 

[clint van damme]

I'm against the move to the Butts. I don't think the site is capable housing a stadium much bigger than 15,000 and if that's what we move to that'll be it, that' ll be our maximum capacity for a very long time which I think shows a shocking lack of ambition.
If this had came up pre the retirement village and the premier inn, (OK it's a listed building but I'm sure it could have been incorporated into the stadium somehow),then it might have been a different story but the site is just too small now.

I say sit tight for now, (even though I'm no lover of the Ricoh).

 

[Brylowes]

We don't need a big capacity then. Sorted.

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Oh yeah, genius.