skybluetony176
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You've said the headline was about "hundreds of millions of pounds", I've said it only said this in your head. Thank you for proving me correct.
So the article and the headline wasn't aimed to shock at the thought of sisu taking hundreds of millions of pounds worth of tax payers money? Then the thought of a stadium being built with the tax payers money.
What about the legitimate sources in the past ie when the council were saying it's down to ccfc to buy the higgs share, come and get it etc. Most people knew it was impossible and wasps weren't there to share.
Just an example of legitimate sources. You should have heard mark labovitches stuff about the council, could have written stories from months from that off the record stuff. Probably as legitimate as sisu ever winning hundreds of millions and robbing the poor tax payer.
Usually every time somebody from sisu speaks the foi department are on overtime to catch them out.
I understand a story has to be bigged up to get people reading, to make money to pay wages. That's how it works isn't it?
I guess your job is to write stories that get clicks, sell papers and get people talking about it, and you do that!
But they've only made out it could happen in your head.
Are you reading the same thing?
You just said:
That's why I quoted the bits that used that exact word.I was replying to that comment with parts that used the exact word.
So they haven't only made out if could happen in my head then? They actually have as it says it in black and white?
You say scare story, I say printing information from a legitimate source.
That's your prerogative.
Mine will remain to continue to inform.
Simon every man and his dog knows someone from SISU. Would have said this too you and asked not to be directly quoted for whatever reason. ( maybe they been wisely informed not to speak to the press about legal matters without running it through the legal team first)
I would not bother responding to this matter though. Basically Grendel accused me of been a liar saying the line about SISU sources wasn't in the article, he hadn't read the article properly. He went off someone else's comment who said it never mentioned SISU.
When I pointed out word for word where it does and asked for an apology.
Rather than be man enough to accept his mistake and false allegation.
He back tracked at lightening speed.
He is now trying to change it to been about the legitacmy of source. (Never the original point)
In order to deflect the subject and avoid doing the decent thing that anyone else would do.
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were getting at.
Yes, the headline said millions, in other places it says hundreds of millions (I think the live feed from the court said it also) so the hundreds bit is in the text.
Nick I think perception plays a large part in this.
I read the headline and thought it won't cost the tax payer anything as I don't believe SISU will win the appeal.
I think the headline was fairly accurate. Unless the compensation does not come out of tax payers money.
SISU were handed a boost.
I gues could have said CCC were handed a blow. Would that have made much difference?
The key things that came out of the day for the CET was SISU won the app
Yep, and when it does say in other places hundreds of millions and in the live feed from the court it also makes it clear that it's someone close to SISU and/or SISU's legal team saying it. So who exactly is doing the the scare mongering that you're wetting your pants over? The person saying it or the messenger?
The person saying it I would say, I would imagine that it was no accident that it was said in front of Simon. It was said for effect in my opinion.
Do you want Simon to give him a detention or something?
Sisu didn't win the appeal.They have won the right to appeal which is a big difference.As it is at the moment the JR stands.Nick I think perception plays a large part in this. I read the headline and thought it won't cost the tax payer anything as I don't believe SISU will win the appeal. I think the headline was fairly accurate. Unless the compensation does not come out of tax payers money. SISU were handed a boost.I gues could have said CCC were handed a blow. Would that have made much difference?The key things that came out of the day for the CET was SISU won the appeal and they talked about substantive compensation. I would have thought those two factors would have to be in the headline would you not?
Fucking hell, it's like being back at school reading this forum sometimes. Simon, Grendel's being mean to me. Get a grip ffs.Simon every man and his dog knows someone from SISU. Would have said this too you and asked not to be directly quoted for whatever reason. ( maybe they been wisely informed not to speak to the press about legal matters without running it through the legal team first)
I would not bother responding to this matter though. Basically Grendel accused me of been a liar saying the line about SISU sources wasn't in the article, he hadn't read the article properly. He went off someone else's comment who said it never mentioned SISU.
When I pointed out word for word where it does and asked for an apology.
Rather than be man enough to accept his mistake and false allegation.
He back tracked at lightening speed.
He is now trying to change it to been about the legitacmy of source. (Never the original point)
In order to deflect the subject and avoid doing the decent thing that anyone else would do.
If that is the case, why wasn't half the crap Mark Labovitch used to go on about re-written?
Simon isn't stupid, surely he would know if somebody was "playing the game" with him? The same as 99% saw when Mark Labovitch was reeling stuff off.
How many times were you demanding independant experts should have been consulted over ML's comments? Never i would guess. So why it's such a crime on this occassion is beyong me. They've reported what the person said and as we've now agreed played it down in the headlines. If you ask me you've got your nickers in a twist about nothing.
