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mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

I know this is not popular with everyone but after Fishers comments Today seemingly confirming we will never play within the city of Coventry again (near Coventry is not good enough for me, if I wanted near Coventry I would support Nuneaton), the time has come to start again.

It breaks my heart but if CCFC are not in Coventry they cannot be Coventry for me. We, the fans, are the club and we can continue our proud tradition under a new club.

www.pitchero.com/clubs/coventry1883

ConnorDevine · Aug 12, 2013

And the most frustrating thing about this is that the FL have allowed this to happen by not forcing SISU to pay the £1m bond

kapowaz · Aug 12, 2013

If there's going to be a new club it needs to start from the basics up. Creating some generic template crap CMS website like that doesn't help make the issues clear. Start with a manifesto that a large majority of CCFC fans agree with, and then draw up a plan of action from there. We don't need forums, video uploads, blogs, web shops and all that.

Voice_of_Reason · Aug 12, 2013

mark82 said:
I know this is not popular with everyone but after Fishers comments Today seemingly confirming we will never play within the city of Coventry again (near Coventry is not good enough for me, if I wanted near Coventry I would support Nuneaton), the time has come to start again.

It breaks my heart but if CCFC are not in Coventry they cannot be Coventry for me. We, the fans, are the club and we can continue our proud tradition under a new club.

www.pitchero.com/clubs/coventry1883

Sadly, I agree. The only way to get rid of SISU now is COMPETITION. I posted on another thread that protests are not working and will probably tail off. My ideal would be for Haskell to buy the Ricoh and fund a Pheonix club playing there. If anyone knows a better way let them share it ? SISU will fund Sixfields even if no supporters turn up !

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

kapowaz said:
If there's going to be a new club it needs to start from the basics up. Creating some generic template crap CMS website like that doesn't help make the issues clear. Start with a manifesto that a large majority of CCFC fans agree with, and then draw up a plan of action from there. We don't need forums, video uploads, blogs, web shops and all that.

If you can do that please be my guest. Consider yourself assigned the task.

Jackoskyblue · Aug 12, 2013

I'm in! There's no point in waiting around for 5years probably longer for us to return to near coventry. Someone needs to take charge and just form the club get people on board to help but go ahead, your never going to get everyone agreeing so there's no point in trying to.

The name is great really like Coventry 1883 the process needs to start now in order to start next season.

ajsccfc · Aug 12, 2013

So the whole NOPM idea of smoking them out is given up on after one game and an interview by trusted truth-teller Tim Fisher?

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

kapowaz said:
If there's going to be a new club it needs to start from the basics up. Creating some generic template crap CMS website like that doesn't help make the issues clear. Start with a manifesto that a large majority of CCFC fans agree with, and then draw up a plan of action from there. We don't need forums, video uploads, blogs, web shops and all that.

mark82 said:
If you can do that please be my guest. Consider yourself assigned the task.

And I agree by the way. If you could remove that stuff I would have, apart from the forum which I think will be necessary. Not everyone on here wants to discuss it. Anyway, let me know if you need any help.

Jackoskyblue · Aug 12, 2013

Id also be happy to help in anyway I could, I'm starting a marketing degree soon so can help in terms of that. Also know a few mates who are current midland combination players who may be intested in turning up for trail days when it gets to that

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

ajsccfc said:
So the whole NOPM idea of smoking them out is given up on after one game and an interview by trusted truth-teller Tim Fisher?

They have been quite clear for some time about not coming back to Coventry. You can wait for as long as you want. You are not interested, that is fine, no one is forcing you. You will be welcome whenever the time is right for you.

TurkeyTrot · Aug 12, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
Sadly, I agree. The only way to get rid of SISU now is COMPETITION. I posted on another thread that protests are not working and will probably tail off. My ideal would be for Haskell to buy the Ricoh and fund a Pheonix club playing there. If anyone knows a better way let them share it ? SISU will fund Sixfields even if no supporters turn up !

Are the fans off CCFC ready for a Phoenix club?
From what I have seen I'd say the answer is no.
Reading the posts on here over the past few months in regards to this we have.
No, I'm going egg chasing.
No, I'm going shopping,
No, I'll follow another local team,
Yes, I might go up now and again.
Yes, I will go up until CCFC returns to the Ricoh.
Yes, I will go until SISU builds the new stadium near Coventry.
Yes, I'll go and then when SISU Utd are ready the new club can be replaced by SISU Utd and we will be CCFC once more.
Plus lots of other ideas in between.
Lets be quite clear on this. If a new club is formed, that's what it will be. A new club, not a branch of CCFC, not a club to fold as soon as this horrible mess is sorted, but a whole new club.
As angry as a lot of us are about the situation in the cold light of day I don't think enough fans are ready to break that link from CCFC, not yet anyway.

