This is the monster that modern day social media has created.Yep, it's a catch all term for anything not far right, see also 'Antifa' and 'Leftie'
This is the monster that modern day social media has created.
We are now filled with misinformation, misinterpretation and people latching on to stuff and just running with it, because of something they have seen on Facebook.
Millwall have been hi lighted but it also happened at other grounds, Colchester was one
Maybe time to rebrand the message? Some football fans aren’t the brightest and can only connect the act of taking the knee to the the BLM activity of the summer. Sadly that largely consisted largely of middle class white anarchists sucker punching people and smashing the place up
The players should have walked off and Derby been awarded a 3-0 win. I'd fully support the EFL doing the same to us if our fans did the same.
You really expect me to take that argument from Millwall fans, who’ve been bleating for years about how they shouldn’t all be judged by the actions of a violent minority?
There was a vote on CC Fans Forum a couple of months ago that went "Taking the knee - yes or no?". The responses were overwhelmingly "no" - probably 95% plus.
Many feel that the killing of a man by police in the US was never particularly relevant to the UK anyway, and many were disgusted by the scenes in the following weeks - statue toppling/flag burning etc. - and still are.
Millwall supporters are also likely to have a very different perspective from much of the country - black gangs and stabbings would be very much a feature of life in those parts of London. If you get mugged in London, you have a fairly good idea who your attacker will be. I really don't understand why this never gets a mention in the whole BLM discourse.
As for the trope that racism is a deep-seated "structural" problem in the UK, the UK has absorbed millions of immigrants since say 1960 and many of them are doing very nicely. They have the same opportunities as the rest of us, and in many cases are highly adept at making the most of these. Go to China - or India - or Africa and the middle east and proclaim your entitlement to education, a decent job and fair treatment and see how far you get.
I'm genuinely not trying to wind people up but am just attempting to provide some balance as it's always just the usual suspects on here blowing smoke up each others' arses.
Great result yesterday - long may it continue.
Can you mansplain this one away too?There was a vote on CC Fans Forum a couple of months ago that went "Taking the knee - yes or no?". The responses were overwhelmingly "no" - probably 95% plus.
Many feel that the killing of a man by police in the US was never particularly relevant to the UK anyway, and many were disgusted by the scenes in the following weeks - statue toppling/flag burning etc. - and still are.
Millwall supporters are also likely to have a very different perspective from much of the country - black gangs and stabbings would be very much a feature of life in those parts of London. If you get mugged in London, you have a fairly good idea who your attacker will be. I really don't understand why this never gets a mention in the whole BLM discourse.
As for the trope that racism is a deep-seated "structural" problem in the UK, the UK has absorbed millions of immigrants since say 1960 and many of them are doing very nicely. They have the same opportunities as the rest of us, and in many cases are highly adept at making the most of these. Go to China - or India - or Africa and the middle east and proclaim your entitlement to education, a decent job and fair treatment and see how far you get.
I'm genuinely not trying to wind people up but am just attempting to provide some balance as it's always just the usual suspects on here blowing smoke up each others' arses.
Great result yesterday - long may it continue.
no not really I’ve not heard any Millwall fans say that and I’m not really bothered about them. There is little that can be done to save them. BLM has attracted some unpleasant characters with equally unpleasant views. It has also been hijacked by anyone who isn’t that fond of non white people to spread untrue propaganda. Maybe a rebrand to EDN “end discrimination now” or something else may help.
may be a shit idea but people just chucking bile and the same old rhetoric at each other doesn’t seem to work either
no not really I’ve not heard any Millwall fans say that and I’m not really bothered about them. There is little that can be done to save them. BLM has attracted some unpleasant characters with equally unpleasant views. It has also been hijacked by anyone who isn’t that fond of non white people to spread untrue propaganda. Maybe a rebrand to EDN “end discrimination now” or something else may help.
may be a shit idea but people just chucking bile and the same old rhetoric at each other doesn’t seem to work either
“BLM” is the notion Black Lives Matter as much as white ones. I’d hope it’s a universal sentiment to “attracts” as many shitty people as there are shitty people. I’m willing to bet a rather large amount there’s far more shitty people on the side that doesn’t think Black Lives Matter as much as white ones. Yet that side is never allowed to be tarnished because of it? Why is that?
Get to fuck with your excuses. Black people matter.
Many feel that the killing of a man by police in the US was never particularly relevant to the UK anyway, and many were disgusted by the scenes in the following weeks - statue toppling/flag burning etc. - and still are.
Millwall supporters are also likely to have a very different perspective from much of the country - black gangs and stabbings would be very much a feature of life in those parts of London. If you get mugged in London, you have a fairly good idea who your attacker will be. I really don't understand why this never gets a mention in the whole BLM discourse.
Maybe he’s as uneducated in it as you. The two athletes from the 68 he referenced when talking about it wore black gloves, they also wore black socks and no shoes. Don’t think Lewis did that either.So why did Lewis Hamilton say he was doing one when he didn't wear a glove?
But don't talk to me like I'm on a par with those booing the whole movement today, because that's how it feels.
