Southport Stabbing (22 Viewers)

[SKYBLUES90]

Just put the c**t down.

 

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[Nick]

Have seen something about the media not covering certain things, from what I can see it is about the actual injuries the poor kids got and details of that. I agree with that to be honest.

It's one thing people wanting to know why he did it, his mental state, his background etc but I'm not sure needing to know whether he stabbed the child in the leg or the head when she died is needed.

That's how I interpreted it anyway.

 

[Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon]

Seriously? You aren’t going to stop this by making it hard to buy knives online. Knives are readily available in every kitchen. This isn’t guns we’re talking about. It’s just easier to blame Amazon and call it a day than actually tackle the problem of intervention in violent teenagers lives.

I think there's scope to do both, clearly tackling the underlying causes is by far the most important though.

 

[shmmeee]

What a prick giving it the “I feel ill”. Need to stop listening to that shite tbh. Gag him and carry on. It’s clearly fucking about.

 

[SBT]

Seriously? You aren’t going to stop this by making it hard to buy knives online. Knives are readily available in every kitchen. This isn’t guns we’re talking about. It’s just easier to blame Amazon and call it a day than actually tackle the problem of intervention in violent teenagers lives.

I believe that regulations make a difference in stopping at least some deranged individuals from accessing dangerous items. Amazon has the means and the ability to put restrictions in place and should do so - I'm not saying "blame them and call it a day".

 

[nicksar]

I buy things from Amazon fairly frequently that require age verification before the items are handed to me, they are very rigorous in that regard to be honest.

 

[Nick]

Just let the kids families in the side room with him for half hour and everybody turn a blind eye.

Job done.

 

[SKYBLUES90]

What a prick giving it the “I feel ill”. Need to stop listening to that shite tbh. Gag him and carry on. It’s clearly fucking about.

Complaining that he’s barely eaten or drank in 10 days. Who gives a fuck.

Clearly trying to go down the route of not being fit to stand trial.

Fuck him off into some forgotten lower basement area of Wandsworth and let him rot with no food and drink. PRICK.

 

[Nick]

I believe that regulations make a difference in stopping at least some deranged individuals from accessing dangerous items. Amazon has the means and the ability to put restrictions in place and should do so - I'm not saying "blame them and call it a day".

Anything I have ever bought over the last few years I have had to show ID / give my date of birth etc. Not knives but I think even if it is bladed / Alcohol etc.

Can only assume he's got round that.

 

[shmmeee]

I believe that regulations make a difference in stopping at least some deranged individuals from accessing dangerous items. Amazon has the means and the ability to put restrictions in place and should do so - I'm not saying "blame them and call it a day".

it’s a kitchen knife. I’ve been threatened in town with a screwdriver and a potato peeler at various points. Do we restrict them too? Bricks? As others have said delivery drivers already check on delivery I’m not sure what help this is other than another government enforced Capita contract for bad software.

 

[rob9872]

I believe that regulations make a difference in stopping at least some deranged individuals from accessing dangerous items. Amazon has the means and the ability to put restrictions in place and should do so - I'm not saying "blame them and call it a day".

But you'll never make it difficult to obtain knives. All it achieves is hamstringing Amazon sales because people object to them taking over the world. He used them I'm sure, only because it was convenient. Guns are easy to manage, most of us dont use a gun to chop onions.

 

[shmmeee]

Complaining that he’s barely eaten or drank in 10 days. Who gives a fuck.

Clearly trying to go down the route of not being fit to stand trial.

Fuck him off into some forgotten lower basement area of Wandsworth and let him rot with no food and drink. PRICK.

He’s plead guilty there isn’t a trial

 

[rob9872]

it’s a kitchen knife. I’ve been threatened in town with a screwdriver and a potato peeler at various points. Do we restrict them too? Bricks? As others have said delivery drivers already check on delivery I’m not sure what help this is other than another government enforced Capita contract for bad software.

Really? Where do you live or what do you do to upset people?

I assume you either share your SBT views in real life or must have a punchable face? I've never been threatened with anything thankfully.

