Summer Transfer Window (40 Viewers)

[Gibbo]

Imagine thinking we'd even try and sign a whole first 11 if promoted. I'm sure the management have more faith in some of our first teamers than posters on here... at least i hope they do.
You need to be smart with the recruitment but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If we were to rely on the current team then it's 0-4 every home game. Premiership strikers will make mincemeat of our back 4 - even MVE. It will be a week in week out thrashing. See Soton this year and Burnley last. Forest spent big and survived. Luton spent on the ground, because they were forced to, but came down.

Ideally DK will have achieved what he wanted by being promoted and will sell the club to some foreign moneybags, even though that comes with the potential for getting a complete dickhead in charge. Foreign moneybags then enables the club to buy the players it needs. That's the ideal scenario

 

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[TomRad85]

If we were to rely on the current team then it's 0-4 every home game. Premiership strikers will make mincemeat of our back 4 - even MVE. It will be a week in week out thrashing. See Soton this year and Burnley last. Forest spent big and survived. Luton spent on the ground, because they were forced to, but came down.

Ideally DK will have achieved what he wanted by being promoted and will sell the club to some foreign moneybags, even though that comes with the potential for getting a complete dickhead in charge. Foreign moneybags then enables the club to buy the players it needs. That's the ideal scenario

Not sure where i said rely on the entire of the current first team but we won't be chucking them all in the bin like some of you headcases want.
Pointless argument, very small chance we get to see this play out although we all hope it's the case. If it does happen, i guarantee i'm right though.

 

[Gibbo]

Far as I'm aware the championship shopping list is

LB Already in talks apparently
CB
RB Understudy
Winger

This is the right sort of length of list and rightly focused on defence. We already have four players, if you include Haji, who play on the wing so it implies that Frank does not trust one of them (Tats?).

Spending money on cover for Tats makes little commercial sense, might just as well keep Paterson if its for cover only. The logic is they want somebody better than Tats, with him moving to being mainly for cover. Maybe Tats knows this and it explains why he is playing out of his skin right now.

 

[Gibbo]

Not sure where i said rely on the entire of the current first team but we won't be chucking them all in the bin like some of you headcases want.
Pointless argument, very small chance we get to see this play out although we all hope it's the case. If it does happen, i guarantee i'm right though.

It's pretty much what Forest did. Loans and new signings iirc. I think Brentford funded it by selling Watkins. At the most optimistic we have barely 4 players (four!) of Premiership standard.

 

[wingy]

Not sure where i said rely on the entire of the current first team but we won't be chucking them all in the bin like some of you headcases want.
Pointless argument, very small chance we get to see this play out although we all hope it's the case. If it does happen, i guarantee i'm right though.

You've taken covcityforlife catchphrase there, what if you both disagree?

 

[Ccfcisparks]

This is the right sort of length of list and rightly focused on defence. We already have four players, if you include Haji, who play on the wing so it implies that Frank does not trust one of them (Tats?).

Spending money on cover for Tats makes little commercial sense, might just as well keep Paterson if its for cover only. The logic is they want somebody better than Tats, with him moving to being mainly for cover. Maybe Tats knows this and it explains why he is playing out of his skin right now.

We have 1 right winger so it doesn't suggest that at all.

 

[TomRad85]

It's pretty much what Forest did. Loans and new signings iirc. I think Brentford funded it by selling Watkins. At the most optimistic we have barely 4 players (four!) of Premiership standard.

Forest spent more than the entire Bundesliga, broke spending rules and still ever so nearly fucked it, they are very lucky they didn't! You're off your head if you think we'll do anything similar to that shit show.
As for your 4 at Premiership standard, its completely irrelevant. Some would have to stand up and play their part. Sensible people have listed above the players who they think would still be around the matchday squad in the event of a promotion and it seems most agree on the same 9 or 10 which i also broadly agree with.

 

[Martw]

I understand there is an agreement that the losing team in the playoff final keeps all the gate receipts as a booby prize.

I’m sure it’s a gentleman’s agreement nothing formal and have in the back of my mind that we didn’t do it v Luton but I might be mistaken ! I normally am

 

[Martw]

I totally agree.

What we do have is team togetherness. You can't buy that. They now understand what each other can do and the way they play. You can't buy/loan that. Look at the players that improved during our time climbing through the league.

Our younger players will continue to improve. If we came straight back down we would be a better side than what went up. Build a side that would complement what we already have.

The last thing we would want to do is spend a fortune on loan players that wouldn't be with us the next season. Use the windfall to improve our future.

Agree with this and feel this is what Ipswich have tried to do to some extent, they will almost certainly lose Delap and probably Hutchison but most if their champ winning team are still there and they will compete at the top again for certain I reckon .

