OK simple then.Ok simple then
Why did the government release no information about the person but allowed the press a picture when he was an 11 year old boy and told the press to publish that he used to sing in the choir ?
So it was starmer and coopers fault ah gotya moment for the governmentAgain a Prevent referral does not out someone on the governments radar. They are assessed and then go to Channel panel and even then might just have a local intervention.
Only 9% of referrals are adopted at Channrl panel. Here’s the stats:
It’s probably a good thing that most are known to the authorities
It means our police and security services do an amazing job
Suppose we could pretend that the tories and tax reducing reform will increase the police and security numbers and spending and it will be better
I’m very happy we can focus on what went wrong with the prevent process and the risk management to end up with this horrific attack
That’s a sensible question
It’s not where reform musk and the reform voters are at
So which of that is false and this is the nub and this is already further than any Twitter discussion I’ve had so thank you and it’s really usefulOK simple then.
Because they were worried, with good reason, about reprisals. Unfortunately they went so far in the opposite direction that they made themselves look silly and it had the reverse effect. There was that photo, he wasn't muslim, he sang in a choir, he was Welsh, we didnt know about him, he didnt arrive illegally and so it went on.
OK simple then.
Because they were worried, with good reason, about reprisals. Unfortunately they went so far in the opposite direction that they made themselves look silly and it had the reverse effect. There was that photo, he wasn't muslim, he sang in a choir, he was Welsh, we didnt know about him, he didnt arrive illegally and so it went on.
YesWhy are you going on about bringing down Starmer and now Musk and reform voters when nobody is actually saying anything about them in this conversation?
I don't think anybody is saying somebody said "Oh Axel is going out today to kill people, let's sit back and see what kicks off". It's more that when it happened there were plenty who knew him, went to school with him and said what he was really like but the image of him chosen was that he was a young BBC star, Welsh, Choirboy etc.
Can you not see why it will have pissed people off?
Can you share government statements that were misleading?When in reality, they knew all about him and would have known everything about him within minutes of it happening (if not sooner).
Obviously they aren't going to release everything while things are being investigated but they knew full well how different the image of him that was being pushed was completely different to the person who had committed the crime.
So which of that is false and this is the nub and this is already further than any Twitter discussion I’ve had so thank you and it’s really useful
photo was accurate it was just not recent - who released it? Government????
I didn’t see anything saying he wasn’t a Muslim it just wasn’t Muslim attacks kids but you think it would have helped if this info was known to have said we believe he’s a Muslim convert from a Christian home? I think I can agree with that. That would have been useful if it was known
He did sing in a choir
He was welsh
He didn’t arrive illegally he was born in wales
Can you share government statements that were misleading?
does anyone say he’s not a muslim
I remember the debates on here.
So it was starmer and coopers fault ah gotya moment for the government
Sorry what is the point I am missingI'm not sure if you can try any harder to miss his point.
He had Ricin, he was obsessed with mass killings, he was taking knives into school, he attacked people with a hockey stick, and people who dealt with him wanted police to be present.
I'm sure most killers did some nice things when they were little kids but I'm not sure it's that relevant if we found out that Ian Huntley once starred in his nativity or if Peter Sutcliffe was close to his nan.
It's also being said that he did want to go to a high school a week earlier but his dad talked him out of it, what did his dad know?
It was more that that they were so desperate to spread that narrative. I'm sure you will have read about his parents and the Starmer link, he wasn't a Christian. I also know that a lot of people I know who are UK to born to eg Indian heritage, refer to themselves as British Indian rather than British or Indian, he was listed as only Welsh. It's not so much wrong as trying to sell a story and they were clearly trying too hard, bearing in mind the atrocities that he'd just carried out.So which of that is false and this is the nub and this is already further than any Twitter discussion I’ve had so thank you and it’s really useful
photo was accurate it was just not recent - who released it? Government????