Jackoskyblue · Aug 12, 2013

I also do the twitter page for the company I work for which has been succesful

Big_Ben · Aug 12, 2013

Jackoskyblue said:
Id also be happy to help in anyway I could, I'm starting a marketing degree soon so can help in terms of that. Also know a few mates who are current midland combination players who may be intested in turning up for trail days when it gets to that

"From little acorns mighty oaks doth grow" - or something like that

Spionkop · Aug 12, 2013

Mark, hang on just a week or two. We are clinging on to the hope that things can be resolved in some way to bring us back to the Ricoh.
I know it doesn't look likely right now. But one or two 'home' games may illustrate just how low the crowds will sink at Northampton. The Colchester one in particular. I do think the total crowd for that will slip under 1,000. It may focus minds.
It may be the misguided people who continue to stick their heads in the sand & who attend Northampton will realise the futility of it all, the eerie, empty experience, they'll drift away. Professional football, after all, is about crowds, passion and whathaveyou, not evident at Northampton. It won't be 5-4 every week.
When Sisu have to prop up pathetic finances it might hit them.
Preston Haskell isn't in Coventry for his health. There are obviously talks going on.
I'm waiting for the Sky Blue Trust to show us their strategy for coming weeks.
Is the CCFC Ladies game a focus?
I don't want to have to start a new CCFC, I'd like to rescue our existing team. But if we have to I'm sure we'll organise a new team in plenty of time for next season and take back our history while we're at it. And drive SISU Cobblers out of existence.
I heard Fisher on the radio this morning. Same old, same old.
With pitiful crowds the FA may step in (don't laugh). Keep our unity against Sixfields and it may yet work.
I agree we can't wait forever but give it a little longer.

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

TurkeyTrot said:
Are the fans off CCFC ready for a Phoenix club?
From what I have seen I'd say the answer is no.
Reading the posts on here over the past few months in regards to this we have.
No, I'm going egg chasing.
No, I'm going shopping,
No, I'll follow another local team,
Yes, I might go up now and again.
Yes, I will go up until CCFC returns to the Ricoh.
Yes, I will go until SISU builds the new stadium near Coventry.
Yes, I'll go and then when SISU Utd are ready the new club can be replaced by SISU Utd and we will be CCFC once more.
Plus lots of other ideas in between.
Lets be quite clear on this. If a new club is formed, that's what it will be. A new club, not a branch of CCFC, not a club to fold as soon as this horrible mess is sorted, but a whole new club.
As angry as a lot of us are about the situation in the cold light of day I don't think enough fans are ready to break that link from CCFC, not yet anyway.

It'll be whatever the fans want it to be. If people want to support the new club and Near-Coventry City that is fine.

I disagree that people are not ready. I think it is split equally between the yes, no's and maybes.

ajsccfc · Aug 12, 2013

mark82 said:
You can wait for as long as you want.

I will, as I don't believe any of these plans are anything but politicking and this is all short-term brinkmanship. If people want an alternative, I don't see why they don't get behind an existing team like Sphinx - a team with actual history and no cynical motive hurriedly put together to prey on the emotions of angry fans.

kapowaz · Aug 12, 2013

mark82 said:
If you can do that please be my guest. Consider yourself assigned the task.

Funnily enough, I started working on doing that before realising I just don't have time for it. I don't meant to be taking a dump on anyone's hard work, but if you're going to gather people to the cause you have to go about it in a focused fashion.

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

Spionkop said:
Mark, hang on just a week or two. We are clinging on to the hope that things can be resolved in some way to bring us back to the Ricoh.
I know it doesn't look likely right now. But one or two 'home' games may illustrate just how low the crowds will sink at Northampton. The Colchester one in particular. I do think the total crowd for that will slip under 1,000. It may focus minds.
It may be the misguided people who continue to stick their heads in the sand & who attend Northampton will realise the futility of it all, the eerie, empty experience, they'll drift away. Professional football, after all, is about crowds, passion and whathaveyou, not evident at Northampton. It won't be 5-4 every week.
When Sisu have to prop up pathetic finances it might hit them.
Preston Haskell isn't in Coventry for his health. There are obviously talks going on.
I'm waiting for the Sky Blue Trust to show us their strategy for coming weeks.
Is the CCFC Ladies game a focus?
I don't want to have to start a new CCFC, I'd like to rescue our existing team. But if we have to I'm sure we'll organise a new team in plenty of time for next season and take back our history while we're at it. And drive SISU Cobblers out of existence.
I heard Fisher on the radio this morning. Same old, same old.
With pitiful crowds the FA may step in (don't laugh). Keep our unity against Sixfields and it may yet work.
I agree we can't wait forever but give it a little longer.

