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[dongonzalos]

So people are criticising Nick for what they do themselves. Well that is ironic. Perhaps we should just have an irony wheel that goes round in circles.

Yep Nick and Dave criticise the CET for spinning against the club. Dave takes a CET article that is clearly quite balanced and spins it based on one line to be an anti club article. Nick agrees with him and round the irony wheel spins.

 

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[dongonzalos]

If you look at the tweet that posted this story on Twitter - it says 'Expensive Pies and Tea at CCFC'

You know exactly what that is implying...

That when you go to watch CCFC you get ripped off when it comes to food and drink. I know what they are implying and agree.
The reasons why are then in the article when you read it.

 

[dongonzalos]

You said and I quote "any way to kick the club when they can" only they didn't kick the club.

They kicked Compass from what I read and highlighted that the club get jack shit out of the rip off.
Pretty much praised the club for ticket prices.
Pointed out that we are expensive for t shirts and matchday programs.

 

[dongonzalos]

agreed

they should have put....

#itsalldowntoWaspsandCompass.

Ridiculous but Dave will probably say yes to that.

 

[Nick]

They kicked Compass from what I read and highlighted that the club get jack shit out of the rip off.
Pretty much praised the club for ticket prices.
Pointed out that we are expensive for t shirts and matchday programs.

They aren't expensive for programmes, you still don't realise it.

 

[Nick]

Exactly right.
No more needs to be said really.

It isn't though as nobody has said it's their fault?

 

[Grendel]

They kicked Compass from what I read and highlighted that the club get jack shit out of the rip off.
Pretty much praised the club for ticket prices.
Pointed out that we are expensive for t shirts and matchday programs.

We aren't expensive for programmes - god you can't make it up.

 

[Grendel]

The club's a mess and going nowhere, oh well let's give a load of stick to people who complain about it, like the CT and the Trust, as if it is their fucking fault....

The biggest threat to ccfc is the presence of wasps in the City.

The CT are their press mouthpiece and rolled the red carpet out. The trust doffed their caps in collective admiration.

Neither strategy can be applauded and means some of the blame game sticks with them.

 

[clint van damme]

They kicked Compass from what I read and highlighted that the club get jack shit out of the rip off.
Pretty much praised the club for ticket prices.
Pointed out that we are expensive for t shirts and matchday programs.

you've pretty much just proved Nick and CDs point.

We're not expensive for match day programs but spin it right and that's what people will believe whether it's true or not.

 

[Grendel]

you've pretty much just proved Nick and CDs point.

We're not expensive for match day programs but spin it right and that's what people will believe whether it's true or not.

It's comedy gold from Dongle. He's hit a 30 yard screamer into his own net.

 

[Nick]

you've pretty much just proved Nick and CDs point.

We're not expensive for match day programs but spin it right and that's what people will believe whether it's true or not.

Exactly, that's what he took away from it.

I looked at the BBC and made my own mind up and saw even shirts are the same as a fair few teams.

The same as on another thread saying we were the most expensive for shirts

 

[martcov]

We aren't expensive for programmes - god you can't make it up.

Who buys a programme? I thought sales were going down and down. It's irrelevant either way.

 

[chiefdave]

This was my original comment:

Good one in there today. Every club in League One apart from Fleetwood charge £3 for a programme. In the CT article this becomes 'City also top the League One charts for the most expensive programmes'.

Wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it but it stood out to me. And you've just proved exactly the point you're arguing against with this:

Pointed out that we are expensive for t shirts and matchday programs.

Of the 24 teams in League 1 23, including us, charge £3 for a programme. Fleetwood are a bit of anomaly as they are pushing electronic programs which get sent to everyone on their database free of charge, its also a much smaller programme than others and partly written by fans contributing copy for free.

In League 2 there's only 2 teams that charge less than £3 and one team charges more. There's 15 conference sides who charge £3. Every team in the Championship and PL (except Southampton) charge either £3 or £3.50.

But as you and the CT say our programmes are expensive.

 

[chiefdave]

saw even shirts are the same as a fair few teams.

The difference between the most expensive L1 shirt and the cheapest is a fiver.

 

[_brian_]

Hi guys! Can't say I've read much of this thread or the article in the Telegraph, but I just needed to say* that this might be the straw that broke the camel's back!!! It's shocking that we charge so much for food and drink and to have the most expensive programme makes me literally** sick!