 

[shmmeee]

Really? Where do you live or what do you do to upset people?

I assume you either share your SBT views in real life or must have a punchable face? I've never been threatened with anything thankfully.

Back in the 90s when this stuff was common in town. I laughed at the potato peeler guy. Screwdriver guy was in hill fields around 2am so probably my fault. Just a mugging.

 

[SBT]

But you'll never make it difficult to obtain knives. All it achieves is hamstringing Amazon sales because people object to them taking over the world. He used them I'm sure, only because it was convenient. Guns are easy to manage, most of us dont use a gun to chop onions.

As others have pointed out, there are already laws in place to stop 18 year-olds from purchasing knives, and those laws should have mdae it more difficult for this guy to have bought a knife off Amazon. If the laws weren't adhered to then there should be consequences for that. If people would prefer that knives were just easier to get all round then that's their opinion I guess.

 

[Grendel]

As others have pointed out, there are already laws in place to stop 18 year-olds from purchasing knives, and those laws should have mdae it more difficult for this guy to have bought a knife off Amazon. If the laws weren't adhered to then there should be consequences for that. If people would prefer that knives were just easier to get all round then that's their opinion I guess.

You are being typically obtuse here

 

[rob9872]

Back in the 90s when this stuff was common in town. I laughed at the potato peeler guy. Screwdriver guy was in hill fields around 2am so probably my fault. Just a mugging.

Well I guess if you were on your own wandering through Hillfields at 2am in the 90s it wasnt the action you were looking for

In all seriousness that must have been pretty frightening. If they're unhinged enough to threaten with a screwdriver, you never really know if they'll take the cash and still stab you.

 

[shmmeee]

As others have pointed out, there are already laws in place to stop 18 year-olds from purchasing knives, and those laws should have mdae it more difficult for this guy to have bought a knife off Amazon. If the laws weren't adhered to then there should be consequences for that. If people would prefer that knives were just easier to get all round then that's their opinion I guess.

Its more every increasing annoyances for the 99.99% in the hope of stopping some of the 0.01%. If delivery drivers aren’t checking then work on that. No need for fancy 2FA systems forced onto retailers.

 

[shmmeee]

Well I guess if you were on your own wandering through Hillfields at 2am in the 90s it wasnt the action you were looking for

In all seriousness that must have been pretty frightening. If they're unhinged enough to threaten with a screwdriver, you never really know if they'll take the cash and still stab you.

Haha just heading to a mates after a night at the Colly where I’d spent all my cash so he didn’t get much.

 

[SBT]

Its more every increasing annoyances for the 99.99% in the hope of stopping some of the 0.01%. If delivery drivers aren’t checking then work on that. No need for fancy 2FA systems forced onto retailers.

Isn't this literally what you were pointing out with that Jim Jefferies clip the other day?

I couldn't be less concerned about Amazon suffering inconvenience if it's in the name of public safety. Again - if the laws aren't being adhered to (by delivery drivers or whoever) then yes, they should absolutely work on that. Why shouldn't they?

 

[shmmeee]

Isn't this literally what you were pointing out with that Jim Jefferies clip the other day?

I couldn't be less concerned about Amazon suffering inconvenience if it's in the name of public safety. Again - if the laws aren't being adhered to (by delivery drivers or whoever) then yes, they should absolutely work on that. Why shouldn't they?

I just don’t think it’s effective. If you want to ban knives then go ahead but this stinks of the usually political response to pretend there’s a tech solution that ends up favouring large retailers and shitty government contractors more than anything.

 

[shmmeee]

Also are we saying he would have not done this six months later when he was 18 and would pass any checks?

 

[nicksar]

Honestly Amazon drivers are very rigorous in carrying out age related checks when required and that happens to me despite the fact we have had greater than 400 Amazon deliveries in the last 12 months!!.

 

[SBT]

I just don’t think it’s effective. If you want to ban knives then go ahead but this stinks of the usually political response to pretend there’s a tech solution that ends up favouring large retailers and shitty government contractors more than anything.

