Sorry to raise this again / Dale Evans (2 Viewers)

Gosford Green · Jan 9, 2018

duffer said:
Who here is lapping up SISU's bullshit? Specifically, who?

I don't see anyone here baying for blood, though there's certainly a fair bit of ripping the piss.

Believing you're a millionaire when you're not, that's a sure sign of mental illness. Faking documents to try to convince other people though, that looks more like a deliberate deceit to me.

I'm not advocating locking the bloke up, but I'm all for challenging his behaviour. Getting a bit of stick online might help him to see his issues and sort himself out...

Look on some of the Facebook posts.

Like I said SISU/CCFC have done it for 10 years, some of the more gullible fall for it. I have seen 20 pages on here when the club were spinning about us potentially moving to the BPA, some were actually trying to believe it and getting a little bit excited. Never mind the owner of Cov Rugby saying he would would not touch SISU/CCFC with a barge pole, there was plenty that gave SISU/CCFC the benefit of doubt. That is one example.

covcity4life · Jan 9, 2018

i thinke veryone will want sisu to win this one lol

hill83 · Jan 9, 2018

covcity4life said:
i thinke veryone will want sisu to win this one lol

Sisu lover confirmed.

Get him.

Otis · Jan 9, 2018

clint van damme said:
it's OK. He's buying him a luxury yacht to make up for the disappointment.

Or at least buy him a magazine with a picture of an luxury yacht in it.

Adge · Jan 9, 2018

hill83 said:
Sisu lover confirmed.

Get him.

Yep, always thought he was an apologist.

RegTheDonk · Jan 9, 2018

Don't agree with Gren that he's a con man. A con man is someone looking to gain by deceipt. As far as the club is concerned, don't think at any point he's asked for anything for his personal benefit?

He's either a wind up liar, or someone with mental issues. If he indeed has family, they need to step up now, enough is enough - come forward and put people straight. It will hopefully put an end to his and other people's anxiety and, if needed, get him help.

oucho · Jan 9, 2018

RegTheDonk said:
Don't agree with Gren that he's a con man. A con man is someone looking to gain by deceipt. As far as the club is concerned, don't think at any point he's asked for anything for his personal benefit?

He's either a wind up liar, or someone with mental issues. If he indeed has family, they need to step up now, enough is enough - come forward and put people straight. It will hopefully put an end to his and other people's anxiety and, if needed, get him help.

Just because he didn't stand to make financial gain doesn't mean he wasn't trying to con people...he clearly was. Hence I think G's "conman" description is fair.

oldskyblue58 · Jan 9, 2018

Fraud doesn't have to involve large amounts of money and it is a criminal offence. Has damage been actually caused or loss suffered? well the Fraud Act says that this doesn't actually have to happen for an offence to occur. Claims by SISU and others would be civil cases

The guy may or may not have mental health problems we do not know

But just to be very picky here are some of the things that might be considered fraud it seems to me (just my opinion I am not a lawyer). They could give rise to criminal or civil (or both) cases

- use of the Solicitors good name, potential for a claim by the Solicitors firm business and personally by the solicitor herself. Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- use of the email address of Laura Deering, potential for claim by SISU & Ms Deering, Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- Those who he was buying property from may well have incurred costs based his fraudulent assurances of wealth and the proof provided. They have suffered loss because of him.
- People like the consortium and others may have incurred professional expenses based on what would seem to be fraudulent evidence provided. That is a loss because of him
- he may have received goods and services from a whole host of people taken in by his assurances
- Is there potential for the betting firm he said he won from with what seems a doctored betting slip. Has he used their good name in a potential fraud it would seem so.
- Those that bought him a pint because he was trying to buy the club - he never had the funds and knew it (like I said very picky but is the only reason he gained the pint his fantasy purchase of CCFC? very, very unlikely for there to be a claim against him on this obviously)

Did he allow people to incur cost or to provide benefit to him whilst he knew that it was based on lies and deception. It would seem so. He has even provided much of the evidence online.

