What are you talking about? We will have one of the biggest budgets in the league. Why just make stuff up...MR has very limited resources, lets not kid ourselves
What would have it been like without the Chechatrade money?All the people who are quick to chip in with wise cracks are obviously not looking at the big picture, it’s very fragile position so do not come back moaning if we don’t make the playoffs , he has the best resources in this league
Football fans are so fickle, ours in particular. A few bad results and everyone calls for the manager's head.
Robins has gone through about 3 cycles of messiah--->sack him immediately already this season.
He's doing fine and we couldn't get anyone better at this level.
Agreed. Considering the players we're missing we're doing very well.Yep. MR has done good. He’s had to overcome injuries in the squad and overcome the negativity of owners interested in anything other than what’s happening on field. It’s a miracle we are where we are let’s hope he can continue to pull the miracle of.
It shows that results make managers not performances.
Robins reliant on McNulty?!!!
At first I thought you were kidding but then I came to the conclusion that you weren't......why on earth would you want a manager working under pressure with the threat of the sack hanging over his head? When has that EVER worked for us? Don't you consider it would be far better if he were given two "free seasons" and was judged at the end of the third, with a licence to fail in the short-medium term provided that he delivered in the long term.I want him to do well and the pressure should be kept on him
At first I thought you were kidding but then I came to the conclusion that you weren't......why on earth would you want a manager working under pressure with the threat of the sack hanging over his head? When has that EVER worked for us? Don't you consider it would be far better if he were given two "free seasons" and was judged at the end of the third, with a licence to fail in the short-medium term provided that he delivered in the long term.
If we do miss the play-offs, don't tell me you want him out, please......
Look at any successful manager and this will back up my statement. Indeed let’s start at Alex Ferguson who was pressurised to the point he was told if he did not win away at Norwich he was gone by the then owners, who saved him .. oh and . yes Mark Robins with the last goal . Look at what he did .Pressure should be applied in any vocation to get the best you can . If your any good then you will achieve the goals that you have been set , fans of this club accept mediocre to easily. Yes the pressure should be on him to get the best for his team, I give him a B+ so far.
And guess who is straight to the front of the queue to make that point.........once again !The only evidence that I have seen about the size of the budget was Fisher’s statement about us having the eighth best budget in the division. As I have mentioned before, I am sure that Fisher would want to give the most positive picture he could, no reason for him to say eighth biggest when in fact we have the biggest budget or the second biggest say. On that basis Robin’s has over achieved for most of this season. It’s almost like some people have an agenda to put the owners in the most positive light, “look how well the manager has been supported.” In reality it is probably a case oh here is your budget, get on with it.
Firstly it was Forest not Norwich.
Second....Fergie was appointed in Nov 1986 and the game you mention was Jan 1990, so more than 3 years before things got close to the edge, the same 3 yeasrs i am saying MR should get.
Third.....why does success have to be immediate? You can build a nice looking shack in a few days but come a thunderstorm you won't have a roof. You need proper time to build solid foundations to ensure lasting sucess. We've been failing for years and it'll take years to turn things round but every time we weild the axe we just reset the 'turnaround' clock back to zero.
His resources are about 8th best in the league, straight from Fishers mouth from the fans forum, so he was given a budget that isn't even a promotion budget, it's one outside the play offs budget.Limited Resources compared to what? It's League 2, his resource will be up there still.
He hasn't got the hands tied excuse.
Do you have a link to the 8th best budget comment? Not doubting you, just haven't heard that one before.His resources are about 8th best in the league, straight from Fishers mouth from the fans forum, so he was given a budget that isn't even a promotion budget, it's one outside the play offs budget.
The only way he can bring in players is by getting rid too. He's signed 14 players this season, yet let go of 18 this season too, have we ever had a season where we've signed more than we've let go? The squad just get filled with youth, the cheapest way to supplement the numbers.
I'd say his hands are pretty tied, just like his predecessors, because our owners are scum.
4 out of 5 isn't it?We're 3rd in the league and have won 3 out of the last 4, and yet still we're debating whether the manager has got much of a shelf life....what have I missed?
Do you have a link to the 8th best budget comment? Not doubting you, just haven't heard that one before.
I remember him making a comment about our budget being mid range league 1, before we were relegated. Can't recall any comments about league 2 though.
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Ok mate no probs. Seems like we're punching above our weight then. Fair play.No link, I was at the fans forum, seems like Irish Sky Blue heard him say 8th best too. Pretty sure CJ on here live streamed the whole thing on this forum too so plenty would of heard Fisher say it.
Only us and Luton have taken 12 points from the last 5 games. Next best is Mansfield on 11. They are the biggest threat for the 3rd auto spot IMO.4 out of 5 isn't it?
