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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #71
chiefdave said:
Surely the primary tenant can protect themselves. Or are you saying SISU are so powerful they can force any groundshare agreement they desire?

If Millerchip is concerned he doesn't have to sell the lease. The sub lease holder certainly doesn't seem concerned.

The current clause allows it to be used for rugby. The amendment suggested by the council specifically excluded professional football.
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Agreed. But the goalposts (sic) may have moved since then. Especially if a developer becomes interested in the potential for multi use that does indeed include association football.
Even of non league vintage

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #72
tim07 said:
Agreed. But the goalposts (sic) may have moved since then. Especially if a developer becomes interested in the potential for multi use that does indeed include association football.
Even of non league vintage

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Why would the goal posts get moved?
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #73
chiefdave said:
Would Wasps be here had the council not sold ACL to them?
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Duh. A business transaction that benefitted all parties involved. WOW, that's hard to defend.

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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #74
Nick said:
When you answer my question about fans and their issues?
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Would that be the misled fans? Not sure any issues with the informed ones

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #75
tim07 said:
Duh. A business transaction that benefitted all parties involved. WOW, that's hard to defend.

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Are sports teams just business transactions now? Maybe it's different to when the council were giving it the stuff about moving ccfc?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #76
tim07 said:
Would that be the misled fans? Not sure any issues with the informed ones

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What would an informed one think?
 
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tim07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #77
Nick said:
Are sports teams just business transactions now? Maybe it's different to when the council were giving it the stuff about moving ccfc?
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Business transactions? The sale of ACL was definitely a business transaction. It manages a sporting venue.
Your point is what?

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #78
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Some people are paranoid, I've been accused on this forum of being Bob Latchford and an GMK user . Well for the record I've never been on GMK and I'm definitely not Bob Latchford.
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Tbf I think that was just a general insult.
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #79
Nick said:
Are sports teams just business transactions now? Maybe it's different to when the council were giving it the stuff about moving ccfc?
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Council giving stuff about moving CCFC..... doubt I'll be able to work out what this well chosen wording means.

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Nick

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #80
tim07 said:
Business transactions? The sale of ACL was definitely a business transaction. It manages a sporting venue.
Your point is what?

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Are wasps not a sports team being moved then?
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #81
Nick said:
Are wasps not a sports team being moved then?
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Dunno. Don't know anything about them or their history. I think they play in a kind of franchise league

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The Reverend Skyblue

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #82
Oh Tim you are making yourself look bloody stupid.
The council may have done this, this and that might have happened, and if you think the council didn't bring Wasps here you have had your head up Lucas's backside for the last two years.
Most sane Cov fans. BLAME SISU,HIGGS AND YES THE BLOODY COUNCIL, for where we are
 
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The Reverend Skyblue

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #83
Tim, where do you stand on the team we had in the 70's or 80's.
Who was your favourite player,
 
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The Reverend Skyblue

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #84
tim07 said:
Dunno. Don't know anything about them or their history. I think they play in a kind of franchise league

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Tim, Wasps are infact a sports team, also owned by a hedgefund
 
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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #85
chiefdave said:
Would Wasps be here had the council not sold ACL to them?
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True but also would Wasps be here if we hadn't have moved away?
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #86
30/10/2013

But let me be clear, the clock is ticking and time is moving on. I will not lead the Council into a state of paralysis around this issue. Difficult times call for difficult decisions. If this matter cannot be resolved by the turn of the year, then I and all of my colleagues on the Labour Group on Coventry City Council will look to put in place a process which ensures the best possible deal for the people of Coventry in relation to the Ricoh Arena.


Dec 2013
  • 15:48, 13 DEC 2013
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Negotiations with landowners 'continuing and genuine' chief executive Tim Fisher says under questioning from sceptical fans
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #87
letsallsingtogether said:
True but also would Wasps be here if we hadn't have moved away?
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Before we moved we didn't own the ground. Would there have been anything to stop the council selling it to Wasps then? After all when they did sell it we were not playing in Northampton.
 

Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #88
stupot07 said:
There is definitely something going on with the moderation of comments too. Any that seems to criticise any side other than sisu get deleted, its so obviously because they leave the replies in which usually contain abuse about them being a "sisufanboy' or 'sisu stooge'.

I've commented before with no problem but then weds/Thursday I tried to comments on 2 articles basically saying that between them all incl sisu, they're doing a great job of shafting the academy, the club and us fans. Nothing liabilous, nothing abusive. Got the green I on saying waiting to be moderated before publishing. They were never published, but lots of sisu scum, sisu out, etc, etc had been posted, moderated and published after mine had been rejected.

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I had exactly the same problem on Wednesday my quote mentioned that the CCC gave coventry taxpayers assets away for a knock down price of £14 million which was then revalued at £42 million by the Maltese hedge fund. That was was deleted by their moderators
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #89
The Reverend Skyblue said:
Oh Tim you are making yourself look bloody stupid.
The council may have done this, this and that might have happened, and if you think the council didn't bring Wasps here you have had your head up Lucas's backside for the last two years.
Most sane Cov fans. BLAME SISU,HIGGS AND YES THE BLOODY COUNCIL, for where we are
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Show me what evidence you have that Coventry City Council (or a member of their staff) made contact with Wasps (or any other 'sports team for that matter), to offer them the stadium.
No? Thought not.