The fact he might have mental health issues (we do not know he has) is a mitigating factor it doesn't wipe away the offence. There are two different things, firstly a potential criminal investigation and offence, secondly a civil case any of the above could bring

He could be in very big trouble. Just my opinion. Sorry but I am not so sympathetic as some.

Nick · Jan 9, 2018

oldskyblue58 said:
Fraud doesn't have to involve large amounts of money and it is a criminal offence. Has damage been actually caused or loss suffered? well the Fraud Act says that this doesn't actually have to happen for an offence to occur. Claims by SISU etc would be civil cases

The guy may or may not have mental health problems we do not know

But just to be very picky here are some of the things that might be considered fraud
- use of the Solicitors good name, potential for a claim by the Solicitors firm business and personally by the solicitor herself. Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- use of the email address of Laura Deering, potential for claim by SISU & Ms Deering, Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- Those who he was buying property from may well have incurred costs based his fraudulent assurances of wealth and the proof provided
- People like the consortium and others may have incurred professional expenses based on what would seem to be fraudulent evidence provided
- he may have received goods and services from a whole host of people taken in by his assurances
- Is there potential for the betting firm he said he won from with what seems a doctored betting slip
- Those that bought him a pint because he was trying to buy the club - he never had the funds and knew it (like I said very picky but is the only reason he gained the pint his fantasy purchase of CCFC? very, very unlikely for there to be a claim against him on this)

Did he allow people to incur cost or to provide benefit to him whilst he knew that it was based on lies and deception. It would seem so. He has even provided much of the evidence online.

The fact he might have mental health issues (we do not know he has) is a mitigating factor it doesn't wipe away the offence. There are also two different things, firstly a potential criminal investigation and offence, secondly a civil case any of the above could bring

He could be in very big trouble

You could say he got to watch a match with Joe Elliott in his box based on it too..

hill83 · Jan 9, 2018

Lovely little sideshow all this is turning into.

oucho · Jan 9, 2018

oldskyblue58 said:
Did he allow people to incur cost or to provide benefit to him whilst he knew that it was based on lies and deception. It would seem so.

I can't see that he did, really. At least, not to the point where anyone involved would think it was worth their while in pursuing a damages claim against him. The one action that might happen is that SISU and/or Clapham & Collinge apply for "injunctive relief" i.e. take out a civil injunction against him to prevent him carrying on in this way in future....but even then, their denials yesterday and subliminal threat of legal action have probably achieved that aim, so unless he pipes up more I would not expect any further legal action.

oldskyblue58 · Jan 9, 2018

think you are missing the real point. On the face of it, it would seem he could have committed fraud, that is a criminal offence. It may turn out not to be the case but until investigated we would not know like I said I am not a lawyer. Nothing to do with a claim by SISU or Clapham & Collinge. Now it may never get investigated to prosecution but ..................

fernandopartridge · Jan 9, 2018

oldskyblue58 said:
think you are missing the real point. On the face of it he has it would seem committed fraud, that is a criminal offence. Nothing to do with a claim by SISU or Clapham & Collinge. Now it may never get investigated to prosecution but ..................

If I was either the solicitor from Clapham & Collinge or Laura Deering, I would livid and would be pursuing a case against him. It is completely unacceptable to misrepresent somebody in that way. He needs to learn before he causes some real damage

ovduk78 · Jan 9, 2018

oldskyblue58 said:
Fraud doesn't have to involve large amounts of money and it is a criminal offence. Has damage been actually caused or loss suffered? well the Fraud Act says that this doesn't actually have to happen for an offence to occur. Claims by SISU and others would be civil cases

The guy may or may not have mental health problems we do not know

But just to be very picky here are some of the things that might be considered fraud it seems to me (just my opinion I am not a lawyer). They could give rise criminal or civil (or both) cases