Nothing will happen immediately anyway. Can't start until next season but things should be in place by the new year IMO.

Spionkop · Aug 12, 2013

OK Turkeytrot, some decent points made. I don't agree with all of them.
Thousands of very angry fans. If it was explained that a new CCFC was being formed with the ultimate aim of taking back our history, I reckon a lot of fans would be on board. And the fanbase would grow very quickly.
The simple fact of football being fun again and the sheer defiant act of 'this is our club and we are taking it back' would be a powerful motivating force.
As I said, there is still time to resolve it now. I'd say Christmas is the cut off point. After that, if a new CCFC is to be formed, (and taking back our history) it has to be done then in time for next season.
But I'd like the Trust to spell out what they are going to do?

TurkeyTrot · Aug 12, 2013

mark82 said:
It'll be whatever the fans want it to be. If people want to support the new club and Near-Coventry City that is fine.

I disagree that people are not ready. I think it is split equally between the yes, no's and maybes.

Mark, to start a new club that will be a success will take lots of hard work and lots of commitment, not just short term but long term.
To say it'll be what the fans want it to be, if the fans want it to be a success until this mess is sorted would that be fair to all those who have worked to establish a new club?
It's early days yet, these last few weeks have really shown that the fans are united in getting Coventry back in Coventry and I think we've surprised a few people by our numbers. It's the most upbeat I've felt in a long time.

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

ajsccfc said:
I will, as I don't believe any of these plans are anything but politicking and this is all short-term brinkmanship. If people want an alternative, I don't see why they don't get behind an existing team like Sphinx - a team with actual history and no cynical motive hurriedly put together to prey on the emotions of angry fans.

Because I don't want to support Sphinx. Would be disrespectful to go there and and sing city songs and try to take over their club.

covcity4life · Aug 12, 2013

ajsccfc said:
So the whole NOPM idea of smoking them out is given up on after one game and an interview by trusted truth-teller Tim Fisher?

its all flavour of the month stuff for these guys, they love this chaos, if we go back to ricoh they probably wont go!

covcity4life · Aug 12, 2013

thats a good point though about sphinx and old ccfc songs etc

IF we ever need to support someone else it has to be a fresh new club for me.

ajsccfc · Aug 12, 2013

mark82 said:
Because I don't want to support Sphinx. Would be disrespectful to go there and and sing city songs and try to take over their club.

What's the difference? It's transferring allegiance however it's dressed up. It's nothing to do with taking them over, if they ended up as the team representing the city at a higher level that's pretty much what people are looking for with all these multitude of 'phoenix' clubs surely.

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

covcity4life said:
its all flavour of the month stuff for these guys, they love this chaos, if we go back to ricoh they probably wont go!

Who won't? I would go if we were back at the Ricoh. Sorry to burst your bubble super fan.

Spionkop · Aug 12, 2013

But Turkey, what are the Trust planning to do?
Can't we be a little more proactive, rather than waiting?
Have the Trust discussed the possibility of a reborn CCFC in Coventry?
I'd agree it is 'early days' yet, but Christmas will come around in a flash.
A reborn CCFC has to be a contingency plan. With the express aim of rapid promotions and playing at the Ricoh (or if needs be a Coventry venue until the numbers grow sufficiently to play at the Ricoh.????)

TurkeyTrot · Aug 12, 2013

Spionkop said:
OK Turkeytrot, some decent points made. I don't agree with all of them.
Thousands of very angry fans. If it was explained that a new CCFC was being formed with the ultimate aim of taking back our history, I reckon a lot of fans would be on board. And the fanbase would grow very quickly.
The simple fact of football being fun again and the sheer defiant act of 'this is our club and we are taking it back' would be a powerful motivating force.
As I said, there is still time to resolve it now. I'd say Christmas is the cut off point. After that, if a new CCFC is to be formed, (and taking back our history) it has to be done then in time for next season.
But I'd like the Trust to spell out what they are going to do?

We're on the Same side here. I can't argue with any point you have made. My only concern (at this moment in time) is that it's too early. Yesterday was a watershed. At this moment in time the Trust are fully behind keep Coventry in Coventry. I really do think SISU/ Otium are on the back foot and we must explore all avenues to get a deal done to bring CCFC home. If that fails...

