You really are a spokesman for them ! But then I guess in your position you would have to be.......................
They haven't threatened you have they ?..................
You really are a spokesman for them ! But then I guess in your position you would have to be.......................Here's an idea, let's show sisu that we need a massive stadium and everybody get their season tickets purchased.
If we fill the ricoh every week then that sends the message out doesn't it?
Hopefully as the telegraph are against the club moving they will back the idea and get a campaign going.
But we are at the Ricoh, we don't have to run up millions in dept to build itAnd we don't and never will own the Ricoh. What's your point?
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The Wasps flags are now MTV flags.
Could we not ask Wasps (maybe pay) to put our flags up ?
No sorry, victims don't do that
Torch liked this post, while insisting we have to leave the Ricoh because we don't own it.Oxford United have just been promoted on a pitch they do not own either.
I think officially we have to offer 10% of capacity as a minimum to away fans. That would leave 13.5K with 12.5-13K at a guess with segregation. Barely enough to cope with this seasons average and if we'd sustained our promotion form wouldn't have been anywhere near enough going by some gates.
How much would you say is reasonable for sticking a flags up on a roundabout which I presume acl don't even own?The Wasps flags are now MTV flags.
Could we not ask Wasps (maybe pay) to put our flags up ?
No sorry, victims don't do that
That's quite frightening.
Do you think they are saying 15k because that is all they would be able to afford?
Then I suppose prices will just go up and as some say on here say "tough " for those who either can't afford and will be priced out or miss out because they can't get a ticket.
Can't have it both ways. Either things stay as they are and 15K will be fine or we have success and its full every week.So what makes you think we would be successful on and off the pitch, selling out a 25k or 15k
Stadium every week ?
I haven't seen the budget for the new stadium so I'm not sure where you've pulled tens and tens of millions from. The council only put £10m in for the Ricoh, less than 10% of the cost. As I have said if the best financial projection is a move then move. The point being we would be better off than we are now. That is a better base to move forward at a later date.Really? Sounds like very short term and blinkered thinking that. So you would be prepared for tens and tens of millions to be shelled out on something that may not be fit for purpose in 10 years?
At the moment our options appear to be stay at the Ricoh, move to the Butts or move out of the city. If those three are examined and the best way forward is the Butts then surely you do that. Nobody is saying its the perfect solution just that it may be the best option we currently have. Working to put ourselves in a better position will give us more chance of attracting new owners and future investment so could act as a springboard.I think a 'worry about it later' approach has already caused us a tremendous amount of grief over a number of years.
Interesting that only you and Tony seem to have full details of the move, care to share with everyone else?FFS We won't own it. Sisu will !
The difference will be a partnership. Since Wasps have moved in we've been kicked out of our dressing room, walk out of a tunnel full of Wasps branding, have Wasps logos dwarfing ours, bars have been renamed, Wasps logos around the pitch, a huge Wasps logo on the atrium and Wasps branding around the north east side of the stadium and everything CCFC related has been removed from the corporate area..How much identity will we have sharing the BPA with a Rugby Club? More than we have currently sharing the Ricoh with a Rugby Club? We'll still be in a ground with a shared identity so what's the difference?
The Wasps flags were put up by ACL, they have now replaced them with MTV flags. Strange that they seem keen to promote events at the Ricoh but not CCFC matches there.
Or ground share the Bedrock oval in non league getting 6 or 7 hundred.You are going on about reality and then saying what if we are pushing the top of the championship?
Should we discredit the ricoh for when we are champions league and could get 50k?
We have to leave the Ricoh, Get back to being close to the town centre and although a ground share with.....well with anyone is'nt ideal, the move to the Butts beats the shite out of being at the Ricoh.
Can't have it both ways. Either things stay as they are and 15K will be fine or we have success and its full every week.
I haven't seen the budget for the new stadium so I'm not sure where you've pulled tens and tens of millions from. The council only put £10m in for the Ricoh, less than 10% of the cost. As I have said if the best financial projection is a move then move. The point being we would be better off than we are now. That is a better base to move forward at a later date.
At the moment our options appear to be stay at the Ricoh, move to the Butts or move out of the city. If those three are examined and the best way forward is the Butts then surely you do that. Nobody is saying its the perfect solution just that it may be the best option we currently have. Working to put ourselves in a better position will give us more chance of attracting new owners and future investment so could act as a springboard.
Interesting that only you and Tony seem to have full details of the move, care to share with everyone else?
The difference will be a partnership. Since Wasps have moved in we've been kicked out of our dressing room, walk out of a tunnel full of Wasps branding, have Wasps logos dwarfing ours, bars have been renamed, Wasps logos around the pitch, a huge Wasps logo on the atrium and Wasps branding around the north east side of the stadium and everything CCFC related has been removed from the corporate area..
Do you think when the time comes for the seats to be replaced they will be sky blue or yellow and black?
And the plague of locusts. Don't forget the plague of locusts.If we utterly blow our bridges with Wasps. we could end up in the BPA, but with temporary seating and a reduced capacity to say 6/7000 { It will look like Bath Rugby used to }. I imagine the price for tickets would skyrocket, especially if we were doing ok as the supply and demand would dictate this. On this basis SISU could probably still run it at break even whilst fucking about in one court or another until Kingdom come. Everything they do has a feel of 'leaving an escape route open'. They wont invest millions of pounds at the BPA, it will be a minimal low cost temporary exercise paid for by the supporters.
In the meantime Wasps will push on with their transformation of the Ricoh, the seats will go Yellow and black, there will be more of their marketing and advertising and probably more floating local sports fans will be pushed to them rather than a cramped little operation where City play.
SISU are bending people over with this bullshit and giving them the full length ! I don't think anything will happen anyway other than SISU trying to strike a decent extended deal on rent with the pests !