- use of the Solicitors good name, potential for a claim by the Solicitors firm business and personally by the solicitor herself. Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- use of the email address of Laura Deering, potential for claim by SISU & Ms Deering, Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- Those who he was buying property from may well have incurred costs based his fraudulent assurances of wealth and the proof provided. They have suffered loss because of him.
- People like the consortium and others may have incurred professional expenses based on what would seem to be fraudulent evidence provided. That is a loss because of him
- he may have received goods and services from a whole host of people taken in by his assurances
- Is there potential for the betting firm he said he won from with what seems a doctored betting slip. Has he used their good name in a potential fraud it would seem so.
- Those that bought him a pint because he was trying to buy the club - he never had the funds and knew it (like I said very picky but is the only reason he gained the pint his fantasy purchase of CCFC? very, very unlikely for there to be a claim against him on this obviously)

Did he allow people to incur cost or to provide benefit to him whilst he knew that it was based on lies and deception. It would seem so. He has even provided much of the evidence online.

The fact he might have mental health issues (we do not know he has) is a mitigating factor it doesn't wipe away the offence. There are two different things, firstly a potential criminal investigation and offence, secondly a civil case any of the above could bring

He could be in very big trouble. Just my opinion. Sorry but I am not so sympathetic as some.

I hope the mad hatter didn't get taken in by his new high powered position and splash out on a new scarf?!

skybluetony176 · Jan 9, 2018

Can’t see how people can say he isn’t suffering from some sort of mental illness. My guess is he’s bipolar and is in a massive manic phase. I have a friend who has bipolar to the severest of degrees (only surfaced in their 30’s) and has twice been committed (voluntary second time) when in manic mode. She isn’t a compulsive liar but the things she was saying and believing about herself was completely unbelievable (not going into details but they make Dales tale look like a little white lie) to anybody witnessing it but she truly believed it. The good news for Dale is that help is available. For instance my friend now her treatment has been taylored to her requirements is very very successful in her field and a model mother, she’s now completely in control of her life with no reason to believe that will change . This guy needs professional help.

Big_Ben · Jan 9, 2018

Grendel said:
As for a sign of mental illness saying his family are ill not really. I’ve come across similar nonsense from conmen before.

There's a recognised thing called Munchausen's Syndrome by proxy, where the subject aims to gain sympathy (or other advantages) by claiming illness of close family or friends. Sometimes even making them ill in order to achieve attention.

oldskyblue58 · Jan 9, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Can’t see how people can say he isn’t suffering from some sort of mental illness. My guess is he’s bipolar and is in a massive manic phase. I have a friend who has bipolar to the severest of degrees (only surfaced in their 30’s) and has twice been committed (voluntary second time) when in manic mode. She isn’t a compulsive liar but the things she was saying and believing about herself was completely unbelievable (not going into details but they make Dales tale look like a little white lie) to anybody witnessing it but she truly believed it. The good news for Dale is that help is available. For instance my friend now her treatment has been taylored to her requirements is very very successful in her field and a model mother, she’s now completely in control of her life with no reason to believe that will change . This guy needs professional help.

No one knows whether he is or not. So it is not possible to say either way. It is in any case only a mitigation for his actions if true

covcity4life · Jan 9, 2018

his FB comments wont change

ITS ON TONIGHT OR TOMMROW FOR SURE

"really mate? good luck mate we need you"

DEFO BY END OF 2018 but probably BEFORE END OF 2018

"get in! excellent news dale,hope you are telling truth"

fernandopartridge · Jan 9, 2018

Big_Ben said:
There's a recognised thing called Munchausen's Syndrome by proxy, where the subject aims to gain sympathy (or other advantages) by claiming illness of close family or friends. Sometimes even making them ill in order to achieve attention.

Beverley Allitt being the famous case, but I don't think this sounds like that

RegTheDonk · Jan 9, 2018

Nick said:
You could say he got to watch a match with Joe Elliott in his box based on it too..