 

[Levship20]

Agree with this and feel this is what Ipswich have tried to do to some extent, they will almost certainly lose Delap and probably Hutchison but most if their champ winning team are still there and they will compete at the top again for certain I reckon .

Not sure on Hutchinson. Think he has been overall disappointing and a bit lightweight. Also on good money.

 

[shmmeee]

You seem happy to go the route of spending a fortune on the small chance we stay up and hell to the consequences. Of course we would all want to stay up but not at the financial risk to the club.

Playing in the championship is a financial risk to the club. We lose tens of millions a year. If you want us to be sustainable we need to stay up (or go back to L1)

This is the right sort of length of list and rightly focused on defence. We already have four players, if you include Haji, who play on the wing so it implies that Frank does not trust one of them (Tats?).

Spending money on cover for Tats makes little commercial sense, might just as well keep Paterson if its for cover only. The logic is they want somebody better than Tats, with him moving to being mainly for cover. Maybe Tats knows this and it explains why he is playing out of his skin right now.

Lampard sees Wright as a striker. We have two wingers: EMC and Saka

 

[Lamps]

Can your cat also play on the wing?

Was playing on both wings last week. The bird it brought me as a present was nearly the size of him.

 

[Lamps]

So a back-up RB on the list? Hopefully meaning we will try to resist bids for MVE.

Hopefully. You can see he enjoys playing for us. Most players would love to play in the Prem and we're not far away from it. Very good in defence and in attack. Just the type of player we need.

 

[Terry_dactyl]

Was playing on both wings last week. The bird it brought me as a present was nearly the size of him.

Sign him up!

 

[Lamps]

Sign him up!

Already have

 

[Balli001]

Playing in the championship is a financial risk to the club. We lose tens of millions a year. If you want us to be sustainable we need to stay up (or go back to L1)



Lampard sees Wright as a striker. We have two wingers: EMC and Saka

King himself said we are losing around 6 mil a year currently. You correctly know about financial risks yet want us to massively overspend to gamble on premier league survival

 

[shmmeee]

King himself said we are losing around 6 mil a year currently. You correctly know about financial risks yet want us to massively overspend to gamble on premier league survival

And you want us to lose £6m a year in perpetuity

In reality we probably need a new owner to be sustainable or whatever passes for it these days and I imagine King wants promotion to make us saleable.

 

[Captain Dart]

Playing in the championship is a financial risk to the club. We lose tens of millions a year. If you want us to be sustainable we need to stay up (or go back to L1)



Lampard sees Wright as a striker. We have two wingers: EMC and Saka

Raphael and Pato have lodged a formal complaint against you.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And you want us to lose £6m a year in perpetuity

In reality we probably need a new owner to be sustainable or whatever passes for it these days and I imagine King wants promotion to make us saleable.

Football in this country or at least in the top two divisions won't ever be sustainable.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Football in this country or at least in the top two divisions won't ever be sustainable.

I think that's right. Achieving financial sustainability is akin to finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow scenario. It's not within reach, and certainly not if you want to get anywhere in the sport.

 

[shmmeee]

I think that's right. Achieving financial sustainability is akin to finding a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow scenario. It's not within reach, and certainly not if you want to get anywhere in the sport.

Between this fact and the fact most clubs don’t actually go out of existence aside from some moral feeling I’m not sure why people are obsessed with us not overspending tbh.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Between this fact and the fact most clubs don’t actually go out of existence aside from some moral feeling I’m not sure why people are obsessed with us not overspending tbh.

It comes back to the classic 'don't gamble what you can't afford to lose'. That number is wildly different from owner to owner, if you're at Wrexham or Birmingham it's essentially limitless, in our case King can perhaps justify millions but probably not tens of millions.

 

[mmttww]

King's made it pretty clear, even if it's inferred, that he'll fund us to some extent for five years from the start of last season. How close we are to promotion and how much losses go up or down will probably determine whether or not we sell much.

e.g. if Vik is sold and Sheaf leaves netting us £5-6m, we might get away with no other sales this summer if we stay in this league.

I feel like King might take some chips down in Jan or next summer if we don't go up i.e. sell Wright, MVE and a few others as well. Reckon we'll manage one more summer of building on this core if we make the playoffs. @Saddlebrains - is that about right?

 

[Saddlebrains]

King's made it pretty clear, even if it's inferred, that he'll fund us to some extent for five years from the start of last season. How close we are to promotion and how much losses go up or down will probably determine whether or not we sell much.

e.g. if Vik is sold and Sheaf leaves netting us £5-6m, we might get away with no other sales this summer if we stay in this league.

