clint van damme
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Bawtry predicting something is almost acast iron guarantee it won't happen!
Hope u got that tin hat on bawtry, i sense some flak coming ur way on the Vik comment.
Get the story right Nick it did have Worchester sauce in it.Funnily enough, I don't know any councillors and don't know anybody from SISU or the club. (I met Labovitch once along with a few other people on here to try to facilitate some fans asking questions, I switched off when he ordered a Tomato Juice and watched a football match over his shoulder).
There is no glass house or irony.
I think there is more to the "model" problem than first team players being able to be sold on at a higher fee.
My understanding was that a big chunk of the "model" was developing our own players to a point that they come in to the first team and develop further but are capable of holding down a place on merit, then we sell them to wash rinse repeat. Make money.
What i am seeing is a first team made up of players we have bought or bring in on loan (other peoples talent we develop) and some youngsters on the bench who get a few minutes every so often maybe because there is no one else.
its all well and good saying we need to build the club but isnt that done from bottom up not top down. But i suppose if they haven't invested in the 1st team why would i think they would elsewhere. The investment should have been a couple of years ago of course to reap rewards now
I know its more complicated than that, but cant help feeling the 1st team squad is 13 or 14 players we have bought or on loan or free and the rest are just there to make up the numbers because they are too young or not good enough. Why is other clubs talent good enough to loan to us and straight in the first team but ours doesn't seem to be used. Why haven't we got a core of capable youngsters with a couple stand outs (Tavares, Howley i guess are those) that provides competition and solid base to move forward (team wise but also financially)
Maybe i am seeing this all completely wrongly, i am sure there are others here who will have better knowledge of that process. Just feels like poor planning and not following any real model and hoping for the best to me
To be fair whilst I would love to see Wasp demise, if a collaboration under 1 owner were to take us forward I’d take it.Would go down badly with our fans but I suspect a more realistic option than anything else.
I think there is more to the "model" problem than first team players being able to be sold on at a higher fee.
My understanding was that a big chunk of the "model" was developing our own players to a point that they come in to the first team and develop further but are capable of holding down a place on merit, then we sell them to wash rinse repeat. Make money.
What i am seeing is a first team made up of players we have bought or bring in on loan (other peoples talent we develop) and some youngsters on the bench who get a few minutes every so often maybe because there is no one else.
its all well and good saying we need to build the club but isnt that done from bottom up not top down. But i suppose if they haven't invested in the 1st team why would i think they would elsewhere. The investment should have been a couple of years ago of course to reap rewards now
I know its more complicated than that, but cant help feeling the 1st team squad is 13 or 14 players we have bought or on loan or free and the rest are just there to make up the numbers because they are too young or not good enough (if you are good enough can you be too young CCFC usually dont break through till 20+ it seems to me).
Why is other clubs talent good enough to loan to us and straight in the first team but ours doesn't seem to be used. Why haven't we got a core of capable youngsters with a couple of stand outs (Tavares, Howley i guess are those) that provides competition and solid base to move forward (team wise but also financially)
Maybe i am seeing this all completely wrongly, i am sure there are others here who will have better knowledge of that process. Just feels like poor planning and not following any real model and hoping for the best to me
Sisu are allegedly a high risk investment portfolio worth a few billion - them perhaps
To be fair whilst I would love to see Wasp demise, if a collaboration under 1 owner were to take us forward I’d take it.
under the current circumstances re: stadium and owners -our ceiling is to be Rotherham. I suspect owning both entities would require Deep pockets and sporting ambition
I’m not saying we should be - I’m saying that’s our owner’s aspirationsWhy should we be Rotherham though? They’ve spent most of their history in the lower two leagues, their all time average gate is 7.5k compared with ours at more than twice that (17k)
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Income from attendance is a much lower percentage of overall income in the days of TV money and mega rich owners.Why should we be Rotherham though? They’ve spent most of their history in the lower two leagues, their all time average gate is 7.5k compared with ours at more than twice that (17k)
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Income from attendance is a much lower percentage of overall income in the days of TV money and mega rich owners.
History or fan perceptions of club size are irrelevant really.
Yes with last comment, you are likely to be called a bedwetter and putting everyone up for sale.Thanks for the update SBP
I normally support Boddy but agree with your comment regarding the timing of the club update on the offal and disingenuous to the supporters group discussion. Not great timing !
I really sense some loss of momentum and frustration behind the scenes. Going to be am interesting few weeks.
A couple of wins are needed to lift spirits and get COH fit and back in the team
Going to be a nervous 36 hours on any outgoings. I fear Gyokores will be gone tomorrow. Replacements lined up for him and Hyam i understand.