I didn’t see anything saying he wasn’t a Muslim it just wasn’t Muslim attacks kids but you think it would have helped if this info was known to have said we believe he’s a Muslim convert from a Christian home? I think I can agree with that. That would have been useful if it was known
He did sing in a choir
He was welsh
He didn’t arrive illegally he was born in wales
It was more that that they were so desperate to spread that narrative. I'm sure you will have read about his parents and the Starmer link, he wasn't a Christian. I also know that a lot of people I know who are UK to born to eg Indian heritage, refer to themselves as British Indian rather than British or Indian, he was listed as only Welsh. It's not so much wrong as trying to sell a story and they were clearly trying too hard, bearing in mind the atrocities that he'd just carried out.
Where do you startSo you really can't see the picture that was painted of him compared to the reality?
Sorry what is the point I am missing
Is it again that he should have been stopped before committing the crime?
or that the government should have shared the information as soon as they had it to inflame sensitivities and chances of a riot or are you agreeing it was sensible to try and avoid it or something else
Who was trying to sell a story? The police and security and the government?It was more that that they were so desperate to spread that narrative. I'm sure you will have read about his parents and the Starmer link, he wasn't a Christian. I also know that a lot of people I know who are UK to born to eg Indian heritage, refer to themselves as British Indian rather than British or Indian, he was listed as only Welsh. It's not so much wrong as trying to sell a story and they were clearly trying too hard, bearing in mind the atrocities that he'd just carried out.
Where do you start
Hideous murder takes place
Police arrest the killer
Charge him with murder and investigate
Social media goes mental with misinformation some of which happens to be accurate not because it was known to be but because there’s an m o
I think that’s ok to say
Now Rob’s suggestion then makes perfect sense and it’s in the delivery the mistakes happened but they were defending things at that point
You would look to minimise tensions wouldn’t you?
Are you suggesting that the sun express and mail were in the governments pocket!
The press gave the choir boy lineThe point is they didn't try and avoid it, it was all in on the choirboy rhetoric. Now I will mention Starmer, what he did was inflame the situation even more by coming out called everybody right wing if they disagreed or had concerns. He pouted fuel all over it and if anything, drove people towards the people making Telegram groups. Starmer would have known everything at that time as well.
On here today or before?How did it work out with minimising tensions?
It turns out that a fair bit of the "misinformation" that was being said was actually true, of course there was a lot of nonsense also being said but the core points were actually true.
I have posted a screenshot of what was played down at the time, which turns out is actually true.
On here today or before?
I think it’s important to be specific about stuff and recognise the nuance
The press gave the choir boy line
What would you want a responsible government to come out and say??
Both of us would probably need to listen to the announcement as I’m pretty sure he didn’t say anyone who disagrees or has concerns is far right I think it was those who were seeking to act violently or encourage violence were far right but I’m not certain
Where do you start
Hideous murder takes place
Police arrest the killer
Charge him with murder and investigate
Social media goes mental with misinformation some of which happens to be accurate not because it was known to be but because there’s an m o
I think that’s ok to say
Now Rob’s suggestion then makes perfect sense and it’s in the delivery the mistakes happened but they were defending things at that point
You would look to minimise tensions wouldn’t you?
Are you suggesting that the sun express and mail were in the governments pocket!
They do it with everyone.
Sorry the document you shared on hereSpecific about what? I don't think you can get as specific as somebody saying "He was in my class, he was expelled for bringing in a knife to school".
Yeah, it could have been fake. It turns out that it's much closer to the reality of things than him being a Welsh Choirboy called Gethin.
Thank youYou are sounding as deranged as Schmeee
Sorry the document you shared on here
Do they?
Damn I missed seeing Harold Shipman doing keepups with his U7's team.
Thank you
A courseInvestigate them, give them a course on not being a terrorist. It doesn’t mean you get your own personal spook 24/7
You are sounding as deranged as Schmeee
What misinformation grendel?I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
He was clearly a dangerous and disturbed individual. Misinformation occurs when the actual facts are suppressed.
A coursewill they get tea and biscuits same as the speed awareness one and key ring to say I'm no longer a terrorist
How many potential murderers and terrorists will volunteer I wonder?It’s literally a voluntary course. Thats what Prevent is. Im so bored of repeating myself.
This one Nick?so one of the dads who kid was there had posted this.
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assume he’s a c**t aswell then?
How many potential murderers and terrorists will volunteer I wonder?
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