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

ajsccfc said:
What's the difference? It's transferring allegiance however it's dressed up. It's nothing to do with taking them over, if they ended up as the team representing the city at a higher level that's pretty much what people are looking for with all these multitude of 'phoenix' clubs surely.

The difference is that Sphinx don't represent me as a CCFC fan. The new club would as in my eyes it would be more of a continuation of Coventry City than a club outside of Coventry with that name. It's quite simple, I don't see what you don't get about it.

ajsccfc · Aug 12, 2013

I understand it, I don't believe it. A lot of this idea is built on questionable logic.

Fisher: we plan to do blah blah to help the club.

Everyone: BOLLOCKS!

Fisher: ACL said this in discussions

Everyone: BOLLOCKS!

Fisher: We're building a new stadium

Everyone: BOLLOCKS!

Fisher: We've got three sites and are talking to councils

Everyone: Well that's definitely true, drop all the talk about fighting to get the club back where it belongs and let's make a website

It just smacks of giving up, which goes against all the rhetoric and defiance that has came before. If you do push it forward, I wish you all the luck in the world though. It just doesn't sit right for me.

kapowaz · Aug 12, 2013

Do you think any fans of the various clubs who have gone under and been reborn feel like they've transferred allegiance? I doubt it. I also suspect that with a strong campaign in the city and serious backing a large majority of fans would prefer to support the new club.

I still feel like the various conversations that are happening about a new club are lacking in focus here, though. Lots of people are sceptical about it working (which is fine, nothing is guaranteed) or being a good idea (also, there's no way of knowing it it really is the best path yet), but I think we ought to start polling for the most important things that fans want to see in a new club. The values of the club, how it's organised (we don't want to ever find ourselves in this situation again, do we?), how to finance it etc. etc. I would still prefer the club to be named ‘City of Coventry Football Club’ rather than ‘Coventry 1883’, for example, but I'm sure that's nowhere near as important for everyone.

So how about that — focus on adding your tuppence on what you'd like in a new club, rather than debating if it should/could even happen?

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

TurkeyTrot said:
We're on the Same side here. I can't argue with any point you have made. My only concern (at this moment in time) is that it's too early. Yesterday was a watershed. At this moment in time the Trust are fully behind keep Coventry in Coventry. I really do think SISU/ Otium are on the back foot and we must explore all avenues to get a deal done to bring CCFC home. If that fails...

I agree with what you say. The option needs to stay at the forefront though if only as a means of applying further pressure. Also, we don't want to rush things so things such as name, logo, etc can be looked at and ready to vote on when we get to crunch time later in the year / early next year.

mark82 · Aug 12, 2013

ajsccfc said:
I understand it, I don't believe it. A lot of this idea is built on questionable logic.

Fisher: we plan to do blah blah to help the club.

Everyone: BOLLOCKS!

Fisher: ACL said this in discussions

Everyone: BOLLOCKS!

Fisher: We're building a new stadium

Everyone: BOLLOCKS!

Fisher: We've got three sites and are talking to councils

Everyone: Well that's definitely true, drop all the talk about fighting to get the club back where it belongs and let's make a website

It just smacks of giving up, which goes against all the rhetoric and defiance that has came before. If you do push it forward, I wish you all the luck in the world though. It just doesn't sit right for me.

No one is saying drop the fight. It is a contingency plan but its looking more likely to have to be a reality.

CV2 4GU · Aug 12, 2013

you need a buyer for the the Ricoh first
then you need fans to turn up to financially support it
buy the players out contract from the old club
Sisu's golden ticket wont be worth much if they slide further down the leagues maybe players values will fall if they "suffer a loss of form" making them cheaper for the new club to buy

TurkeyTrot · Aug 12, 2013

Spionkop said:
But Turkey, what are the Trust planning to do?
Can't we be a little more proactive, rather than waiting?
Have the Trust discussed the possibility of a reborn CCFC in Coventry?
I'd agree it is 'early days' yet, but Christmas will come around in a flash.
A reborn CCFC has to be a contingency plan. With the express aim of rapid promotions and playing at the Ricoh (or if needs be a Coventry venue until the numbers grow sufficiently to play at the Ricoh.????)

Spionkop, yes their has been discussions and groundwork done on a number of scenarios, hence the recent vote for rule change. But the focus has to be on Coventry playing in Coventry until we (members and fans) honestly believe that that is a hopeless cause.

hill83 · Aug 12, 2013

I don't have a problem with it being in the coventry area to be honest. Just outside is fine. It could even end up being closer to Earlsdon than the Ricoh.
I do have a problem with it being Sisu planning it.

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