If we utterly blow our bridges with Wasps. we could end up in the BPA, but with temporary seating and a reduced capacity to say 6/7000 { It will look like Bath Rugby used to }. I imagine the price for tickets would skyrocket, especially if we were doing ok as the supply and demand would dictate this. On this basis SISU could probably still run it at break even whilst fucking about in one court or another until Kingdom come. Everything they do has a feel of 'leaving an escape route open'. They wont invest millions of pounds at the BPA, it will be a minimal low cost temporary exercise paid for by the supporters.
In the meantime Wasps will push on with their transformation of the Ricoh, the seats will go Yellow and black, there will be more of their marketing and advertising and probably more floating local sports fans will be pushed to them rather than a cramped little operation where City play.
SISU are bending people over with this bullshit and giving them the full length ! I don't think anything will happen anyway other than SISU trying to strike a decent extended deal on rent with the pests !
If and its a BIG if you could squeeze a 25.000 seater stadium at the BPA it really would be someRight but can the butts but easily developed to 25k I'm not so sure and also with that theory if we did get to championship and premier league we expand but what if we were relegated back down to league 1. Do we start knocking stands down again. It doesn't work like that Nick. Surely?
There already here.And the plague of locusts. Don't forget the plague of locusts.
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Everything would have to be completed under close Scrutiny of Safety Executive.
Why? Unless you think a new stadium is going to appear overnight then we will have several more years at the Ricoh. As a landlord that should mean we get consideration. If you're a landlord you don't ignore your tenants because they might move out in five years time.If we are planning to move they won't even consider us.
Why? Its not unusual in the business world for companies to work together while they are taking legal action. Just look at Samsung and Apple.If we plan to take them to court we probably can't even talk to them.
In some respects thats true however in others its not. Go round the corporate areas, walk down the tunnel, approach the ground from the car park A. Very little indication of our existence.However as it stands it looks more like our ground than theirs.
That could be wishful thinking.If we are on board we will be considered in future changes.
You really are a spokesman for them ! But then I guess in your position you would have to be.......................
They haven't threatened you have they ?..................
Funny how when SISU announced the season ticket refund scheme they got a load of stick as there was no way that many people would turn up. Now all of a sudden Wembley wouldn't be big enough for the ticket demands.
It shows a lack of ambition?
The highest average attendance we have had in the last 26 years- is 21,000 in 2006.
Even in our premiership days, we averaged below capacity.. With the last season in the league recorded at 20.582.
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No sense of humour you my boy !!Spokesman how, for talking sense?
Nope, never spoken to them or been threatened by them.
They aren't a family made up of lawyers thankfully else I would need to worry.
Ashdown in being incorrect, part 459. It is becoming a habit now that people get all shouty and outraged but as usually misinformed or wrong!
Surely if we got as many fans to support the club, it would show that a smaller stadium wouldn't work? Meanwhile we have fans who refuse to go kicking off about the capacity.
No sense of humour you my boy !!
But we broke 17000, in League 1, with less than 2000 away supporters ?! Just suppose we went on a sustained run even at this level, Cov fans would have crawled out from everywhere to ride a bit of success, we would have soon been over 20,000 +. In this La La land scenario. at least 5000 of those would have been locked out !It shows a lack of ambition? To an extent maybe, as it doesn't plan for when we are winning every game. However when we aren't there are going to be 1000's of empty seats still? There is no evidence to support the claim that we will average over 25k- the maximum.
The highest average attendance we have had in the last 26 years- is 21,000 in 2006.
Even in our premiership days, we averaged below capacity.. With the last season in the league recorded at 20.582.
It only lacks ambition if we are already selling above, what the capacity is planned to be.
Just because we broke 17,000 the whole of twice this season, does not reflect general demand.
Our Fan base has considerably dropped, and understandably for some due to how shit the last few years have been. But people can not complain about the stadium being too small. When we have two quarters of the current stadium closed off.
As Nick says. Sell out every game now, and show we need a bigger stadium. Don't base it on the judgement that we can fill it up when we play big teams.
It's a forum for discussion, opinions and ideas. If we all knew the exact future there would be little to throw into the fire would there ? No one has turned out to be wrong or right on this latest farce have they ? The only predicted and accurate thing is that the SISU scumbags are going back to appeal....again !Ah that one where somebody throws something out there, turns out to be wrong and then they say "Ah it was a joke".
Course Cuz.
It shows a lack of ambition? To an extent maybe, as it doesn't plan for when we are winning every game. However when we aren't there are going to be 1000's of empty seats still? There is no evidence to support the claim that we will average over 25k- the maximum.
The highest average attendance we have had in the last 26 years- is 21,000 in 2006.
Even in our premiership days, we averaged below capacity.. With the last season in the league recorded at 20.582.
It only lacks ambition if we are already selling above, what the capacity is planned to be.
Just because we broke 17,000 the whole of twice this season, does not reflect general demand.
Our Fan base has considerably dropped, and understandably for some due to how shit the last few years have been. But people can not complain about the stadium being too small. When we have two quarters of the current stadium closed off.
As Nick says. Sell out every game now, and show we need a bigger stadium. Don't base it on the judgement that we can fill it up when we play big teams.
Are you basing your whole presumptions on Sky Blue Kid !?That is because apparently we will be in the Premier League within 3 years under SISU. Can't wait to see the Ricoh full this year rather than people sitting at home on their arse moaning about court cases as stopping them from going, then they can't get a ticket for a big cup game.
It's a forum for discussion, opinions and ideas. If we all knew the exact future there would be little to throw into the fire would there ? No one has turned out to be wrong or right on this latest farce have they ? The only predicted and accurate thing is that the SISU scumbags are going back to appeal....again !
Just suppose we went on a sustained run even at this level,
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