Fair point Nick, though is that a benefit or a punishment lol. Yes, as Ouch and OSB point out, he appears to have broken the law and damaged reputations other than his own. Being brought to task is up to those who enforce the law, but people connected to him know the truth, I'd just like someone to come forward and set things straight, it's a distraction to the problems and takes the gloss off the improving team.

KarmicChris · Jan 9, 2018

Gosford Green said:
Like a bunch of school bus bullies going for the odd kid who sits behind the driver.

Which could be why it’s got this far, he should be called out on what he’s been saying. A lot of time/money have been wasted on this fantasist. His family/friends should have got involved and put a stop to it. How on GH has been duped is beyond me, shows how haphazard the whole takeover is. They’re willing to talk to anyone who says they’ve got money.

Even if there is an underlying mental issue he’s brought a solicters name into disrepute, potential of his online poker account being doctored, shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it, can’t just dismiss it as “oh that’s Dale he’s harmless enough, leave him to his fantasies”

James Smith · Jan 9, 2018

oldskyblue58 said:
Fraud doesn't have to involve large amounts of money and it is a criminal offence. Has damage been actually caused or loss suffered? well the Fraud Act says that this doesn't actually have to happen for an offence to occur. Claims by SISU and others would be civil cases

The guy may or may not have mental health problems we do not know

But just to be very picky here are some of the things that might be considered fraud it seems to me (just my opinion I am not a lawyer). They could give rise to criminal or civil (or both) cases

- use of the Solicitors good name, potential for a claim by the Solicitors firm business and personally by the solicitor herself. Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- use of the email address of Laura Deering, potential for claim by SISU & Ms Deering, Use of someone elses name you have no right to is fraud
- Those who he was buying property from may well have incurred costs based his fraudulent assurances of wealth and the proof provided. They have suffered loss because of him.
- People like the consortium and others may have incurred professional expenses based on what would seem to be fraudulent evidence provided. That is a loss because of him
- he may have received goods and services from a whole host of people taken in by his assurances
- Is there potential for the betting firm he said he won from with what seems a doctored betting slip. Has he used their good name in a potential fraud it would seem so.
- Those that bought him a pint because he was trying to buy the club - he never had the funds and knew it (like I said very picky but is the only reason he gained the pint his fantasy purchase of CCFC? very, very unlikely for there to be a claim against him on this obviously)

Did he allow people to incur cost or to provide benefit to him whilst he knew that it was based on lies and deception. It would seem so. He has even provided much of the evidence online.

The fact he might have mental health issues (we do not know he has) is a mitigating factor it doesn't wipe away the offence. There are two different things, firstly a potential criminal investigation and offence, secondly a civil case any of the above could bring

He could be in very big trouble. Just my opinion. Sorry but I am not so sympathetic as some.

Having read that a name beginning with D and ending in A rings a bell from the previous administration.

James Smith · Jan 9, 2018

covcity4life said:
his FB comments wont change

ITS ON TONIGHT OR TOMMROW FOR SURE

"really mate? good luck mate we need you"

DEFO BY END OF 2018 but probably BEFORE END OF 2018

"get in! excellent news dale,hope you are telling truth"

Has he been at the same stuff Tim was on before making claims about how close we were to unveiling the location of the new stadium?

olderskyblue · Jan 9, 2018

fernandopartridge said:
If I was either the solicitor from Clapham & Collinge or Laura Deering, I would livid and would be pursuing a case against him. It is completely unacceptable to misrepresent somebody in that way. He needs to learn before he causes some real damage

This worries me slightly...

Reminds me of a colleague of mine many years ago who received a letter from Downing street telling him he was getting a new years honour because of his outstanding service to our industry. It was when he told us he was off at the week-end to buy a new suit for his visit to the palace that we finally came clean.... :emoji_anguished:

oucho · Jan 9, 2018

Well at any rate, unless we hear of action being taken against him, it looks like that's the end of this sorry episode. Kept us entertained, I suppose. When we're back in the PL in a few years we'll look back at this and chuckle. Hell, we're chuckling now!

