I mean, there are plenty of economists whose careers would suggest it’s extremely possible to at least make an educated prediction
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This is exactly my point
It’s meaningless trying to justify either migrant hotels or a royal coronation in purely economic terms, when so much of the opposition to them is rooted in cultural differences.
ccfc922
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Fair enough.
I've personally had a stone kicked at my dog when walking past one of these hotels in Bournemouth and the little rat ran back inside when confronted. This was about midday and I hadn't even glanced towards him.
The local media are hiding incidents as much as they can. There's a "migrant" hotel next to the college and there was a big incident that's been swept under the rug.
Of course there are genuine refugees/people seeking a better life, but it's incredibly naive to think the majority are here to contribute positively to the UKs society.
Read that post above about the girls being approached, it's happening, it's real and it's almost daily. Of course we have our own wrong uns and you get them everywhere, but undocumented people hanging around outside hotels chain smoking in designer gear doesn't scream asylum seeker to me.
MalcSB
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"Being a state event, the Coronation was paid for by the UK Government and Buckingham Palace through the Sovereign Grant - which comes from a percentage of the profits of the Crown Estate revenue - and the Privy Purse, money from a private estate known as the Duchy of Lancaster."Spending millions and millions in housing illegal "migrants"
Spending millions and millions on an historical event, crowing the king of our own country ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️
Regardless of if you're for the monarchy or not, the spending would have been recouped in part or even maybe a profit, unlike the hotels that are now unavailable for the public to spend money in.
Sounds as if negligible tax payers money involved.
Nick
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I went to Bournemouth a couple of months ago.
I didn't feel safe on my own up in that square where Popworld and the other bars are. There were people taking it in turns to do laps to look for people to target and then communicating with each other. Every bouncer pretty much warned about it when leaving a place saying that it's well known they will pick pocket or mug people.
Literally hundreds of immigrants sat about at night time, like a ghetto. Zero chance I'd let my daughter walk through on her own.
MalcSB
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Could do with some visible police presence to move them on.
Yes but they're invisible and only get involved with the aftermath when a crime is committed.
Report on the news this morning about shoplifting epidemic in the city centre here in Coventry, some crazy stat and the police denial that they don't do anything !
Nick
Administrator
There was zero.
MalcSB
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Typical.
MalcSB
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You're obviously an optimist. Most of the time they do fuck all after a crime has been committed - even if you have evidence. I mean, they will give you a crime number but that seems too be about it.
Even when they have investigated, have good video evidence and submit it to the CPS nothing happens. But woe betide if you post something on social media or read 1984, the thought police will get you then.
fernandopartridge
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I highly doubt the hotel's owners didn't know
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Another terrorist lunatic who they're about to let out.
Terrorist who played 'important role' in radicalisation of Manchester Arena bomber freed from prison
"It comes two months after the Parole Board refused to free him early because he was still considered a "high risk of serious harm to the public" and had a "propensity to radicalise others".
Abdallah was recalled to prison for breaching licence conditions in 2021."
What a clown country the UK is.
Terrorist who played 'important role' in radicalisation of Manchester Arena bomber freed from prison
"It comes two months after the Parole Board refused to free him early because he was still considered a "high risk of serious harm to the public" and had a "propensity to radicalise others".
Abdallah was recalled to prison for breaching licence conditions in 2021."
What a clown country the UK is.
MalcSB
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And how long it takes.
chiefdave
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Not sure what you're expecting to happen here. To me the headline is trying to make it read like he's been released early which isn't the case.
If you want to argue changes to sentencing that's fine but as we know the prisons are already full to capacity so if we're proposing to lock people up indefinitely where are we putting them?
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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The article goes into detail about how he is still a danger to society. I am not really sure what you are getting at here. If he is still a threat then he shouldn't be walking the streets, surely?
There would be a lot more room in prisons if we weren't putting people away for stupid offences, and weren't hosting so many foreign criminals. It doesn't make sense to release someone like this so that there is room for someone posting silly tweets.
Sky Blue Pete
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They may be at the end of their sentence so there is very little that can be done
If not then of course danger to society is a massive issue for parole decisions
You are absolutely right of course he shouldn’t be released and chief is absolutely right if we are going to lock people up indefinitely we need to spend far more in our prisons to reduce that risk to society on release.
You are also absolutely right that locking non violent people up for sentences less than a couple of years is absolutely pointless
The home Secretary could win some good will releasing some social media comment people from the riots on licence
chiefdave
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As I said if you want to apply that you need to change the law as the courts ability to give indeterminate sentences for public protection was removed in 2012, having only been introduced in 2005.
Under the current law not sure there's any other option than to release him even if he is considered a danger given he has completed his sentence.
Sky Blue Pete
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There isn’t but having seen in the prison that I volunteer at the director / governor has a lot of power to say come on this is nonsense releasing this guy
So they get a group (mappa) of all the organisations involved and agree a way forward. For this situation this will be minimising the risk to the public if the person has to be released.
For the individual I’m talking about they ensured he was remanded in custody for an offence in prison rather than being released at the end of his sentence
What was worse with the Ipp was it was acknowledged that people who committed violent crime should be locked up until they are no risk and then various governments said fuck it we can’t invest in prisoners they need to be punished so nothing was done until very recently about working with this cohort of thousands to reduce their risk of reoffending
A huge mistake by david blunkett that hrs accepted
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep criminality is hideous especially when authorities turn a blind eye or ignore the vulnerability of the victims
Gynnsthetonic
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Brothers charged with assaulting police officers at Manchester Airport
The Crown Prosecution Service has today charged two men with assaults on police officers on July 23.