*Type
**Not actually literally, but more like when you say something makes you literally sick so as to highlight to others how shocking you find it!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Hi guys! Can't say I've read much of this thread or the article in the Telegraph, but I just needed to say* that this might be the straw that broke the camel's back!!! It's shocking that we charge so much for food and drink and to have the most expensive programme makes me literally** sick!

*Type
**Not actually literally, but more like when you say something makes you literally sick so as to highlight to others how shocking you find it!

brian, we've missed you.

LOL

 

[Astute]

Also Wasps prices were different because they did better negotiating, and the fact they own ACL was immaterial.

So it isn't easier to negotiate with yourself?

 

[dongonzalos]

This was my original comment:

Wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it but it stood out to me. And you've just proved exactly the point you're arguing against with this:

Of the 24 teams in League 1 23, including us, charge £3 for a programme. Fleetwood are a bit of anomaly as they are pushing electronic programs which get sent to everyone on their database free of charge, its also a much smaller programme than others and partly written by fans contributing copy for free.

In League 2 there's only 2 teams that charge less than £3 and one team charges more. There's 15 conference sides who charge £3. Every team in the Championship and PL (except Southampton) charge either £3 or £3.50.

But as you and the CT say our programmes are expensive.

I can't argue with they looked at the BBC tool and got it wrong.
However they were not spinning it to attack the club, otherwise why bother mentioning that the expensive catering is nothing to do with the club. Then go one step further pointing out that the club only get 15% of it.
Why point out that the likes of Southend are far more expensive in season tickets.
You see all that but highlight one line that they got wrong about matchday programs and posted it in a "CET spin" thread as another good example.
I hope you can see my point

 

[Monners]

The club's a mess and going nowhere, oh well let's give a load of stick to people who complain about it, like the CT and the Trust, as if it is their fucking fault....

I posted something similar a few weeks ago - this version is more succinct and to to the point though (better, to be succinct)

 

[Astute]

If you look at the tweet that posted this story on Twitter - it says 'Expensive Pies and Tea at CCFC'

You know exactly what that is implying...

That £6.50 is expensive for a cup of tea and a pie?

 

[dongonzalos]

They aren't expensive for programmes, you still don't realise it.

Of course I do and did right from the beginning. On the BBC tool that the CET were quoting they are down as expensive. As Dave pointed out they are the same as 95% of the league.
However Dave pointed this out as another good example of the CET spinning against the club. To which you agreed suggesting they are taking the chance to kick the club.
Totally ignoring most of the article which isn't kicking the club at all.
Then you have a pop at people saying they will only read the bit they want to read.
Which is exactly what you and Dave are doing

 

[dongonzalos]

you've pretty much just proved Nick and CDs point.

We're not expensive for match day programs but spin it right and that's what people will believe whether it's true or not.

i know we are not.
The spinning bit is highlighting the bit they got wrong. Which with the t shirts was the only negative bits directed towards the club.
The program which they got wrong and the t shirts.
The spinning is ignoring that they stick up for the club on food drinks and ticket prices

 

[skybluetony176]

They didn't complain about it though did they, until very recently.

Didn't they? No one started chanting SISU out when we were relegated from the championship? No one was complaining when we were took to Northampton on a whim? We've not had any marches or petitions until recently? I think you're very wrong on that score. This has been going on for years. Some good football might have papered over some cracks temporarily last season before reality came crashing back down but lets not pretend that no one has been complaining.

 

[dongonzalos]

It's comedy gold from Dongle. He's hit a 30 yard screamer into his own net.

Not really the comedy gold is that you think I wasn't aware of that. Even though it's clearly posted in the post I was picking Dave up for for spinning.
Never mind keep trying to defect if you want.

 

[clint van damme]

I posted something similar a few weeks ago - this version is more succinct and to to the point though (better, to be succinct)

so you think the way to put our owners under pressure is to spin articles about the price of pies and shirts to an ever dwindling readership who would happily believe anything the CET says about sisu?

 

[skybluetony176]

The biggest threat to ccfc is the presence of wasps in the City.

The CT are their press mouthpiece and rolled the red carpet out. The trust doffed their caps in collective admiration.

Neither strategy can be applauded and means some of the blame game sticks with them.