Me too and I still don’t knowWhat combination is it Pete? Just the Direct debit ones paid in instalments or a % of all of them? I'm genuinely interested to know how my ST money is paid to the club.
Preston had a wealthy owner, can't remember his name but he passed away last year. He was regularly issuing new shares to himself to help pay the club's wayHow many championship clubs have mega rich owners? Do Preston I have no idea?
You are wrong about the 17% budget increase by the way.
Into the playing budgetBy saying the club is putting an additional 17% into the club suggests almost a 5th extra investment into the playing squad.
We have signed one player - Palmer
Three loans - Panzo Doyle Adaramola
Exits are
Shipley, Pask, Jones and now Hyam
Loans out Maatsen and Clarke-Salter
He is including standard wage increases in contracts, extended contract wage values (purely done in the case of Hamer and O Hare to increase sale value) and the management team increases. Its classic spin to look good when it actually is just standard. The loans are cheaper and we have signed one player
Into the playing budget
Which is wages, so its lame - people have wage increases in every company. Its just a desperate attempt to say "look what we are doing" when actually its nothing.
By saying the club is putting an additional 17% into the club suggests almost a 5th extra investment into the playing squad.
We have signed one player - Palmer
Three loans - Panzo Doyle Adaramola
Exits are
Shipley, Pask, Jones and now Hyam
Loans out Maatsen and Clarke-Salter
He is including standard wage increases in contracts, extended contract wage values (purely done in the case of Hamer and O Hare to increase sale value) and the management team increases. Its classic spin to look good when it actually is just standard. The loans are cheaper and we have signed one player
It’s mentioned about the fact that academy players can’t bridge the gap to the first team as easily in this league, but have we done much work on developing our academy side? I’m sure there would be some 16-18 year olds released by Premier League clubs who could improve the quality of our setup. I know we signed Cashman and Lusala but can’t immediately think of any others.
How is it spin when that is literally what it says?
"The playing/football budget for the season has increased compared to last season, by 17% – driven by contractual uplifts to players and extended contracts for players and football staff."
Its being implied its a benefit - its another example of poor management at the top
Takes time doesn’t it and time we don’t have timeIt’s mentioned about the fact that academy players can’t bridge the gap to the first team as easily in this league, but have we done much work on developing our academy side? I’m sure there would be some 16-18 year olds released by Premier League clubs who could improve the quality of our setup. I know we signed Cashman and Lusala but can’t immediately think of any others.
I think you're reading into something that's not there. There is nothing implied, it's clearly stated unequivocally what it includes. If people choose not to read the statement that's up to them.
Don’t know whether it’s being described as a benefit it’s a fact that the playing budget currently is 17% higher than last yearIts being implied its a benefit - its another example of poor management at the top
Don’t know whether it’s being described as a benefit it’s a fact that the playing budget currently is 17% higher than last year
Takes time doesn’t it and time we don’t have time
Of course it is - Pete said in his summary player budget up 17% - no caveats. Its rubbish. If you have a business that has to honour wage increases thats got to be included in the budget planning process as a baseline. On that basis we will be weakening our squad every season as we cannot afford contractual obligations.
That’s fairBut thats the reality of every business as people get paid more every year. Businesses would (or should) factor in pay rises before any budget increase. Has Robins had 17% more money to transact deals this season?
It was hard for anyone to get a word in with one person going off on one. Passionate but completely missing the point regarding what the call was about. However maybe I’ve got it wrong and the time Is for us to give a history of the club, why we are so big, why we should sign players etc etc etcI see, I thought you were referring to the statement rather than Pete's summary of last night.
I can't speak for @Sky Blue Pete but I assume his post was just an outline summary for brevity & there will be more 'meat on the bones' in the actual minutes unless there were literally only 30 words stated all evening?
It was hard for anyone to get a word in with one person going off on one. Passionate but completely missing the point regarding what the call was about. However maybe I’ve got it wrong and the time Is for us to give a history of the club, why we are so big, why we should sign players etc etc etc
I really thought it was questions and follow up questions to the answers given
Maybe grendel and ksb are correct it’s pointless and what we need is regular club updates on questions received from fans through social media
I don’t know
I see, I thought you were referring to the statement rather than Pete's summary of last night.
I can't speak for @Sky Blue Pete but I assume his post was just an outline summary for brevity & there will be more 'meat on the bones' in the actual minutes unless there were literally only 30 words stated all evening?
It was hard for anyone to get a word in with one person going off on one. Passionate but completely missing the point regarding what the call was about. However maybe I’ve got it wrong and the time Is for us to give a history of the club, why we are so big, why we should sign players etc etc etc
I really thought it was questions and follow up questions to the answers given
Maybe grendel and ksb are correct it’s pointless and what we need is regular club updates on questions received from fans through social media
I don’t know
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