I haven't said anywhere that I want to "ban knives", nor do I think that enforcing the existing laws on knife sales will stop all attacks. But I do think a failure to enforce the law should have consequences, especially for one of the world's most powerful companies.

Also are we saying he would have not done this six months later when he was 18 and would pass any checks?

We are obviously dealing with hypotheticals here, but a six month delay could well have been the difference between the attack happening and not happening.

 

[bukayosakamoto]

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana to be sentenced for attacks waste of blood and organs, we shouldn't spend a penny on keeping him alive, drop him down the oubliette at Warwick castle and forget so we can move on

 

[bukayosakamoto]

Killing 3 children and saying you're glad they're dead has to be the most despicable act of evil I've heard in my 22 years

 

[wingy]

Also are we saying he would have not done this six months later when he was 18 and would pass any checks?

Isn't it that the age is due some reform downwards,15 or lower?

 

[shmmeee]

I haven't said anywhere that I want to "ban knives", nor do I think that enforcing the existing laws on knife sales will stop all attacks. But I do think a failure to enforce the law should have consequences, especially for one of the world's most powerful companies.


We are obviously dealing with hypotheticals here, but a six month delay could well have been the difference between the attack happening and not happening.

But we do enforce the rules. This is about additional technical solutions that are generally unproven, require you to upload personal data to whoever you buy from, and privilege places like Amazon over smaller shops that can’t eat the infrastructure cost.

 

[SBT]

But we do enforce the rules. This is about additional technical solutions that are generally unproven, require you to upload personal data to whoever you buy from, and privilege places like Amazon over smaller shops that can’t eat the infrastructure cost.

Do we? The current rules require proof of age to be provided on delivery - was that the case here?

 

[shmmeee]

Do we? The current rules require proof of age to be provided on delivery - was that the case here?

I honestly don’t know. I just know expensive and insecure tech isn’t the answer. Any of these systems can be gamed. Are we pretending we never got a beer before 18? Access to knives isn’t close to the issue. If all this stuff worked we’d have seen a massive fall in knife crime since they were introduced and if anything it’s gone the other way. It’s just security theatre from the “do something, no not that effective thing that’s too expensive, something cheap” crowd.

 

[SBT]

I honestly don’t know. I just know expensive and insecure tech isn’t the answer. Any of these systems can be gamed. Are we pretending we never got a beer before 18? Access to knives isn’t close to the issue. If all this stuff worked we’d have seen a massive fall in knife crime since they were introduced and if anything it’s gone the other way. It’s just security theatre from the “do something, no not that effective thing that’s too expensive, something cheap” crowd.

Are we pretending that vendors who sell beer to under-18s who then cause disorder don't face consequences for it?

Again, I've never said access to knives is the issue, but I do think it is an issue. Regulation being an imperfect and partial solution to a problem doesn't mean it should be dismissed altogether. I'm not even proposing any additional rules!

 

[shmmeee]

Are we pretending that vendors who sell beer to under-18s who then cause disorder don't face consequences for it?

Again, I've never said access to knives is the issue, but I do think it is an issue. Regulation being an imperfect and partial solution to a problem doesn't mean it should be dismissed altogether. I'm not even proposing any additional rules!

You’re proposing a rule that all online retailers have to add verification technology and all users have to go through it. It’s this kind of thinking that leads to airport security. It’s never proven effective but no one ever says no and no one ever agrees to reduce it out of fear.

 

[SBT]

You’re proposing a rule that all online retailers have to add verification technology and all users have to go through it. It’s this kind of thinking that leads to airport security. It’s never proven effective but no one ever says no and no one ever agrees to reduce it out of fear.

Am I? Can you show me where I said that?

 

[hill83]

Why are we even giving the c**t the opportunity to fuck about and say anything?

 

[Nick]

Why are we even giving the c**t the opportunity to fuck about and say anything?

I dont get why he needs to, surely if he is being sentenced he needs to sit and listen.

If he starts piping up then cattle prod the c**t and physically shut him up.