Match Thread Supporter's Meeting with Doug King Match Thread (67 Viewers)

Deity · Nov 12, 2024

I think Rob G was poor last night.

He obviously practiced and executed a really good and emotional first question and Doug’s response totally flawed him. It didn’t suit the narrative he had told himself.

He then largely came across as a confused fan not a BBC reporter.

Rob saying he didn’t know whether to believe Doug or not was a big misstep and Clive stepped in to stop himself digging a bigger hole.

Ask the questions, challenge the answers if you have reasons to believe the responses are not true, but don’t be passive and then make comments like that.

Otis · Nov 12, 2024

torchomatic said:
Last night I think there were some truths, some half-truths, some embellishment and revisionism. Still, to be fair it's lanced the boil and the anger seems to have dissipated, so he succeded there. We just all need to move on and get the best head coach we can.

Yup, that's where I am.

What's done is done, I don't think trying to micro-analyse it and what King said, to within an inch of its life, helps at all

I did yesterday say I would like to see what Robins has to say on the matter, but I have changed my mind. I think it would be much better if he didn't speak out. It would just stir it all up again and create more doubts and bad feeling.

I hope Robins can move on and prove to be a success wherever he ends up

I think now we need to move on, focus on the new man at the helm and back him and the team as best we can.

MalcSB · Nov 12, 2024

GIMOC said:
Carr done the same press conference? So what does tell you?

why do you think he done it Saturday after the game in a game he didn’t play?

Why do you?

LDJ1984 · Nov 12, 2024

Morning all, took my time digesting last night’s events and two things don’t quite sit right for me.

If we’re moving to a more modern structure with a head coach and DoF surely the DoF role is the one we should be focussing on filling this role first? Then get a coach who aligns with the philosophy the DOF wants to implement considering the current squad? Guess not a certainty to be that way round or potentially preferential considering the amount of games we have but this feels more strategically coherent to me?

Secondly, how stupid were we to create a JD for Head of Coaching then be surprised that people apply wanting to be Head Coach of course none would want to be a number two!

Whilst not overly happy about treatment of MR the PPG statistic is damning and coming out the back of the back of this is sounds like at least King now has a clear path to implement strategy

No idea who we’ll end up with but I’m hoping “master tactician” should keep us well away from Lampard

Mcbean · Nov 12, 2024

Otis said:
Yup, that's where I am.

What's done is done, I don't think trying to micro-analyse it and what King said, to within an inch of its life, helps at all

I did yesterday say I would like to see what Robins has to say on the matter, but I have changed my mind. I think it would be much better if he didn't speak out. It would just stir it all up again and create more doubts and bad feeling.

I hope Robins can move on and prove to be a success wherever he ends up

I think now we need to move on, focus on the new man at the helm and back him and the team as best we can.

Exactly my thoughts - we are still CCFC fans , Robins still did a great job but we are where we are and need to look forward !

torchomatic · Nov 12, 2024

Otis said:
Yup, that's where I am.

What's done is done, I don't think trying to micro-analyse it and what King said, to within an inch of its life, helps at all

I did yesterday say I would like to see what Robins has to say on the matter, but I have changed my mind. I think it would be much better if he didn't speak out. It would just stir it all up again and create more doubts and bad feeling.

I hope Robins can move on and prove to be a success wherever he ends up

I think now we need to move on, focus on the new man at the helm and back him and the team as best we can.

TBH, Otis, I can't see Robins stating anything other than thanking the club and the supporters for a memorable seven years. I don't think he's the type to get into a slanging match with King. Wouldn't do him or the reputation of the Club any favours.

Still trust King as far as I could throw him, but we are where we are, so he needs to take advice from people who know football and get the best head coach we possibly can.

clint van damme · Nov 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
Perfectly plausible that Robins falls out with Viveash over whatever, comes to a crunch point later down the line where it’s back the players or Adi and he picks the players.

Whatever happened it sealed both their fates.
Still think it's been handled badly.

False9 · Nov 12, 2024

Has anyone psychanalysed Doug? Strongly exhibits the dark triad traits.