NOW WHO'S AN ARSEHOLE?
tim07 said:
Dunno. Don't know anything about them or their history. I think they play in a kind of franchise league

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tim07

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #90
The Reverend Skyblue said:
Tim, where do you stand on the team we had in the 70's or 80's.
Who was your favourite player,
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No question. Tommy Hutchison

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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #91
chiefdave said:
Before we moved we didn't own the ground. Would there have been anything to stop the council selling it to Wasps then? After all when they did sell it we were not playing in Northampton.
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But would it have come to the attention of the Wasp that is my point.
Moving away let everyone know there was a stadium for the taking should they want it.
We had posters on here laughing that no one wanted the White Elephant well none of us are laughing now.
And honestly anyone who believes that Sisu wanted to buy it needs their heads checking.
We have the same issue now with the Academy Sisu don't want to fund it....
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #92
Wasps already knew about it didn't they?
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 11, 2016
  • #93
Nick said:
Wasps already knew about it didn't they?
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But what gave them the push to go for it.
Nick doesn't matter how you paint it Sisu made a complete Cluster Fuck of everything they have tried to do at City name one thing that has come good since they have been here just one......
I am struggling to think of anything.
They fucked up on buying the Ricoh there is no one else to blame.
They could have brought it before they started pissing everyone off, who knows they themselves may have got a really good deal.
They and They alone have put us in this situation.
Funny but no one wants to deal with the Club while Sisu are in charge no one what does that tell you does that suggest they are a nice company to deal with?
Or does no one trust them?
 
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armybike

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #94
letsallsingtogether said:
But what gave them the push to go for it.
Nick doesn't matter how you paint it Sisu made a complete Cluster Fuck of everything they have tried to do at City name one thing that has come good since they have been here just one......
I am struggling to think of anything.
They fucked up on buying the Ricoh there is no one else to blame.
They could have brought it before they started pissing everyone off, who knows they themselves may have got a really good deal.
They and They alone have put us in this situation.
Funny but no one wants to deal with the Club while Sisu are in charge no one what does that tell you does that suggest they are a nice company to deal with?
Or does no one trust them?
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I'm still bemused by the whole notion of a conspiracy around the demise of CCFC.

For me the simple fact remains - some talk business whilst others actually just crack on with it.

Let's look at the main players here -

CCC - Got their (don't you mean ours) money back.

Wasps - Own the Ricoh and about to build a training facility at Higgs (yes it will get through planning and not because of backhanders but because applications that fall within planning regs/laws have to be approved).

Higgs - sale of land/development of new Wasps training facility.

SISU - a lot of miffed shareholders - the constant fear of Tim Fisher ever speaking in public again.

CCFC - the possibility of nowhere to play plus no Academy.
 

djdoc1888

Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #95
Nick said:
If you look through old articles you can see "comment deleted" followed by "you are a sisu stooge"

I think somebody is playing the system somehow with the voting.

The other issue of course is that you can make endless accounts on there to comment
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Noticed that myself
 
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tim07

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #96
armybike said:
I'm still bemused by the whole notion of a conspiracy around the demise of CCFC.

For me the simple fact remains - some talk business whilst others actually just crack on with it.

Let's look at the main players here -

CCC - Got their (don't you mean ours) money back.

Wasps - Own the Ricoh and about to build a training facility at Higgs (yes it will get through planning and not because of backhanders but because applications that fall within planning regs/laws have to be approved).

Higgs - sale of land/development of new Wasps training facility.

SISU - a lot of miffed shareholders - the constant fear of Tim Fisher ever speaking in public again.

CCFC - the possibility of nowhere to play plus no Academy.
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Well, that about sums it up. Spot on.

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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #97
letsallsingtogether said:
True but also would Wasps be here if we hadn't have moved away?
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The minute we left it was open season on ACL.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #98
torchomatic said:
I was surprised when he said there wouldn't be a CT campaign to save the academy, etc. He said it was a "fan led " campaign and they were behind the Trust one. No posters, no truck driving around the city spreading the message. He also stated that the #bringcityhome campaign was "fan led" also all the blurb said "Telegraph Campaign".

Its bias is shocking.
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The bias is shocking! why? because they are going with the majority which goes against your views.
 
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letsallsingtogether

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #99
Nick said:
Why would the goal posts get moved?
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To put in Rugger Posts.......
Sorry couldn't help it
 
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italiahorse

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #100
chiefdave said:
Before we moved we didn't own the ground. Would there have been anything to stop the council selling it to Wasps then? After all when they did sell it we were not playing in Northampton.
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It was all but agreed well before we returned.
Sisu would have been aware of this and that's why we came back.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #101
letsallsingtogether said:
The bias is shocking! why? because they are going with the majority which goes against your views.
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It's nothing to do with majority? Shouldn't news papers go with the facts and the news?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #102
italiahorse said:
It was all but agreed well before we returned.
Sisu would have been aware of this and that's why we came back.
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Which makes every statement by the council and ACL in relation to the return even more duplicitous.

And yet you still back them....
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #103
letsallsingtogether said:
The bias is shocking! why? because they are going with the majority which goes against your views.
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Nothing to do with "views" or "sides", but facts isn't it?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #104
It's nothing more than a rag that is reduced to creating click-bait articles to drive revenue and pay their content writers (I wouldnt exactly call them journalists).
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 12, 2016
  • #105
Sick Boy said:
It's nothing more than a rag that is reduced to creating click-bait articles to drive revenue and pay their content writers (I wouldnt exactly call them journalists).
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Agreed - turner and Gilbert are the antithesis of journalism. Rather than hunt for news they report what they are told.

When the CET were exposed as suppressing news Gilbert didn't even have the balls to stand his ground - he just slinked off never to be seen again.

The fact that turner actually is behind Alan Poole in the pecking order in the sports department tells us all we need to know about that clueless oaf.
 
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