You really are deluded if you don't realise that the biggest threat to the club is it owners. No one else is franchising out all the revenue streams that are so important, selling of the training ground, continually trying to bluff a new ground story regardless of how much more ridiculous it gets with every new version of what they're doing. They aren't doing anything to better this club, to busy blaming everyone else while playing the victim. It would be like blaming Mercedes if JLR were in the shit. It's nonsense.

 

[Nick]

Of course I do and did right from the beginning. On the BBC tool that the CET were quoting they are down as expensive. As Dave pointed out they are the same as 95% of the league.
However Dave pointed this out as another good example of the CET spinning against the club. To which you agreed suggesting they are taking the chance to kick the club.
Totally ignoring most of the article which isn't kicking the club at all.
Then you have a pop at people saying they will only read the bit they want to read.
Which is exactly what you and Dave are doing

It is spinning it isn't it? It isn't correct.

They aren't expensive, they are the same as every team in the league bar 1 who do things differently.

I have read all of it, I have pointed out things that are incorrect and spin. You have also quoted them as expensive, when it isn't the case is it?

Have a look at the "away fans pay a quid less" article to whip up a storm, nothing mentioned about the car park fiascos though?

 

[Nick]

Didn't they? No one started chanting SISU out when we were relegated from the championship? No one was complaining when we were took to Northampton on a whim? We've not had any marches or petitions until recently? I think you're very wrong on that score. This has been going on for years. Some good football might have papered over some cracks temporarily last season before reality came crashing back down but lets not pretend that no one has been complaining.

Another point missed.

 

[dongonzalos]

It is spinning it isn't it? It isn't correct.

They aren't expensive, they are the same as every team in the league bar 1 who do things differently.

I have read all of it, I have pointed out things that are incorrect and spin. You have also quoted them as expensive, when it isn't the case is it?

Have a look at the "away fans pay a quid less" article to whip up a storm, nothing mentioned about the car park fiascos though?

It's spinning to suggest it's evidence of spinning against the club. When they got one line wrong, in an article that on the whole is supportive of the club. The BBC tool that they quoted has it wrong. So I would assume they just quoted that.
As oppose to thinking hey the BBC have screwed up here. However this is an opportunity to make the club look bad by quoting the wrong info.

 

[skybluetony176]

Another point missed.

Awww bless. You think Grendull was making a point. Don't you worry your cotton little socks about it.

 

[Nick]

Awww bless. You think Grendull was making a point. Don't you worry your cotton little socks about it.

No, it was Dutchman (the bloke you quoted in the post I quoted). Still, don't bother to read before trying to be funny.

 

[wingy]

TBF programmes are pretty much obsolete with all the other content around.
We know don't gamble any finance on income from them, which is sure to dwindle even further as crowds drop off.
Under the current regime I'd expect them to be extinct in a season or two.
The number crunchers at the printers might have a decision to make in the summer.
On cost the last time the went up must have been 5-6 yrs ago and I'm not sure that they weren't more expensive at some point, clearly the CT are wrong saying they're more expensive than elsewhere.

 

[Nick]

It's spinning to suggest it's evidence of spinning against the club. When they got one line wrong, in an article that on the whole is supportive of the club. The BBC tool that they quoted has it wrong. So I would assume they just quoted that.
As oppose to thinking hey the BBC have screwed up here. However this is an opportunity to make the club look bad by quoting the wrong info.

I looked at the BBC article and saw that the programmes were the same as every other club in League 1 bar Fleetwood.

It's hardly supportive of the club is it?

 

[Grendel]

Awww bless. You think Grendull was making a point. Don't you worry your cotton little socks about it.

It wasn't even my post he replied to you clueless idiot.

 

[skybluetony176]

No, it was Dutchman (the bloke you quoted in the post I quoted). Still, don't bother to read before trying to be funny.

Apologies. Point stands though. He stated that no one was complaining before. They clearly were. The CT petition isn't the first petition centred around SISU's ownership and their ability to run the club. The march recently organised is also the third march that I know of again centred around how the club is run. Then there was the legends game that was used as a protest. Then there's the countless organised protest's holding things up in the ground, there's the organised protest that happened at the Arsenal game, there's been protest's outside SISU HQ. People have been complaining, loudly and for a long time.