JSL · Nov 12, 2024

The truth will be evident if they ever work together again. Somehow I'm believing DK's version as it sounds so plausible

Skyblueweeman · Nov 12, 2024

rob9872 said:
I know, I've helped wheel the metal boxes info the stadium before and usually before the team bus arrives, but in fairness to the original poster, there have been times when more than one bus was used and that was even back in L1 so not a reflection of number of coaches on the bench etc.

That was Covid.

Every time I was a hotel for the teams arrival in the last 4 seasons, they've been on one coach.

Otis · Nov 12, 2024

torchomatic said:
TBH, Otis, I can't see Robins stating anything other than thanking the club and the supporters for a memorable seven years. I don't think he's the type to get into a slanging match with King. Wouldn't do him or the reputation of the Club any favours.

Still trust King as far as I could throw him, but we are where we are, so he needs to take advice from people who know football and get the best head coach we possibly can.

Yeah, I agree. I think Robins isn't the type to stir up trouble. I do think he will just stay schtum.

I eagerly await his autobiography in 10 years time though.

MalcSB · Nov 12, 2024

Otis said:
What?

No abuse from me. Just saying she's a doctor.

PhD, not medical.

Otis · Nov 12, 2024

MalcSB said:
PhD, not medical.

Yeah, I know. That was the joke though, the doctor bit and I would have said the same thing if it had been a bloke. It was nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being a doctor.

Calista · Nov 12, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
No…

The owner trusted the package of MR and AV to take us forward. MR terminated that and chose a new structure of coaches that didn’t seem to have the same quality for the players. The results have slumped and without quality coaches to support MR and the team, his position became untenable.

The results themselves could justify a change in management if we’re honest with ourselves.

I don't think you are contradicting me, other than to put it all on Robins as per King's narrative (whereas I have no idea who to blame for the failure to bring in another quality coach).
Didn't King say a couple of times that no proposed new appointment 'came across his desk' for approval, so basically the owner is saying he was just sitting there waiting as a helpless spectator while the issue dragged on?

TomRad85 · Nov 12, 2024

Otis said:
Yeah, I agree. I think Robins isn't the type to stir up trouble. I do think he will just stay schtum.

I eagerly await his autobiography in 10 years time though.

And Dougs clapback autobiography.
'Doug - A Kings Tale'

Sick Boy · Nov 12, 2024

ajsccfc said:
An early highlight was King opening with 10 minutes explaining his decision and it being immediately followed with WhatsApp audio of someone demanding King explain his decision

For some reason it reminded me of Phoenix Nights.

Otis · Nov 12, 2024

TomRad85 said:
And Dougs clapback autobiography.
'Doug - A Kings Tale'

Robins' might be "It's not me, it's you "

Jcap · Nov 12, 2024

Real missed opportunity to dig deeper on DL’s departure. Timing wise it’s around the time AV & MR supposedly fell out. Was this one of the factors in that? I find it hard to believe it was simply a newspaper interview.

clint van damme · Nov 12, 2024

Sick Boy said:
For some reason it reminded me of Phoenix Nights.

So are you saying Potter is the new manager?

TomRad85 · Nov 12, 2024

Sick Boy said:
For some reason it reminded me of Phoenix Nights.

Bang on that's actually tickled me as its so accurate.

Otis · Nov 12, 2024

clint van damme said:
So are you saying Potter is the new manager?

More likely to be Malfoy to be honest.

Or Longbottom.

OldBedrocker · Nov 12, 2024

shmmeee said:
His answers on transfer policy were shaky. I still believe he’s vetoing certain players.

Austin’s comment around loans was odd unless I misheard it he said there is a risk they come in and are better than your players then said something about Doyle.
Isn’t that the point of loans?

torchomatic · Nov 12, 2024

TomRad85 said:
And Dougs clapback autobiography.
'Doug - A Kings Tale'

How I Doug A Hole And Couldn't Get Out, the explosive New York Times best seller.

mmttww · Nov 12, 2024

clint van damme said:
So are you saying Potter is the new manager?

