Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (6 Viewers)

[GIMOC]

I guarantee simms will not be in the prem in the next 2 years

unless we get promoted which I hope we do. No prem team will sign him based on current form

 

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[Gynnsthetonic]

I suppose I should be bullying NHS staff instead like you do? Obviously only certain NHS staff, that is. Prick.

What are you on about, you really are delusion

 

[Bigelvesy]

Simms is easily good enough. He's the embodiment of a confidence player. Once he nets a few he'll be fine. I really like him.

I actually dont think we have a bad squad at all. I think we have a lot of confidence players and I think the systems we’ve played throughout the start of this season has made them look awful.
There has been so shite performances from them too, but i dont think we’ve got a squad of duds.
id agree that this is the strongest all round squad we’ve ever had

 

[skybluecam]

surgery will be required. hell be out for 6 months. pelvis shattered

 

[GIMOC]

I see you haven’t jumped on the vivesh thread. wonder why?

 

[Bigelvesy]

Mmm. The nearly men tag is actually one I have used in the past since Man Utd.

Got to get ‘it’ done. Thing is MR had done that with us.

So maybe it’s a bit harsh given how we didn’t get over the line the last two times, but I get you.

Yeah i can see it from both sides.

i also wish somebody would challenge Doug on why if his singular vision is promotion, why he asked for a cup run, because it is as clear as day that that derailed our promotion challenge last year.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

No but there was an interview panel that recruited the coaches - wasn’t solely down to MR, that’s my point.
And he’s essentially saying he got himself the sack - I had no option but to make the decision - and the bit about ‘jolting’ the club was a bit odd.

I think if it was done purely as the initial statement said down to the form and points tally/ performances over prolonged period then it would probably be accepted, just feels like he’s tried to say too much about something else and it’s raised more questions.

Well, no that doesn’t work because if MR says he wants a candidate and the hierarchy says no, that’s undermining MR’s position.

The points tally argument would never have been enough on its own. Especially when the majority of the fan base believed it was the hierarchy that sacked AV and was responsible for the coaching structure. The narrative was that the hierarchy undermined MR hence the toxicity around the sacking.

If you’re going to sack a long serving, popular manager (and living legend), you better have a better reason than the last few games have been rubbish. Tonight’s revelations demonstrated a clear material change to MR‘a leadership of the team.

 

[Bigelvesy]

I see you haven’t jumped on the vivesh thread. wonder why?

Be honest though. Why did you post that about Sakamoto

 

[Sky Blue Goblin]

I see you haven’t jumped on the vivesh thread. wonder why?

How many fucking threads are there

 

[wingy]

Why would DK intentionally ruin the club he’s put a material amount of investment in? Of course MR is hugely respected. Doesn’t mean things haven’t changed in the last few months.

IDK but that's the appearance of it,or it was Robin's listening to that lot.
Give him enough rope etç or he just took it all and Doug played along!
Maybe he's got a bet running, like hedge funds often do?
Can't lose then can he and either walks into Ashley's hands or Ashley wants out of the CBS or flattens it,any more PR come out lately?

 

[pusbccfc]

I guarantee simms will not be in the prem in the next 2 years

unless we get promoted which I hope we do. No prem team will sign him based on current form

He'll be in the Prem with us in 2025

 

[GIMOC]

Be honest though. Why did you post that about Sakamoto

because that’s what I was told after the game

the fact the club kept it quiet for so long showed the magnitude of the injury and even in tats words. he felt lucky as he thought it was a lot worse than what materialised

people can jump down my throat all they want but the ones that do are the ones now saying how great king done tonight

king has been no different to me.
He aired things tonight that if I posted on here would get pelters for doing

pure hypocrisy by many on here

 

[GIMOC]

He'll be in the Prem with us in 2025

let’s hope

 

[mmttww]

It's all very odd and also all very unproffesional

I hear you, and that was my initial thought on the whole thing. Another point, though. Maybe he gets that he / we need the club, management and owner together like we were for that little bit.

Let's assume he sees that an issue and wants to do something about it. Other than what they tried to do tonight, leading with what he did, I'm not sure he has many other options. Had to try it.

Didn't get the vibe this was him trying to 'clear his name' and the forum was announced at the same time as the sacking. Not like he assumed it'd be chill, then saw the blowup and booked it.

We might have got more coherent answers on the 'they didn't want to be a no. 2' point if the hosting of it hadn't been so f*cking bad. Don't think he dodged any questions or sounded disingenuous.

 

[Incognitocov]

That’s probably the best explanation of what he was trying to get across, but I still think some of it doesn’t make sense and is contradictory, and it is all rather convenient.

washing his hands of any responsibility whatsoever.

He’s absolutely taken responsibility by firing MR. Rightly or wrongly.