I don’t really think it’s been hijacked....it’s a leaderless mass movement that thousands of people have supported. If someone conveniently chooses to focus on the actions of a few violent pricks on the fringes, rather than the consistent actions of the peaceful majority then I have to wonder if they were ever really that into the anti-racist message in the first place. I’m sure they’d find something to moan about with the new message too.
ok let me clarify. The world isn’t perfect, people aren’t perfect. Let’s ignore Millwall for a moment they are a basket case. There are a lot of people who are anti the BLM movement. Are they right? No. Do I agree? No. However the world as I said is not perfect and sometimes to deal with those imperfections you have to bite your tongue and offer a less than perfect solution. Why are people anti BLM. Because a good deal aren’t the brightest and are educated by the media. The media sell by sensationalist reporting. Most of the summer the media portrayed BLM marches as riots. Vandalism, people being beaten half to death, police being attacked. So that’s what people have seen and then are confuse why their hero’s are getting down on their knees for it. Before everyone goes nuts let me confirm. I DO NOT AGREE. However it happens. We can all sit writing sweary posts that racism is bad, we all know that but we should also be able to discuss the real life issues that underpin the problem without fear of knee jerk assumptions.
So OK - you change the slogan, make the movement more polite, dial back the rhetoric even further. Even tamer than kneeling with a raised fist for five seconds! Maybe that will be enough for the white guys who are complaining.
What happens when someone takes issue with the next set of protests? (You know for a fact they will) Do you just keep retreating? Keep trying to find the magical compromise that keeps Daily Mail readers feeling safe but also miraculously transforms race relations in this country?
You have to accept that for some people, the only acceptable amount of anti-racism protesting is zero, or close to zero. If you want to take the level of protest down to that in order to keep those people happy, fine. But again, don’t be too surprised if it doesn’t change much.
Do you think they are racist at all?If footballers have the right to make political statements, then so do the fans. Right?
This was always going to happen. Millwall fans are scum in many ways, but they aren't booing because they hate black people.
you see this is what I’m talking about. I’ve suggested none of the above other than changing the slogan.
I lived in New Cross for a while, guess how many times I saw problems caused by 'black gangs' and guess how many problems I saw caused by Millwall fans.There was a vote on CC Fans Forum a couple of months ago that went "Taking the knee - yes or no?". The responses were overwhelmingly "no" - probably 95% plus.
Many feel that the killing of a man by police in the US was never particularly relevant to the UK anyway, and many were disgusted by the scenes in the following weeks - statue toppling/flag burning etc. - and still are.
Millwall supporters are also likely to have a very different perspective from much of the country - black gangs and stabbings would be very much a feature of life in those parts of London. If you get mugged in London, you have a fairly good idea who your attacker will be. I really don't understand why this never gets a mention in the whole BLM discourse.
As for the trope that racism is a deep-seated "structural" problem in the UK, the UK has absorbed millions of immigrants since say 1960 and many of them are doing very nicely. They have the same opportunities as the rest of us, and in many cases are highly adept at making the most of these. Go to China - or India - or Africa and the middle east and proclaim your entitlement to education, a decent job and fair treatment and see how far you get.
I'm genuinely not trying to wind people up but am just attempting to provide some balance as it's always just the usual suspects on here blowing smoke up each others' arses.
Great result yesterday - long may it continue.
So OK - you change the slogan, make the movement more polite, dial back the rhetoric even further. Even tamer than kneeling with a raised fist for five seconds! Maybe that will be enough for the white guys who are complaining.
What happens when someone takes issue with the next set of protests? (You know for a fact they will) Do you just keep retreating? Keep trying to find the magical compromise that keeps Daily Mail readers feeling safe but also miraculously transforms race relations in this country?
You have to accept that for some people, the only acceptable amount of anti-racism protesting is zero, or close to zero. If you want to take the level of protest down to that in order to keep those people happy, fine. But again, don’t be too surprised if it doesn’t change much.
If footballers have the right to make political statements, then so do the fans. Right?
This was always going to happen. Millwall fans are scum in many ways, but they aren't booing because they hate black people.
So you think just changing the slogan would persuade Millwall/Colchester fans not to boo next week?
If footballers have the right to make political statements, then so do the fans. Right?
This was always going to happen. Millwall fans are scum in many ways, but they aren't booing because they hate black people.
Catch up, we've literally been doing this for pages now, kneeling for equality for five seconds isn't a political statement.
I don't have a problem with fans making political statements, so long as the politics aren't hateful. What were the Millwall fans trying to say? I'm sure it was a sophisticated political critique as ever.
But the vote of maybe calling an end to the taking a knee, in no way excuses booing does it. I voted to say it should probably end and a new strategy be put in place, but still respect anyone's right to take the knee.There was a vote on CC Fans Forum a couple of months ago that went "Taking the knee - yes or no?". The responses were overwhelmingly "no" - probably 95% plus.
Many feel that the killing of a man by police in the US was never particularly relevant to the UK anyway, and many were disgusted by the scenes in the following weeks - statue toppling/flag burning etc. - and still are.
Millwall supporters are also likely to have a very different perspective from much of the country - black gangs and stabbings would be very much a feature of life in those parts of London. If you get mugged in London, you have a fairly good idea who your attacker will be. I really don't understand why this never gets a mention in the whole BLM discourse.
As for the trope that racism is a deep-seated "structural" problem in the UK, the UK has absorbed millions of immigrants since say 1960 and many of them are doing very nicely. They have the same opportunities as the rest of us, and in many cases are highly adept at making the most of these. Go to China - or India - or Africa and the middle east and proclaim your entitlement to education, a decent job and fair treatment and see how far you get.
I'm genuinely not trying to wind people up but am just attempting to provide some balance as it's always just the usual suspects on here blowing smoke up each others' arses.
Great result yesterday - long may it continue.
Really????If footballers have the right to make political statements, then so do the fans. Right?
This was always going to happen. Millwall fans are scum in many ways, but they aren't booing because they hate black people.
There has always been a problem with racsim at Millwall.Really????
Catch up, we've literally been doing this for pages now, kneeling for equality for five seconds isn't a political statement.
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