Jerry the Berry as his Assistant

BackRoomRummermill · Nov 12, 2024

Sick Boy said:
I think he’s more introverted than rude.

I agree - he is old fashioned also which is not a bad thing - but in modern sport of decks of players and elite coaches it may cause issues

MalcSB · Nov 12, 2024

Perennial Lurker said:
A very fair appraisal as always from you.
Like you I didn't like the whole tone tonight

Fair in that it aligns with your agenda

TomRad85 · Nov 12, 2024

torchomatic said:
How I Doug A Hole And Couldn't Get Out, the explosive New York Times best seller.

'Doug and the Dog' - Sprout King reveals all in shocking autobiography

djr8369 · Nov 12, 2024

Winny the Bish said:
It’s been suggested that Dempster and Delaney could go back to their old jobs, no? Or was that ITK guesswork?

I think you’re right. It’s funny, the ITKs have been saying pretty much the same as King said last night but blaming it on King rather than MR.

GIMOC · Nov 12, 2024

king contradicts himself many time throughout last night

Listening to it again this morning. On the 20 min part for me this was key

king stated the structure is their for a first team coach

he said he gave robins a chance to bring in an assistant but that didn’t materialise

We know full well who was coming in, everyone thought it was done deal. Shame we couldn’t ask who blocked that

robins time has been up for a while

austin seems far more involved than we thought too

CovValleyBoy · Nov 12, 2024

torchomatic said:
How I Doug A Hole And Couldn't Get Out, the explosive New York Times best seller.

I think some of out fans are looking for our owner to have the combined qualities of
Mother Teresa & Albert Einstein.

Telfer85 · Nov 12, 2024

OldBedrocker said:
Austin’s comment around loans was odd unless I misheard it he said there is a risk they come in and are better than your players the said something about Doyle

I think the point he was trying to make really badly was that you have to be selective with loans. You have to play them otherwise their clubs become unhappy your not developing them and they might as well be back with them or somewhere else. It can also sour the relationships with the clubs who may be more reluctant to send a player out to you next time if you’ve agreed to put that player in the 1st team.

I think the Wilson-esbrand thing was telling that MR really wanted him and then hardly played him as he didn’t think he was good enough. Man City prob not happy about that when he was playing champs league football that season previously. If your gonna sign them they have to be the right ones or there’s an understanding between the clubs that they may not be 1st team straight away but will challenge for a place ie in the Doyle example he gave who outperformed expectations.

That’s what I believe Austin was getting at but I agree he didn’t put it across very well.

djr8369 · Nov 12, 2024

AJB1983 said:
That’s probably the best explanation of what he was trying to get across, but I still think some of it doesn’t make sense and is contradictory, and it is all rather convenient.

washing his hands of any responsibility whatsoever.

Things will always seem slightly contradictory if you try and pick holes in it when someone has been speaking freely for an hour.

Torquay Sky Blue · Nov 12, 2024

clint van damme said:
So are you saying Potter is the new manager?

Please Sir

One for the teenagers

djr8369 · Nov 12, 2024

OldBedrocker said:
Austin’s comment around loans was odd unless I misheard it he said there is a risk they come in and are better than your players then said something about Doyle.
Isn’t that the point of loans?

Yeah but his point was they’ve attracted players based on being part of the team. If those players then don’t play because you favour a loan it upsets the players you own. Makes sense.

clint van damme · Nov 12, 2024

GIMOC said:
king contradicts himself many time throughout last night

Listening to it again this morning. On the 20 min part for me this was key

king stated the structure is their for a first team coach

he said he gave robins a chance to bring in an assistant but that didn’t materialise

We know full well who was coming in, everyone thought it was done deal. Shame we couldn’t ask who blocked that

robins time has been up for a while

austin seems far more involved than we thought too

Pretty much my reading of it.
Though I would say that whatever went on with Robins and Viveash gave King a major problem. One I don't think he handled well but I wonder how often he's been confronted with that type of situation?

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