Thing I don’t get, robins Loves the club loves the fans and most importantly loves his job, why risk it changing what got us this far, if he couldn’t work with viveash and he wanted viveash gone why not just bring in another assistant and not an army of inexperienced coaches, I get boateng, ex player fans loved,prob won’t get pelters if it went tits up( which it did) massive gamble that cost him his job ? Just seems a very strange choice

DK implied that MR was reluctant to bring in a high level, tactically astute Head Coach/Assistant. MR brought in the army. Because DK didn’t have faith in MR without Adi or someone similar alongside him, he fired him.

 

[Calista]

MR would still be manager if we were in the playoff places right now.

That's 3 wins. So take away a small number of individual mistakes and dodgy decisions, and flip a couple of results that could easily have gone either way. And suddenly Doug no longer sees his investment threatened by relegation, but is eyeing the riches of the Prem with Robins still in charge?

What a ridiculous way to look at a league as tight as this one and start making huge strategic calls!

IMHO King has made the same panicky misjudgement as a small number of people on here over the last couple of months. Ironically he may have put us more at risk now than we were last week.

Assuming he's telling it straight, he'd have been far better to stay calm, trust in Robins and find a way to resolve what should have been a fairly simple issue around bringing in more clout on the coaching side.

 

[Bigelvesy]

I hear you, and that was my initial thought on the whole thing. Another point, though. Maybe he gets that he / we need the club, management and owner together like we were for that little bit.

Let's assume he sees that an issue and wants to do something about it. Other than what they tried to do tonight, leading with what he did, I'm not sure he has many other options. Had to try it.

Didn't get the vibe this was him trying to 'clear his name' and the forum was announced at the same time as the sacking. Not like he assumed it'd be chill, then saw the blowup and booked it.

We might have got more coherent answers on the 'they didn't want to be a no. 2' point if the hosting of it hadn't been so f*cking bad. Don't think he dodged any questions or sounded disingenuous.

Agree with this. Said somewhere else that the format for tonight was completely wrong.

Truly think he was completely taken aback by the reaction, in fact i think he said he was, and ultimately was trying to set the record straight, be transparent and open and honest, but probably went a little too far.

Change what he actually said to;

“The performances and results towards the end of last season and the start of this season have not been good enough.
The manager had my complete support in both the hiring and firing of all members of the coaching staff. I backed him fully. However the structure that was put in place by him has not delivered the desired results and has led to discontent off the pitch and I was not prepared to risk the rest of the season languishing at the bottom of the table”

Then let Dean handle any questions relating to recruitment.

 

[nicksar]

He said many times we had 25 points

To be fair Pete he said if we only had 25 points by Christmas it would be a real problem. And on current average per game that's what we would have

 

[GIMOC]

To be fair Pete he said if we only had 25 points by Christmas it would be a real problem. And on current average per game that's what we would have

so what happens if we are on that total or less with the new manager?

 

[Bigelvesy]

That's 3 wins. So take away a small number of individual mistakes and dodgy decisions, and flip a couple of results that could easily have gone either way. And suddenly Doug no longer sees his investment threatened by relegation, but is eyeing the riches of the Prem with Robins still in charge?

What a ridiculous way to look at a league as tight as this one and start making huge strategic calls!

IMHO King has made the same panicky misjudgement as a small number of people on here over the last couple of months. Ironically he may have put us more at risk now than we were last week.

Assuming he's telling it straight, he'd have been far better to stay calm, trust in Robins and find a way to resolve what should have been a fairly simple issue around bringing in more clout on the coaching side.

Earlier this week id have agreed with your first two paragraphs here, but there is something about creating your own luck. And we have rarely looked like a confident, play off contending side. Performances alongside the luck we havent had, have been so bad.
I remember watching the stoke and bristol games and being completely astounded with how bad we looked. That was different for the Luton game but then immediately back to being god awful against derby in the next home game

 

[nicksar]

so what happens if we are on that total or less with the new manager?

Then obviously we are in a relegation fight.
Edit: He also mentioned that bringing a new head coach in now allowed for recruitment in January,he (when asked) said funds would be available.

 

[quinn1971]

He’s absolutely taken responsibility by firing MR. Rightly or wrongly.

DK implied that MR was reluctant to bring in a high level, tactically astute Head Coach/Assistant. MR brought in the army. Because DK didn’t have faith in MR without Adi or someone similar alongside him, he fired him.

That’s what I mean,he always had just viveash,why bring in a load of unproven coaches, sounds like king let robins do what he wanted it’s not as if king brought the coaches in, don’t get it

 

[wingy]

Definitely not, not a single person has even read that article, I’ve a pop up for Tesco, then a pop up for Aldi, another for something else and that’s just one line into the article, rinse and repeat the amount of pop up ads, no one has ever read that unless you are over 60 and still have it physically delivered to you.

Think I did and it was Adi pretty much saying he is and would never be a threat from memory!

 

[ccfc1234]

What for exactly?