I feel like King might take some chips down in Jan or next summer if we don't go up i.e. sell Wright, MVE and a few others as well. Reckon we'll manage one more summer of building on this core if we make the playoffs. @Saddlebrains - is that about right?

As far as i understand it, Sheaf is the one earmarked to leave, we won't take any less than 6 million

Viktor is 99% nailed on to move, and for the release clause also, meaning we get another 6 million

£12 million raised, we will be able to spend 8-10 of that, easily enough to improve us


The issue will be next summer, Milan, Haji etc all with 1 (or 2 depending on club option) years left, and funds will have to be raised Vik and Gus style

All being well, only Sheaf of note moves, as does Vik early doors, and we then have a proper tilt at it before the next 'cycle'

 

[Lamps]

Between this fact and the fact most clubs don’t actually go out of existence aside from some moral feeling I’m not sure why people are obsessed with us not overspending tbh.

I remember a club that spent money it didn't have. They ended up being owned by a hedge fund. They ended up in League 2. They played their home games in Northampton and then Birmingham. Luckily they got a manager called Robins who whatever was thrown at him took the side from League 2 to the Championship with visits to Wembley their supporters were not used to. Then they got to penalties away from being a Prem side. How about a toenail from an FA cup.final the next season.

I wouldn’t want to risk that happening to my club.

 

[shmmeee]

I remember a club that spent money it didn't have. They ended up being owned by a hedge fund. They ended up in League 2. They played their home games in Northampton and then Birmingham. Luckily they got a manager called Robins who whatever was thrown at him took the side from League 2 to the Championship with visits to Wembley their supporters were not used to. Then they got to penalties away from being a Prem side. How about a toenail from an FA cup.final the next season.

I wouldn’t want to risk that happening to my club.

That was nothing to do with us overspending.

 

[Lamps]

That was nothing to do with us overspending.

How did we end up skint before it all went wrong then?

 

[shmmeee]

How did we end up skint before it all went wrong then?

We got relegated and ITV digital went bust meaning our income dropped massively we were also mismanaged.

 

[KenilworthSkyBlue]

Between this fact and the fact most clubs don’t actually go out of existence aside from some moral feeling I’m not sure why people are obsessed with us not overspending tbh.

It's a lot harder for clubs to go completely bust nowadays. Fit and proper owners test, while incredibly basic, do block out a lot of the nutcases - if you want to see a classic case of why it works see the Chris Kirchner Derby County saga. Failed Derby County bidder Chris Kirchner jailed for fraud.

And for the most part owners now spend what they're prepared to lose. Which is probably more close to the real definition of achieving financial sustainability in football. If they decide to turn the tap off if that changes, then usually there's several suitors waiting in the wings due to how investable English football up and down the pyramid has become.

 

[shmmeee]

It's a lot harder for clubs to go completely bust nowadays. Fit and proper owners test, while incredibly basic, do block out a lot of the nutcases - if you want to see a classic case of why it works see the Chris Kirchner Derby County saga. Failed Derby County bidder Chris Kirchner jailed for fraud.

And for the most part owners now spend what they're prepared to lose. Which is probably more close to the real definition of achieving financial sustainability in football. If they decide to turn the tap off if that changes, then usually there's several suitors waiting in the wings due to how investable English football up and down the pyramid has become.

If there’s fans there’s a club basically. No PL or Champ club is disappearing because they signed one too many RBs.

 

[Lamps]

We got relegated and ITV digital went bust meaning our income dropped massively we were also mismanaged.

You're totally correct on the mismanaged bit.

The ITV digital bit came after we had overspent which made it a little worse. But we were already fooked by then.

 

[shmmeee]

You're totally correct on the mismanaged bit.

The ITV digital bit came after we had overspent which made it a little worse. But we were already fooked by then.

Did we overspend considering the ITV money and out recent relegation?

 

[TomRad85]

It comes back to the classic 'don't gamble what you can't afford to lose'. That number is wildly different from owner to owner, if you're at Wrexham or Birmingham it's essentially limitless, in our case King can perhaps justify millions but probably not tens of millions.

Birminghams hedge fund owners will want to see some return on their investment as some point and i don't think Ryan Reynolds is any more wealthy than Doug King tbf.

 

[Lamps]

Did we overspend considering the ITV money and out recent relegation?

We overspent while in the Prem. We enjoyed the very well paid players we were signing for millions with gates of about 12k and before Sky money got silly.

 

[shmmeee]

We overspent while in the Prem. We enjoyed the very well paid players we were signing for millions with gates of about 12k and before Sky money got silly.

So what was your alternative? Go down earlier?