Otis · Jan 9, 2018

hill83 said:
Lovely little sideshow all this is turning into.

joemercersaces · Jan 9, 2018

olderskyblue said:
This worries me slightly...

Reminds me of a colleague of mine many years ago who received a letter from Downing street telling him he was getting a new years honour because of his outstanding service to our industry. It was when he told us he was off at the week-end to buy a new suit for his visit to the palace that we finally came clean.... :emoji_anguished:

Or a colleague of mine whose house in North Warwickshire was in the way of the proposed M42. He was having a pretty acrimonious correspondence with a bloke at the department of transport called Richardson. Some of the lads got hold of DoT headed notepaper and sent him a letter requisitioning his bathroom for the use of the construction workers while they built the motorway. He took it hook line and sinker, came into work waving the letter, shouting “this bastard Richardson” and called the bloke to rant at him. Classic.

fernandopartridge · Jan 9, 2018

joemercersaces said:
Or a colleague of mine whose house in North Warwickshire was in the way of the proposed M42. He was having a pretty acrimonious correspondence with a bloke at the department of transport called Richardson. Some of the lads got hold of DoT headed notepaper and sent him a letter requisitioning his bathroom for the use of the construction workers while they built the motorway. He took it hook line and sinker, came into work waving the letter, shouting “this bastard Richardson” and called the bloke to rant at him. Classic.

Brilliant

ricohroar · Jan 9, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Can’t see how people can say he isn’t suffering from some sort of mental illness. My guess is he’s bipolar and is in a massive manic phase. I have a friend who has bipolar to the severest of degrees (only surfaced in their 30’s) and has twice been committed (voluntary second time) when in manic mode. She isn’t a compulsive liar but the things she was saying and believing about herself was completely unbelievable (not going into details but they make Dales tale look like a little white lie) to anybody witnessing it but she truly believed it. The good news for Dale is that help is available. For instance my friend now her treatment has been taylored to her requirements is very very successful in her field and a model mother, she’s now completely in control of her life with no reason to believe that will change . This guy needs professional help.

Sorry to hear this of your friend. It occurred to me though, maybe Tim Fisher could also be a sufferer, believing the things he says to be true?

Captain Dart · Jan 9, 2018

covcity4life said:
i thinke veryone will want sisu to win this one lol

Though it would be a massive hoot if they lost a case they apparently cannot loose.

harvey098 · Jan 9, 2018

Already got himself a court case... He does sound like a CCFC owner

Otis · Jan 9, 2018

skybluetony176 said:
Can’t see how people can say he isn’t suffering from some sort of mental illness. My guess is he’s bipolar and is in a massive manic phase. I have a friend who has bipolar to the severest of degrees (only surfaced in their 30’s) and has twice been committed (voluntary second time) when in manic mode. She isn’t a compulsive liar but the things she was saying and believing about herself was completely unbelievable (not going into details but they make Dales tale look like a little white lie) to anybody witnessing it but she truly believed it. The good news for Dale is that help is available. For instance my friend now her treatment has been taylored to her requirements is very very successful in her field and a model mother, she’s now completely in control of her life with no reason to believe that will change . This guy needs professional help.

Definitely think he is suffering from some mental health condition and am prepared to bet my £10m online poker winnings on it.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jan 9, 2018

There are far too many Dale apologists on here. I think the following solution would suffice:

weecohawena · Jan 9, 2018

about as credible as each other?

skybluetony176 · Jan 9, 2018

oldskyblue58 said:
No one knows whether he is or not. So it is not possible to say either way. It is in any case only a mitigation for his actions if true

I can’t claim to be an expert from my one experience of bipolar but from the off I recognised some very familiar signs, including his general demeanour during his very first radio interview. Hence I’ve stayed of the the threads until just very recently.

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