Lets look at it from Marks perspective, before any legally binding settlement agreement has been signed. The other party (King) puts out a number of statements in the public domain about your troubled personal relationships and the circumstances leading to the demise of Adi. And then goes on to talk about your inability not to see your own shortcomings and professionally expose yourself by not appointing someone to help you after Adi left.

I am sure Marks lawyers would represent some of this as professional slander that could create reputational damage and therefore asking for more.

 

[The watchmaker]

That's 3 wins. So take away a small number of individual mistakes and dodgy decisions, and flip a couple of results that could easily have gone either way. And suddenly Doug no longer sees his investment threatened by relegation, but is eyeing the riches of the Prem with Robins still in charge?

What a ridiculous way to look at a league as tight as this one and start making huge strategic calls!

IMHO King has made the same panicky misjudgement as a small number of people on here over the last couple of months. Ironically he may have put us more at risk now than we were last week.

Assuming he's telling it straight, he'd have been far better to stay calm, trust in Robins and find a way to resolve what should have been a fairly simple issue around bringing in more clout on the coaching side.

He was quite keen to push the narrative that the absence of Adi had left Robins' lack of tactical nous exposed. There are certainly some games where I think you could make some kind of argument for that but a lot of the points we have dropped have been down to concedingtoo many goals through sloppy individual errors or worldies. Tbh I've probably been as concerned about us looking way off the fitness levels required - something he was very keen to praise.

 

[SBT]

The players and staff do travel on the same coach.

Double deck?

 

[mmttww]

So in summary Robins got the sack because he and Doug couldn’t find a first team coach? Have I missed something here because that’s what Doug seemed to be saying?

He said the results over a period of time left him worried about the future of the club and the squad. That he believes the squad is good enough to do better. That he backs the squad to do better.

 

[rob9872]

The players and staff do travel on the same coach.

Would have to be a bendy bus with the allegedly 84 coaches on the bench I keep reading about on here.

In fairness sometimes they do, other times all of the kit and stuff go separate.

 

[mmttww]

If you’re the coaches walking into training tomorrow when the owner has basically said you’re all shite, how do you command any level of respect.

I heard it as DK wanting to support them with a line manager or 'lead' for coaching as that's not what MR did. It was AV doing that. He was wanted to fill that gap. Don't see that as a bad thing.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

'no deal was ever presented to me' or 'nothing ever made it to my desk.' A barrister leaps on those because they are the kind of statements defendants make when they don't want to tell 'the whole truth.'

Correct, and this is also why the talk of people getting sued for libel is a bit preposterous. Unless King made a definitive statement which can categorically be proved to be false, which King knew was false, which is aimed at damaging Robins’ reputation (among other things), there’s no case there, and I can’t see Robins embarking on a massively costly, time consuming and likely futile attempt to get some kind of vindication.

King is a smart man, in my view he knows how to say something without actually saying something.

 

[The watchmaker]

So in summary Robins got the sack because he and Doug couldn’t find a first team coach? Have I missed something here because that’s what Doug seemed to be saying?

A question I would have liked to have heard (I did miss 5 minutes) was whether Doug ever discussed Robins moving into a director of football role to allow one of these excellent candidates that applied to be a no.2 but wanted to be a number 1 to be head coach. Was that asked?

 

[rob9872]

A question I would have liked to have heard (I did miss 5 minutes) was whether Doug ever discussed Robins moving into a director of football role to allow one of these excellent candidates that applied to be a no.2 but wanted to be a number 1 to be head coach. Was that asked?

Tbf whilst he was still there like a grim reaper over their shoulder at every sticky result, I'm not sure it could've worked for them or Robins. In principle a great idea, but in reality when someone has been successful it would've been difficult - especially seeing our reactions the past few days. If we didn't win every game 8-0 there'd be a clamour for him to retake the reins.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Bullying people again because they don't fit your narrative. Pathetic

Are you pissed up or something?

 

[rob9872]

Nothing wrong with being pissed now. If it was 10am then we might think there's a bit of an issue.

 

[The watchmaker]

Correct, and this is also why the talk of people getting sued for libel is a bit preposterous. Unless King made a definitive statement which can categorically be proved to be false, which King knew was false, which is aimed at damaging Robins’ reputation (among other things), there’s no case there, and I can’t see Robins embarking on a massively costly, time consuming and likely futile attempt to get some kind of vindication.

King is a smart man, in my view he knows how to say something without actually saying something.

The whole 'defamation' thing is (respectfully) being raised by people that don't really know what they are talking about. "He can't be lying or he would be sued for libel!" People lie all the time, that's why we have laws about it. Very rarely ends up in court. Given that he admitted that they are still negotiating a settlement package all this will be covered off and Robins would have to be really anal to take him to task even assuming it was not substantively true. I suspect the core of his major statements to be founded in truth. I have no doubt he put a positive shine on it.