Well I know truthfulness and Tim Fisher are odd bedfellows but why he would lie to make Sisu and himself look worse by underplaying their budget I don’t understand.We have a top 5 budget, there’s no doubt about that in my mind.
1) We have one of the biggest playing squads in the league, top 5 possibly top 3 size of squad easily.
2) Not relying on loans like a lot of the other big clubs like....Exeter and Notts C
3) We have also heard from opposing managers Steve Evans and Sarll (Stevenage) that Coventry blew them out the water with some targets.
4) A lot of of MR signings were from League 1, Doyle, McNulty, Davies, Obrian, Vincenti, McDonald, Andreu/Hyam/Grimmer - championship,
Biamou and Kelly (technically)only ones from Non league.
Most of the clubs at this level do business from lower leagues or rely on loans.
Agree. But as I said, why would he lie to make his own and Sisu’s position seem worse than it is?But Fisher is a lying bastard. Our budget could be much more or less than he said. We can't just take Fisher on his word if it suits our argument.
He made that comment when he came to the Q and A session set up by the Trust. It was before relegation was confirmed but he acknowledged we were going down and commented on the budget he expected Robins to have for this year.Do you have a link to the 8th best budget comment? Not doubting you, just haven't heard that one before.
I remember him making a comment about our budget being mid range league 1, before we were relegated. Can't recall any comments about league 2 though.
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Still makes me laugh when people think that because we sell more tickets than most in this league Robbins has all the resources he needs like a football club is run on the pitch alone. Some things the budget can’t buy. A decent chairman who doesn’t drain the club every time he opens his mouth, progressive owners who run the club with the clubs best interests at the forefront of everything. Somethings the budget has had to buy but probably shouldn’t have needed to like rebuilding the scouting system AGAIN, repairs to Ryton AGAIN. These are all things that the budget has to endure before you even start talking about the first team and how it performs. This is how teams with a smaller budget can over excel when we come up short. The difference between a good owner and a bad owner can level the playing field. Especially in this league, although Burnley are a good example of this in the premier league, they’d kill for training facilities like many clubs below them in the table have (although they have been investing their premier league money in this) or the playing budget of many of the teams that have come up both with them and since they were last promoted or indeed many clubs still in the league below them. They have that extra ingredient, an environment that creates success. We don’t and you have to compensate for that.
Yep. MR has done good. He’s had to overcome injuries in the squad and overcome the negativity of owners interested in anything other than what’s happening on field. It’s a miracle we are where we are let’s hope he can continue to pull the miracle of.
No chance his hands are tied, anything less than playoffs and he has failed with the squad he has.His resources are about 8th best in the league, straight from Fishers mouth from the fans forum, so he was given a budget that isn't even a promotion budget, it's one outside the play offs budget.
The only way he can bring in players is by getting rid too. He's signed 14 players this season, yet let go of 18 this season too, have we ever had a season where we've signed more than we've let go? The squad just get filled with youth, the cheapest way to supplement the numbers.
I'd say his hands are pretty tied, just like his predecessors, because our owners are scum.
Well I know truthfulness and Tim Fisher are odd bedfellows but why he would lie to make Sisu and himself look worse by underplaying their budget I don’t understand.
You have put a very positive spin on the players we have signed. Grimmer, Hyam and Andreu may have come from championship clubs but they weren’t playing in that league. Similarly all of the Portsmouth players had spent the season playing in the fourth division. Most of those players would have needed to take the step to this level in order to continue their careers.
We may have a big squad but there is a huge contingent of academy and home grown players who won’t be on huge wages.
Lastly I am sure managers like Evans are quite happy to deflect from their own teams under performance by pointing out the alleged massive budget that other managers have. Mansfield spent big (relatively speaking) in the summer, hence their billing among the promotion favourites with the bookies. Despite all of their outlay they have yet to trouble the top of the league. I am sure Evans is quite happy to point the finger of blame elsewhere.
The fact that Luton could splash 300k on Collins and that Robins couldn’t compete I think would give a truer picture of his budget. According to Robins at the Trust meeting, he paid no fee for any player in the summer.
Robins seems an honest bloke, I think I would sooner Trust what he says than to go on supposition.
You keep saying he paid no fee, there was no mention of that from anybody else and other clubs didn't get the memo as they think there was. Cj would have been on that like a tramp on chips.
Didn't Luton sell a couple of players to get the likes of Collins in?
Nah, we will believe Fisher over the obvious. If robins doesn't have a decent budget then him and widdrington are top negotiatiors aren't they?
We do have academy players, but again they are only really getting a run because of injury. It's a good job we have 4th and 5th choices.
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