I went to a meeting with some of sisu and they said that councillors would go to jail for what they had done they also believed that they were due substantial compensation.
Why do you think they are doing it for?
Stop scaremongering LAST. It's all your fault, you should have got an independant expert in before making those comments public. Go straight to the naughty step and tell Simon he can get of it now
Being serious for a moment, i seem to remeber you were'nt the only poster saying that this had been said during those meeting.
Exactly, if LAST was a newspaper reporter then surely he would check those comments out before writing articles and sending them to print?
The headline would be "Councillors could be jailed for Ricoh Saga" or something like that.
LAST isn't a newspaper reporter though is he printing articles?
Funniest thread I've read in years this
Perception certainly is interesting.
council decision possibly costing the taxpayer millions of pounds (due to alleged incompetence by public officials)
Because the story doesn't read that way, if it did then I doubt this thread would still be going
The story is geared up to SISU possibly winning, being boosted and the tax payer losing out rather than the council possibly dropping a bollock and the tax payer losing out.
It doesn't particularly read any way. It say's the tax payer will lose out if SISU win, which they will and a member of SISU's legal team has said it will be hundreds of millions, which Simon clearly stands by.
The rest is in your head Nick. I can't imagine for a single moment that if by the end of all this the net result is SISU were right anybody on here will be doing anything other than holding the council to account, myself included. I'm more than big enough to put my hand up and say I got it wrong.
If the shoe is on the other foot though and when the legal process is exhausted and what happened at the JR stands, i.e. The council are cleared of any wrong doing and SISU's behavior is called into question they'll still be some posters who won't except that. Judge Grendull for example has already declared that SISU should win but won't. I can't work out whether he means that the British justice system is corrupt or he's more educated in British law than the judge/judges preceding over the appeal therefore they'll get it wrong.
It is how it reads when you read it as somebody away from the mess, it is all about SISU winning and taking the tax payers money rather than the council possibly squandering tax payers money with a mistake.
As I've said, I don't personally think they will win let alone get millions out of it just judging by the past.
I'd say a few on here would still be blaming SISU even if they win.
Fuck me. This thread.
It is how it reads when you read it as somebody away from the mess, it is all about SISU winning and taking the tax payers money rather than the council possibly squandering tax payers money with a mistake.
As I've said, I don't personally think they will win let alone get millions out of it just judging by the past.
I'd say a few on here would still be blaming SISU even if they win.
I'm not getting involved in debates anymore so I won't be defending these views but I would still blame sisu if they win.
Sisus actions are unquestionably morally bankrupt the fact that the law can be manipulated and that people attempting to defend themselves and others can fall foul of other laws doesn't change that, it's never mattered to me whether the councils actions were legally state aid or not, I understand why they took the action they did and on a moral level support it (not talking about the wasps sale but the original loan), now obviously if sisu did win then the council are stupid and their advisers were clearly not fit for purpose and so the council would certainly share some blame but sisu would still be the guilty party, it would just be another example of how unjust the legal world can be should they win, them being in the right legally would not change the fact that their actions were disgusting and morally bankrupt.
I will always side with the morally right people over the legally right people, it's like the fact that the person who played Darth Vader has never received loyaltys because despite the movie he was in costing $33 million and bringing in something like $600 million it's never technically made a profit because of creative Hollywood accounting, all legal and above board but an utter freaking disgrace and this is the common practise, the 5th Harry Potter movie had a budget of $150million, brought in $940million and is currently listed as losing $167million.
This is a very interesting watch if you know how to use a VPN/proxy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs seems sisu should have tried taking over an American team instead, seems they would have gotten what they wanted from the council. The people who I've disagreed with in the past will probably enjoy it too because the American sports fans side with the owners over the local authoritys and it ends up getting them what they want.
Ahh Grendull. SBT's very own Eric Cartman "You must respect my authoritor"
Perception certainly is interesting.
I still don't really understand how a story about a council decision possibly costing the taxpayer millions of pounds (due to alleged incompetence by public officials) is a story that has been constructed to make Sisu look bad...
Simon. Out of interest if SISU lose the appeal are there any other options/avenues available to them to carry on persueing this case? Similarly, if the council lose what options/avenues do they have if they want to fight that decision?
Could be an interesting piece if you could put it together. And for Christ sake get the opinions of some independent experts if you can otherwise Nick and Grendull might literally explode.
So what's your opinion on the sale to Wasps? Surely that is as morally bankrupt as any of SISU's actions.
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